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Title: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on October 06, 2015, 05:13:25 PM
Anyone know of this title?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ2iH57Fs3M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ2iH57Fs3M)
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: mandru on October 06, 2015, 05:33:34 PM
Posted by UBI.  It says Feb/23/2106 is the European release date.

And if it's a romp through paleolithic times hand holding a tribe of troglodytes (read that as a huge pain in the butt escort mission) each with varying levels of competency count me out.  :-\\

I really hate escort missions.  ::)
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on October 06, 2015, 05:40:31 PM
I totally agree - was just interested because I had not even heard rumbles of this one. Seems that lots of games I never expected are being released - just saw another Assassin's Creed title as well.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on October 06, 2015, 06:06:24 PM
Ubi? ah, good, nothing I need to worry about. I'm not going to buy any of their crap ever again (I hope)  :-D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: fragger on October 06, 2015, 11:52:47 PM
I suppose it will be the usual procedure with an Ubi game - buy and install game, immediately download massive patch to complete installation, DL patches to fix known bugs, DL patches to fix other bugs, patch this, patch that... patch... patch... patch...
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2015, 02:14:03 AM
I will sit out thisone just as I did with FC 4 I think :-D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: mandru on October 07, 2015, 06:53:40 AM
The game site comments I've come across seem to be in agreement along the lines of "UBI off year between big releases" and "A one-off quick dump like Blood Dragon" and "Nothing to see here, move along."

It seems that the release announcement was bollixed up by lack of communication between UBI departments.  The team releasing the trailer may have jumped the gun and cut the legs out from under UBI's website development team who had put up a slowly revealing stick figure cave painting tease page.  The effect being the quick video reduced UBI's nearly static teaser web page to having the impact of a wet fire cracker fuse.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 07, 2015, 07:41:28 AM
Yeah I will wait to see on this one.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on October 07, 2015, 08:26:49 AM
I'm personally not that interested because I don't care for spears and arrows - never used them in FC3 and FC4 unless required to do so.

I get the feeling that the game publishers do market research on who purchases the games, and discover that the youngsters (who likely have unlimited purchase power) are not purchasing titles like FC2 and AC2.  Consequently, the publishers cater more to the run and gun mentality and change the subsequent releases of the series. All I know is that each subsequent iteration of a game is less interesting than the prior one.

As I play the few games I have decided to purchase, I've been mostly disappointed, and have not completed even a single play through.  For now, I'm anticipating FO4 and JC3, but am prepared to be disappointed.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2015, 11:12:25 AM
Agreed PZ, but I make an exception for GTA. That game keeps developing, keeps giving the best they have, and they don't expect you to keep paying and paying for every lousy bit of content you'd come across. They probably are one of the few developers who honour their PEGI rating and thus, the somewhat mature gamers ;)
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on October 07, 2015, 04:22:49 PM
yes, indeed :) plus the updates are often full-blown DLCs yet they don't charge you for them. :-X
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on October 08, 2015, 08:20:33 AM
Yes, indeed - that is one thing I appreciate about Rockstar  :-X
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: OWGKID on October 08, 2015, 08:35:48 AM
The GTA community is a little pissed off though. The DLCs often includes items which is quite expensive and people accuse R* for "scamming" since people have claimed they need to buy shark cards just to afford the new items. ???? Those people should spend their time grinding rather than complain :D :angel: On the other side, this means that R* can give people FREE DLC (the Shark Cards provides them with income) rather than splitting the player base with PAID DLC packs, since not everybody would buy/can afford a Season Pass or individual DLC  :)


Personally, I would spend some hours playing heists rather than complain about expensive items and R*'s Shark Card "scam"...
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on October 08, 2015, 08:41:41 AM
There is always someone pissed off - can't please everyone  :D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on October 08, 2015, 09:37:34 AM
those people complaining are people who don't want to spend time earning in-game money yet they want the stuff that is the most expensive. And then they complain that they'd have to buy in-game money. Why don't they add to it and complain that they had to pay for the game? Even blame the devs for having to buy expensive computers or consoles..

OK, they are just some mindless trolls, then. :-()
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on October 08, 2015, 10:38:16 AM
... or complain that it is sunny outside so they have no time for playing their current game - must be the suns fault
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on October 08, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
lol, indeed.

This shark cards thingy is quite something though... with all the time spent in the game, I did a bit of saving. I have now the ingame equivalent of 3 of the most expensive shark cards on my account, which would cost me roughly €225,-

:-D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on October 08, 2015, 12:02:09 PM
hehe, that means that I spent so much hard-earned in-game money on cars that if I had had to buy those shark cards to do that, I would have had to spend around 700€ worth of real money. LOL  :laugh:
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: fragger on October 08, 2015, 04:16:18 PM
Spend real money in order to buy non-existent products. Er, yeah... OK... ::)

What is it they say about fools and their money?
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on October 08, 2015, 04:23:19 PM
"A foole & his money,
be soone at debate:
which after with sorow,
repents him to late."


By Thomas Tusser in Five Hundreth Pointes of Good Husbandrie, 1573.

Does that answer your question?  :-()

Spoiler
..and yes, I knew it was just a rhetorical question. :-D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: OWGKID on October 09, 2015, 05:22:15 AM
Quote from: PZ on October 08, 2015, 10:38:16 AM
... or complain that it is sunny outside so they have no time for playing their current game - must be the suns fault

:laugh: :-D Or they simply DON'T want to put any effort into the game  ::)


I hope Far Cry Primal will take advantage of DX12 as there are some games designed for this API right now (Deus EX: Mankind Divided and Star Wars: Battlefront) and DirectX 12 will boost GPU performance and multithreading performance  ;)  ^-^
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on October 09, 2015, 06:27:01 AM
You need win 10 for that, right?
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 09, 2015, 07:38:36 AM
Yeah Win10 required for DX12.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on October 09, 2015, 01:51:36 PM
I might wait for win12 in order to get a proper dx10 performance.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on October 09, 2015, 05:44:50 PM
 :-D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: OWGKID on October 10, 2015, 02:50:41 AM
 :laugh: :-X
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on October 12, 2015, 03:16:23 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: fragger on February 21, 2016, 05:19:35 AM
Here's some gameplay footage. As suspected - looks like FC4 only with clubs, spears and arrows. There's still outposts to liberate, and even a grapple hook, for heaven's sake. About the only real innovation that I can see in this clip is the ability to tame some animals and w@&k with them, instead of always being mauled by them.

But if this clip is anything to go by, the game looks pretty dull to me.

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIC4FiMc7gI#)
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on February 21, 2016, 05:53:42 AM
pretty dull indeed. A bit too primitive for my taste.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on February 21, 2016, 10:28:22 AM
kind of primal, really.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: fragger on February 22, 2016, 09:43:21 PM
Very :laugh:

"Me Gronk, me got big club, me kill!"
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on February 23, 2016, 10:19:03 AM
Mmmh? Urgh? GRONF! :-D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on February 24, 2016, 08:43:04 AM
I just received notification that Primal is out - yay!  .... not
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on February 24, 2016, 04:42:57 PM
it's out now? I think that's what they call prime time.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: OWGKID on February 25, 2016, 01:30:20 AM
On the consoles, it is out. PC version will come on March 1st.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on February 25, 2016, 03:24:21 AM
so, primal on consoles, second on PC.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on February 25, 2016, 08:49:19 AM
Let's get off topic a bit; ever heard of the band Primal Scream?

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf73xqZvk6k#)
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on February 25, 2016, 08:52:31 AM
Oh man, they are better than I thought...

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWUC2-ypnDQ#)


    !!!! This is one of the songs on Radio X in GTA San Andreas :-D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: JRD on February 26, 2016, 03:48:23 AM
Great songs Binn... brought back my teenage self.  :-X 8) >:D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: fragger on February 26, 2016, 10:11:34 PM
Far Cry Primal is actually getting pretty good reviews (although I generally take reviews with a small rock of salt). The general agreed-upon downsides seem to be that the game is a lot of fun for a while but then starts to get repetitive, and that there is little in the way of characterization - no memorable arch-villains like Vaas or Pagan. Also, it's still "very much a Far Cry game" - make of that what you will. No doubt the usual minimap and map functionality, hunting and crafting, liberating outposts, doing side quests, and getting pounced on by various wild animals. I'm willing to bet that last one will happen a lot in this game. Until you learn to tame animals, you can probably expect to become a chew-toy for proto-wolves, a scratching-post for sabre-tooths and a frisbee for mammoths. Apparently you can ward them off with a flaming club or spear if you have the skill, but it still sounds like it will be a case of "someone give me a Buzzsaw for gawd's sake" for me.

Biggest plusses appear to be that the innovation of animal taming is well-handled (which you initially learn by rescuing a shaman and subsequently undergoing the now obligatory drug-induced vision trip, but to me it sounds like just another thing that could quickly get old), the quality of the graphics and the way the landscape is presented. The combat model also got a lot of thumbs-up, despite its inherently primitive nature. There are no vehicles of course, although you can learn to ride a variety of large animals like mammoths, bears and sabre-tooth cats, which you can also order to attack enemies on their own. You have your clubs and spears and arrows which can all be upgraded and many can have fire applied to them, and there is even a species of prehistoric hand grenade (a bag full of stinging wasps) and some kind of loco-bomb (a thrown wad of noxious muck that will somehow induce your enemies to attack one another) but of course no firearms. You don't have a camera to tag enemies with, but you can fly your pet owl around to perform this function, and you can also make him attack from the air once you have acquired the appropriate skill (this time you get to direct the business end of the bird >:D)

Your overall objective is to reunite your fragmented tribe in the face of stiff resistance form two other hostile tribes. You have settlements which grow as you rescue more of your people (as well as a few other key characters, who teach you other stuff) which will attract other scattered members of your tribe to return. As you settlement grows, you will benefit from additional supplies, skills and options which become available with increasing tribe numbers (I think I've got that right - something along those lines anyway). Ultimately you'll have to face off against the leaders of the opposing tribes in some kind of boss battle with them, and from what I can gather, victory will be fairly dependent on how good a beast-master you've become in the meantime.

I might have a go at it one day as some aspects of it do sound interesting - maybe when it hits the bargain bins. Doesn't sound like the sort of thing I'd want to spend a big dollop of dough on though.

I can't say for sure, but I'm willing to bet that Ubisoft will employ its usual practice of barring you from half the map until you reach the required point in the story. They've done that with every Far Cry title after the original (which wasn't open-world) so I don't see any reason to believe they've abandoned that silly, outdated practice.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on February 27, 2016, 09:23:46 AM
The only thing that gives me any hope that Primal is any good is the recent AC release, which is a breath of fresh air for me. I still do not like the bows and arrows primitive period, and the fact that Ubi follows the same game plan of "map reveal" I must admit has me angered me a bit against this title (and any Ubi game). I have not played AC Syndicate  enough to make a determination about the map reveal thing but so far it is encouraging.  I guess I will wait and see because there are so many games that I have on my list that this title is not on it ... yet
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on February 27, 2016, 09:49:52 AM
Sometimes it seems you play the games more in your head than in actual gameplay :-D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on February 27, 2016, 10:51:07 AM
 :-() You're correct, BinnZ

I would love to play more, but life gets in the way
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on February 27, 2016, 11:44:41 AM
soon, PZ, soon..  :-()
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on February 28, 2016, 10:03:01 AM
 ^-^ :-X
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: OWGKID on March 01, 2016, 10:57:10 AM
TotalBiscuit got an early look at Primal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVp0x_eaMVs). He isn't impressed by this game  ::)
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on March 01, 2016, 11:23:11 AM
I think he said it best: "the game is all about hunting, and gathering for crafting - pointless busy w@&k"
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on March 01, 2016, 03:03:32 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: fragger on March 01, 2016, 05:35:30 PM
"Day 1 patch". Surprise surprise, who would have thought?

Entertaining enough review from TB, to an extent. I didn't watch all of it as I actually started to get a bit annoyed. I'll elaborate, but let's just say that I don't particularly care what TB says.

For starters, I didn't agree with his comments about the game's period setting being used as an excuse for a lack of weapons. Well, hello, it's called primal for a reason - the game is set in 10,000 BC. What other weapons could there possibly be apart from clubs, spears and arrows? As it is, what weapons there are can be upgraded, and even that's a bit of a stretch. I thought that bit of criticism was harsh on TB's part. If you don't want to fight like a caveman, stay in the modern era and play a gun game.

TB's reviews can be fun, but there are times when I think he's a bit full of himself - like when he says things like "My opinion on (this or that) should be abundantly clear by now". Well, I'd be sorry to tell TB that I don't sit glued to my PC with bated breath eagerly anticipating his next game review. This is only the third TB clip I've ever looked at so I wouldn't know his opinions from a bar of soap. To assume that anybody watching that clip is already completely familiar with all his opinions and pronouncements on everything smacks of arrogance, and that sort of attitude grates on me. I've said similar things online myself - but only here at OWG, where I'm connecting with a few good friends who I believe have come to know me well enough to actually be familiar with some of my opinions on some things, e.g. I feel safe in assuming that most members here would know about my love of strategy games. I wouldn't be so brash as to assume that everybody on the net is already so enamoured with me that they are all familiar with my opinions and takes on everything. TB is probably an OK guy but I feel that when he phrases his comments he should proceed from an assumption that whoever he is addressing is seeing one of his clips for the first time (because somebody probably is), and phrase his comments accordingly - not merely assume that the world looks up to him as some kind of gaming guru and is au fait with his colours.

He likes to complain a lot and he overly belabours the point. Yeah, we get it, there's a lot of hunting and gathering in the game - we don't need to hear how many different ways he can rephrase the claim. Without the needless reiterating the clip would only be about one third the length that it is. There always seems to be a great deal more complaining than applauding in his critiques (though to be fair I've only seen three, including this one). I'm finding him to be a long-winded blowhard and I think he's just a tad too keen on the sound of his own voice.

I started getting annoyed with that clip when he jumped into a river and got attacked by a crocodile, then he bitched about it and said "Alligators probably weren't even real in this time!" Firstly, I saw that CROCODILE before he even jumped into the river when he was using whatever that enhanced vision thing was, so it was a bit rude of him to lose his temper about getting attacked by it when he clearly wasn't paying enough attention (too busy bitching while blindly running around), and secondly, crocodiles are one of the most primeval forms of life on the planet (can be traced back to about 100,000,000 years) so yeah, TB, they were in fact "real in that time". He was effectively blaming the game for his own carelessness and ignorance at that point, which didn't do a lot for his credibility as a serious game reviewer in my book.

So I don't really give a stuff about what TB says. He's an amateur critic, not a "professional", if there is such a thing. I don't give self-styled critics much credence at all, be the focus of their critiquing games, music, movies, books, or anything else. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if you want to put your opinion out there in the public domain, fine, but show a little humility and at least try to balance it with some objectivity. TB did do that a couple of times, but it was grudging and it sounded like it was getting in the way of his first great passion - whinging. Maybe I'm being harsh now, but these are the impressions I get.

I'd still like to check the game out sometime, but I'm not prepared to pay top-dollar for it. I'm a bit put off by what TB said about performance issues too, dunno whether the day 1 patch did anything about that (there will no doubt be more patches to come anyway - it's Ubisoft). TB didn't say anything about whether half the map is initially off-limits (unless he mentioned it after I stopped watching) but seeing as how everything else looked to be FC-standard, I'd say it would be.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on March 01, 2016, 05:49:55 PM
 :laugh: I only read PZ's quote of TB. That was enough for me to like that line. I didn't even watch the clip because I only watched about 1.5 of his other reviews and back then he already got on my nerves. :laugh: Just one of those self-inflated YT gurus.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: nexor on March 01, 2016, 10:26:49 PM
Watching the clip I think I will agree with one comment he made, calling the game a giant farm simulator   :D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: OWGKID on March 02, 2016, 03:34:26 AM
Yeah and that system has been done in two games already...  :D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on March 02, 2016, 08:10:25 AM
Well, something behind the scenes (their business model) stinks to me, and I hope it will  be a flop so Ubi will be forced to do the right thing rather than simply pump out as many versions of the same game as they can.  Although, I'm probably beating a dead mastodon here.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on March 02, 2016, 08:29:54 AM
 :-D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on March 02, 2016, 08:41:22 AM
After what fragger said, I have no need or desire to watch a Total Biscuit video, I had never heard of him before, and I think now I'll just avoid him in the future. I see one of the people who I do watch videos from, just a player, not a "critic" is doing a play through, so I'll watch his, and form my own opinion of the game.

I still doubt very much that I will be getting it though.

And as far as "things didn't exist back then" like crocodiles, as fragger mentioned, they've been around in some form or another for almost as long as life has existed on this planet. For everything else, the world of 12,000 years  ago wasn't really all that much different, as far as animals and such, than it is now. Aside from mammoths and some other large animals that have since gone extinct, if you found yourself there all of a sudden, you might not notice the difference, aside from the lack of human activity.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: OWGKID on March 02, 2016, 11:26:14 AM
Are you kidding me? Ubisoft is this lazy (http://www.gamepressure.com/e.asp?ID=563)?! ??? ????
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on March 02, 2016, 11:42:20 AM
Evidently they are trying to do the same thing as some US car manufacturers, for example the:

Chevrolet Tahoe (http://www.gmfleet.com/chevrolet/tahoe-full-size-suv.html#galleryitem01)

and the:

GMC Yukon (http://www.gmfleet.com/gmc/yukon-full-size-suv.html#galleryitem02)

Both essentially the same vehicle, produced by the same parent corporation.  The only difference is that Chevy and GMC aren't trying to sell both to the same customer and call it different like Ubi is.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: OWGKID on March 02, 2016, 11:23:12 PM
 :-D
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: fragger on March 03, 2016, 07:34:12 AM
That map thing, bloody hell ??? No wonder Ubi was able to push Primal out the door with such relative quickness ::)

Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on March 02, 2016, 08:41:22 AM
...the world of 12,000 years  ago wasn't really all that much different, as far as animals and such, than it is now. Aside from mammoths and some other large animals that have since gone extinct, if you found yourself there all of a sudden, you might not notice the difference, aside from the lack of human activity.

Absolutely. 10,000 years seems a long time, but on a historical scale it's nothing much, and on a geological/evolutionary scale, it's a blink. And now you've done it D_B, you went and got me started...

It's entirely possible that you may find a great deal of civilization before that time. There is a relatively new school of thought, championed by "archeo-astronomers" like Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval, which posits there having been civilizations in existence, and of quite advanced natures, prior to 11,000 BC but which were devastated in some kind of world-wide catastrophe which has passed into the world's common store of folklore as "The Flood" or "The Deluge" - possibly the result of a planet-wide shift in the Earth's crust. The solid crust is exceedingly thin compared to the thickness of Earth, comparable to the skin of an apple compared to the apple's thickness, and this crust is basically floating on liquid, molten rock over a thousand miles deep, so I believe that such an idea is not tremendously outside the realm of possibility. A couple of potential triggering factors may have been a polarity shift in Earth's electromagnetic field, or an accumulation of too much ice at one of the poles causing a decentralization of the crust's stability in relation to the rotating Earth and causing it to shift to find a new equilibrium.

The Flood legend is a world-wide folkloric phenomenon. It doesn't just pop up in the Bible, it's in the mythology of every culture of sufficient antiquity (over 270 localized Flood legends are known to exist around the world, from cultures as diverse as Eskimos and Australian Aborigines) and a slippage of Earth's crust would indeed result in the effects reported in said mythologies: unimaginably devastating seismic and climactic upheavals, but especially flooding by tsunamis on a colossal scale. It would also leave a very lasting impression on humanity's collective psyche and racial memory. Hancock and Bauval go on to point out that this would explain why so many of the earliest civilizations that we know of appeared so abruptly and so closely together in time, with little or no apparent transitional or preceding developmental phases - they were not newly emerging cultures, they were re-emerging from a world-wide disaster and still with their knowledge mostly intact. It also explains why so many of them had so much in common. For instance (and there are numerous examples of this kind if thing in the world) a script was used on Easter Island which is an almost exact match for one used in the Indus Valley, two locations so far apart that they are almost diametrically opposite each other on the planet. The two scripts are way too much alike for coincidence, both are tens of thousands of years old, and they are about the oldest known forms of writing of any sort (the Indus Valley script dates back to between 1,900 to 3,500 BC, as far as can be determined. Note that this doesn't indicate when the script originated, only when it was most commonly used - nobody knows how far back in time its origin may be). Either the scripts originated from a common source, or it traveled with people from one location to the other. Either way, it makes a mockery of the idea of humans being primitive "cavemen" types living in small scattered groups in Stone Age isolation thousands of years BC.

http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/easterislandindusvalley.htm (http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/easterislandindusvalley.htm)

Note that one of the characters in the linked-to page is a "swastika" - that's how old that particular symbol really is. It is not, as is commonly thought, strictly a "Nazi symbol", although they did use a tilted version of it. Millennia earlier it had found its way into Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism via Sanskrit, where it generally represented "auspiciousness".

Hancock and Bauval at often at loggerheads with orthodox academia for daring to question the "established wisdom". The problem is that the established wisdom in these areas of study is often nothing of the sort. There are small mountains of contradictory evidence which all too often gets swept under the rug or tossed into the "too hard" basket when it doesn't fit the established theory, stuff that indicates advanced knowledge of things that we have only rediscovered, or can match, in modern times - the Piri Reis maps, Dogon knowledge of the existence of the dwarf star Sirius B, parts of a millennia-old aluminum belt found in an ancient Chinese grave, a 3,000 year old steel dagger found in an Egyptian tomb, the advanced astronomical knowledge inherent in the layout of Stonehenge, the rustless Iron Pillar of Delhi, parts of ancient electric batteries found in a Baghdad museum, the Antikythera Mechanism, etc, etc, etc, not to mention all the megalithic buildings, architecture and statuary that we can't reproduce today without some pretty advanced, heavy-duty machinery (if at all - we still have absolutely no idea how the walls of Saksaywaman were built, and I'm inclined think that if people long ago could do something we can't, it might just mean they were cleverer than we are). This is just a tiny sampling - so much has been swept under the rug that the rug is now only about a foot from the ceiling. And that's just the physical stuff - there are even more hillocks of writings, documents, accounts, parchments, scrolls, tablets, stelae, stories, legends and myths that appear to be less like fanciful musings and more like embellished or distorted memories of things that once existed, like the "Vimanas" mentioned throughout Sanskrit epics such as the Mahabharata, to name just one example. To just blindly ignore all this stuff is to quite simply practice bad science. But there are reputations, egos, and grant money involved, plus the prospect of having to rewrite an awful lot of books and papers if the evidentiary trail of anomalies were to lead to a confronting new truth is not one that academia would relish, so.

Food for thought, at least. Here's a few book recommendations along these lines:

Fingerprints Of The Gods - Graham Hancock
The Orion Mystery - Robert Bauval
The Message Of The Sphinx - Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on March 03, 2016, 07:38:49 AM
Ever since FC3 was released, pUkesoft is selling DLC as new games. This is just another proof. They really focus on the 12 year old gaming population ONLY. After last year's 12 year olds got bored of FC4, they release it again in a new suit, for this year's 12 year olds. Poor parents.  :angry-new:
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: OWGKID on March 03, 2016, 10:53:37 AM
I guess the designers thought that recycling and editing the FC4 map would be enough for the game. From a technical standpoint it would make sense due to short development span (I guess the Montreal team had enough time between FC2 and 3 to rewrite the entire engine and design the game).

Same thing can be said for other franchises as well, CoD has become infamous for "recycling" over the years which culminated in CoD: Ghosts. Black Ops 3 does reuse elements to BO2 and introduced something new, like a new movement system and the Black Market case drops. Weapons are somewhat statistically similar to Black Ops II and they are pretty well balanced (thank God that Treyarch fixed the engine so physics are frame rate independent). But still, the game doesn't innovate that much, the Create-a-Class system hasn't changed much from CoD: BO2 ???? Maybe they don't know what to do since CaC has been the series trademark since CoD 4 ;)

I have NO IDEA how actual game design and development works, but it is pretty common that a game keeps some elements which will be used in future installments while others will be scrapped.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on March 03, 2016, 11:07:00 AM
If you look at it that way, you can find an excuse for anything. I think it's cheap. They should've released it like they did with Blood Dragon. But they didn't. They want me to pay the full price for the game. I won't.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: OWGKID on March 03, 2016, 11:24:41 AM
There is always an excuse for everything if I'm right 8-X The game lacks a multiplayer so a 60$ tag doesn't justify this. Ubi being greedy again...

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This sums up FC Primal nicely...
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on March 03, 2016, 01:11:34 PM
This will be the first Far Cry game that I have no desire to purchase, even in the bargain basement.  :-\\
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on March 03, 2016, 03:37:37 PM
they really make me stay away.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on March 04, 2016, 08:00:22 AM
So far from the videos I've watched, there doesn't seem to be much to attract me. If you really liked using the bow & arrow in the previous FC games, then this is the one for you. I guess you can upgrade it, and eventually you learn how to make some kind of hand grenade or something, maybe a crossbow eventually, but it's that and melee combat, which leaves me cold. Other things are exact copies from FC4, certain movements, objects, textures, etc. It looks like the map is all new, and that is the only thing that intrigues me, the exploration of the new map, and the visuals, it does look really nice. But that graphic OWGKID posted pretty much exactly matches my thoughts on the game, from what I've seen so far.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: fragger on March 04, 2016, 01:28:05 PM
Yeah, judging by that list of pros and cons, it looks like you'll pay for pretty graphics mainly. May as well just look at nice landscapes on Google Image. The cons all seem to refer to the actual gameplay.

I'd still be willing to at least give it a go if it wasn't for the price. Make it five bucks and I might consider it.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on March 07, 2016, 10:00:22 AM
After watching a few more videos, FCP is pretty much the Shangir-la missions from FC4 only without the trippy landscapes. Oh, yeah, there is trippy drug use sessions, but you use them to learn to control the animals. But once you do that, it turns into the Shangri-la style. You have your bow, and a spirit animal, and you command the animal to go attack one guy while you shoot the other guy with your bow. That's pretty much the game so far that I've seen. You collect plants to make healing potions and stuff, and make new arrows and spears, club people upside the head, etc.

So, if you really liked the Shangri-la missions in FC4 this is the game for you. I didn't mind them, as a break from the guns in the main part of FC4, but an entire game of bow and arrow, no, I don't think so.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Art Blade on March 07, 2016, 10:13:39 AM
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on March 07, 2016, 10:00:22 AMclub people upside the head

Must be a British thing. Or the Brits still have it in them. In Manchester, that's how people date. Male fills up female with vodka, club her over the head with empty bottle, and drag her home.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on March 07, 2016, 10:26:12 AM
I hated the Shangri-la missions. Disliked from the beginning, the first drug-induced haze I experienced in FC3 - had a feeling it was going to sour me on the series.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: fragger on March 07, 2016, 07:41:10 PM
lol Art :laugh: "Welcome to the club" means something different in Manchester, apparently :-()

Drugged-out sequences appear to be becoming a thing with the FC series. Mass-dislike of such a thing, if it was made known, would have encouraged the devs to drop it, one would think. But since they haven't, I can only conclude that there must be a lot of people who enjoy it. Maybe because they're already on drugs when they play so they feel right at home, I dunno. There wasn't as much of that in FC4, whereas FC3 was rotten with it, which is one reason why I enjoyed #4 more than #3. The long drug trip sequences, the big red demon, those annoying Buck missions, and Buck were the things I hated most about FC3.

Agree D_B, a whole game of Shangri-La would dull me out pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on March 08, 2016, 07:25:41 AM
I can't speak for the whole game yet, but that's the way it looks to be shaping up, bow and spear hunting with your animal friend, and club when it gets up close and personal. There is the owl, which I guess you can equip with some kind of bomb to drop on people, but it pretty much is a replacement for the binoculars to look at places and tag enemies before attacking.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on March 08, 2016, 10:43:45 AM
Do you guys remember if there was a boss in FC4?  I can't remember if I ever finished the game, but don't remember a boss  ????
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on March 08, 2016, 12:34:44 PM
Quote from: PZ on March 08, 2016, 10:43:45 AM
Do you guys remember if there was a boss in FC4?  I can't remember if I ever finished the game, but don't remember a boss  ????

:laugh:

Open world demise ^-^
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: fragger on March 08, 2016, 03:47:18 PM
Quote from: PZ on March 08, 2016, 10:43:45 AM
Do you guys remember if there was a boss in FC4?  I can't remember if I ever finished the game, but don't remember a boss  ????

There sort of was, when you had to defeat Pagan's pink-haired Asian sidekick, Yuma. You went into a small cavern in an abandoned mine where she snuck up on you and blew trip-dust in your face. You then got all druggy and went through a whole Shangri-La-ish type mission where you had to make your way through a series of mystical temple-like places to find and take down a human but demonic warrior sort of guy called Kalinag. You actually had to "kill" him three times with a dagger while fending off Hunters and spirit-world tigers with your magic bow, and once you'd done that, you came back to reality to find that the whole episode had taken place in just that one small cavern, apparently in your drug-hazed mind, with Yuma dead on the floor of the cavern and dead Royal Army guys all over the place, who you had also evidently killed (I'm guessing that these were interpreted by your whacked-out brain as the Hunters and tigers).

Not a boss fight as such, but still flipping stupid.

There was also a boss fight in the last (of five) Shangri-La mission. I never played through those that far as they weren't necessary for game completion, but mandru did. Sounded pretty intense from what he reported and I'm sure I would have hated it.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on March 08, 2016, 05:36:09 PM
 ^-^
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on March 09, 2016, 07:51:41 AM
Yeah there was a sort of boss fight in the Shangri-la missions, but to be honest, I don't remember much about it. The big eagle bird thing, you had to shoot at exactly in the mouth four or five times? Something like that. Of course, it was the usual 20 minutes of failure before that, until you figure out that's what you have to do to kill it.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: PZ on March 09, 2016, 09:56:21 AM
I did not do any of those end-game things, but I did try a Shangri-la mission of two, and disliked them.  I probably did not finish the game.

Although I don't mind stretching the limits of reality with my outrageous silent .50 cal AS-50, I draw the line with stupid ghost warriors, giant eagles that you have to shoot just right, and other stupid fantasy elements.  If I wanted any of that I'd just watch a Japanimation movie and save myself the frustration of repetitive failures to progress through an equally frustrating game.
Title: Re: Far Cry Primal
Post by: Binnatics on March 10, 2016, 11:14:51 AM
Have you guys seen The Revenant? That would be the perfect setting for a Far Cry Primal of my taste.  ;)