Which game do you guys prefer ?
To me, each game has its own pros and cons and I enjoy both agmes but I got tired of FC3 after playing about 50 hrs, whereas I spent over 200 hrs in FC2.
On a side note, I've experienced dizziness many times recently when playing FC3 and other FPS (I'm playing Metro Last Light). I think I have to quit playing FPS for good.
Simple: FC3.
I reckon you won't let me get away that easily so I'll explain :)
Mainly because I have actually never REALLY liked FC2, only after playing with cheats. I hated malaria, I hated degrading weapons, I hated to be the only moving target for EVERYONE else (as in, never at peace). The weapons were basically crap.. still, I played the living daylights out of the game once I had my cheats. Most excellent day/night/weather/ambient light I've seen so far, still the best I guess.
FC3.. I hate the linear story and I wish I could kill those stupid friends of Jason, all of them, right at the start :-D
But the open world nature, the nice terrain and the actually balanced gameplay is great. It is the first game in many many years that I have completed (100% completion) without any cheats AT ALL. Also, it is the first game ever that I have played through on maximum difficulty (especially coop, oh man, I love coop with friends) and that is something, I usually play games on "easy." :)
Once I was through with the story, I started to cheat and I am currently using "Ziggy's mod" which is a major overhaul and changes the game a lot, very nice. I am very happy with it. Works nice together with cheats, too :-()
If Ubisoft picks the best parts of each game and mix them together, that'd be my dream game.
FC2: day/night cycle, enemies injury, main mission design, vegetation...
FC3: weapon customization, silent takedown, wildlife, civilians, random firefights, wingsuit, collectibles, loot, underwater ...
I don't know how many hours I spent on FC2 but I played it for a few years. FC3 I do know: right now, exactly 1,415 hours. So you got bored after 50? ??? Get a PC. :)
Quote from: Art Blade on September 10, 2013, 01:51:03 PM
I don't know how many hours I spent on FC2 but I played it for a few years. FC3 I do know: right now, exactly 1,415 hours. So you got bored after 50? ??? Get a PC. :)
:o :o ... and... good advice :-X ^-^
I think after all I would still go for FC2.
Because of one simple reason; It's more special. In FC2 you experience true horror, true dirt and true Africa.
In FC3 you experience gameplay that has improved in many ways, tons of interesting things to do, super-duper wild life and good open-world design (bad lvl design) but it's not special. The world they set up is not real, it's not balanced, and probably that's the main reason why they did not put so much effort into voice acting. The good gameplay they bring is nice but not revolutionary. The good graphics are nice, but not stunning compared to FC2. The bad MP design and hosting is incredible for a game that tends to take itself serious.
I should not start over and bring up the countless complaints so this is it. I choose FC2
Geez, I'm really torn with this one. For me there are pros and cons to both games.
FC2:
Pros: Beautiful lighting and realistic day/night cycle with fractally-generated sky and cloud effects, being able to sleep and thus plan whether to carry out missions in daylight or at night, the rich merc dialogue (some of which was still new to me after a few years' worth of play), the raw down-to-earth grittiness (no tripped-out nonsense), the quality of voice-acting on the part of inconsequential characters, the spontaneous frenetic action, the overall story.
Cons: Weapons categories (primary, secondary and special), restricted terrain accessibility, very little wildlife (which seems to serve the sole purpose of being run-overable), anticlimactic ending (whichever one you chose).
FC3:
Pros: The 100% accessible terrain, more to do in terms of finding hidden stuff and side missions, the much-varied and well-animated wildlife which not only can have a go at you but which also provides an active in-game function (crafting and selling of hides), the deletion of weapons categories (I can carry four different pistols if I really want to!), no weapon degrading, excellent voice acting on the part of major characters (I think Vaas is up there with Heath Ledger's Joker as a psycho-villain), upskilling, wingsuit/parachute (I love that).
Cons: Sub-par, player-movement-based day-night cycle with parallaxed skies (can't just literally sit and watch the sun set), limited and stilted dialogue from secondary NPCs, main missions too linear and in too strict a sequence, too many race-against-time episodes in same, too much out-there trippiness, too many longish cut scenes in general, story not as involving.
In summary: I like them both for different reasons and honestly don't know which one I prefer. I think if it came down to a choose-or-die decision however, I'd go with FC2. I played that for three years - time will tell if I'm still playing FC3 in another two-and-a-bit years' time. At this remove, I think probably not.
I could add that if I was a testosterone-driven, sexually-obsessed teenager I could say that since I get to have a bit of digital houghmagandy in FC3 then that would contribute to its appeal, but since I'm not either of those things anymore (well, only one of those things anymore), I won't add that.
:) glad you didn't even mention it.
:-D
I love both :)
FC2: Atmosphere, you can choose your character, weapon degrading (yes I love that), injuries etc.
FC3: Better gameplay (looting, crafting, experience, hunting, takedowns etc.). Vaas is really a great villain but I hated it that he disapperas or dies after the first half of the game I really thought he appears later in the game, would be a great plot twist. Although the atmosphere is also great the
FC2 Africa is more gloomier and "darker". FC3 has also sometimes this depressive atmosphere especially when you play the main missions.
The last weeks I considered playing FC2 again but then I thought about the things which I can't do (takedowns, weapon categories) so I continued FC3.
So gameplay wise clearly FC3 but atmosphere FC2.
I did play FC2 a lot more, and made that dang map, but at the time I didn't have Minecraft or Kerbal Space Program to distract me as much. Now I see someone has combined the two into Space Engineers. I'm really trying hard to not do anything with that until they have gone full version with it. Right now it's just in alpha.
If I didn't have those two distractions, would I still be playing FC3? Maybe. I may have also finished Rage, Duke 4 and Crysis 2, which are all sitting there in various unfinished states, because of, yes, Minecraft and Kerbal Space Program.
Having said that, I'd have to agree that the world is a little more "full" in FC3, but the linear missions aren't nearly as much fun or replayable as FC2 was.
FC2 for me - I can't count the number of times I played through that game, and I've only done FC3 a few times at most. FC3 is obviously much more sophisticated, but I really liked the doom and gloom atmosphere in FC2. Strange as it sounds, I kind of enjoyed the fact that everyone (except my buddies) were extremely hostile.
I still have a heavily modded FC2 on my PC, as well as modded FC3, however, I'd be just as likely to start FC2, maybe even more so.
Overall I preferred FC2, but I haven't played it for a while now and I know that if I did I'd miss some of the things I can do in FC3. But I still think it was a better game overall, more polished and cohesive. I'd rather hear the merc chatter of FC2 rather than listen to the same paltry few lines of dialogue in FC3 ad infinitum.
I was playing FC3 earlier, had just liberated an outpost and when the Rakyat showed up I heard them say "This is all me!" three times in a row, but with a different voice each time. I yelled at the screen, "It can't all be the three you!" Surely, surely the devs could have come up with a few more lines. More evidence I think that the game was rushed out the door.
Agree with The Stranger regarding atmosphere, I think FC2 has that all over FC3. Way better day/night cycle, and the weather system with constantly moving sun (and shadows of), atmospheric effects and fractal cloud generation was amazing.
FC2's weather and day/night system is splendid indeed.
Quote from: fragger on October 31, 2013, 04:05:27 AM
...I was playing FC3 earlier, had just liberated an outpost and when the Rakyat showed up I heard them say "This is all me!" three times in a row...
Symptom of anterograde amnesia
FC2's admostphere was the main reason I kept playing it. When poeple talk about what make gameplay so good, they often mention only AI, control, weapons, camera but they don't know that atmosphere is just as important as those elements, if not more so. FC2 is one example.
I have to admit that last night I found something (an odd thing) I seriously miss from FC2.
I was driving around in the game (god mode + infinite ammo cheats) I had a chance to swerve off the road and smear two patrolling privateers who were on foot. As I was recovering vehicle control I went right through a bush and no thrashing or tearing it up occurred. It was pretty much indifferent to my passing. :-\\
I was reminded of the graphics involved in FC2 when I would be bombing along off road in an AT and a bush or small tree recognizable as being no impediment to my ride would appear in front of me. It was always so satisfying to drive straight over them and see the branches and leaf debris break off flying out of my way as I tore through. :-(
True :)
I also miss seeing leaves blowing around and variable wind speeds moving the treetops about - sometimes windy, sometimes still.
What I don't get is why they had to change EVERYTHING and still call it FarCry.
A proper example showing that it is possible to do better: GTAIII is supposed to be the best game of the GTA franchise. Then they came up with GTAIV which was.. different. Not as successful. Not as celebrated. But a few new ideas which were cool. And now.. after almost 10 years, GTAIII gets a massive, massive overhaul but actually most of the game's basic ideas and environment and mission concepts are being preserved and all the flaws have been chiseled out and the not so good stuff has been massively improved plus they incorporated all the good ideas from GTAIV. They release it as GTAV, word spreads, and they hit a BILLION dollar sales within one week.
FC2 had a great concept. FC3 added great new ideas. FC4 should be what GTAV is for GTAIII fans: perfect. Imagine a FC2 world, with all the merc banter (and please, no more "it is all me") and all the African environment and destructible environment including bushes and trees as you guys said, yet 100% accessible world, climbable rather than invisible walls.. you get the picture. All the good stuff of both games and all that well polished.
If they manage to pull that one, THEN you can count me in for FC4.
I completely agree, AB - if FC3 were a redesigned FC2 with all the latest bells and whistles, I'd be on it like flies on stink - likely would not need another game for a couple of years. ... but that would be counter productive to the $ hungry gaming industry. Just like the planned obsolescence with todays kitchen appliances, the industry does not want us to be that enamored with a game... just enough to purchase one again soon.
Just pick the best parts of FC2 + FC3 = the ultimate FC game
Bring back the body injury, improved AI. One of my best moments in FC2 was shooting a merc at his foot to injure him, then shooting his comradres who come to carry him to safety. The mercs in FC2 take cover when you snipe them, by contrast, the pirates and privateers just act like nothing happens.
One important aspect I think FC4 must have : destruction. Not only we can shoot the branches off the trees and other small stuff like in FC2, but we also can destroy some bigger objects.
The first thing I remember about FC2 before it was released was that they said buddies would come to our rescue if they liked us enough which absolutely amazed me. I was thinking of some Wild West type of dusty road, me lying in the dirt bleeding to death and some friends (buddies) dragging me away into safety while fending off bad guys who shot me.
And when I had the game.. I remember seeing Singh and wanting to shoot him instead.
Or, the first pictures and descriptions about timing your attacks.. a guy in the desert whips out a really cool pocket watch and decides it'd be better to do that at night and goes to sleep some place until night falls.
It wasn't quite like that when we got the game. The watch we later saw inside a safehouse just wasn't the same thing.
They had good ideas but rushed the game (lol, rushed.. they weren't exactly ahead of schedule) and a couple of things went down the drain or were rendered useless or laughable.
I wish they'd stick to their ideas and make them happen -- I don't mind if they're unable to do it in time as long as they bloody do it.
Thanks for reminding me Art - I thought the "buddy rescue" concept in FC2 was an inspired bit of gaming innovation, even if it wasn't quite what the pre-release blurb described. I still liked what they did with it 8) I remember the first time I saw my rescue buddy punch out a merc who got too close - that was one of the coolest things I'd seen in a FPS game for ages :-()
:)
Ouch... tough call! :-\\
I am with most of you guys... if I could have the best of both combined into a single game it'd be gold!
But if I had to choose... I would probably choose FC2 basically for two reasons
1) When the game was released and I first played, it the African setting, the music, the fire spreading, the light and the clean hud created such an amazing atmosphere for me that even with all flaws the game has (I still can't believe you can't kill a shirtless guy with a .50 round square to the chest at 3 feet distance :D ) I simply couldn't stop playing and prolonged my first playthrough as much as I could, avoiding any spoilers. ;D
2) Mission design. In FC2, as soon as I finished one mission I was already thinking in so many different ways of playing the same mission again... different loadouts, going as stealth as possible at night, Rambo mode, placing IEDs and clearing my way through... the list goes on and on. In FC3 I played some missions where I felt relieved it was over... too linear and not so many room for improvisation. :-(
Quote from: JRD on November 26, 2013, 04:16:19 AMIn FC2, as soon as I finished one mission I was already thinking in so many different ways of playing the same mission again
Same here, truly a very good point in favour of FC2
Quote from: JRD on November 26, 2013, 04:16:19 AM
...I still can't believe you can't kill a shirtless guy with a .50 round square to the chest at 3 feet distance...
Two words, JRD:
modded AS50 >:D
Quote from: JRD on November 26, 2013, 04:16:19 AM
...n FC2, as soon as I finished one mission I was already thinking in so many different ways of playing the same mission again... different loadouts, going as stealth as possible at night, Rambo mode, placing IEDs and clearing my way through... the list goes on and on. In FC3 I played some missions where I felt relieved it was over... too linear and not so many room for improvisation. :-(
My thoughts exactly! I recall not being finished with one play through and already planning which "buddy" I was going to be next, and how I was going to w@&k my way through the world.
True
I think that replay value is the most important aspect of a game in my opinion and thinking about how I am going to do that last missions next time I'm playing it shows how hooked I was in FC2.
So, yeah... FC2 is my choice over FC3 for sure! 8)
What cheeses me off about FC3 is the fact that you can hide behind bushes and trees in the dark so effectively that a pirate can walk past you within arm's length and not notice you.
But then, just shoot one of the pirates in the outpost with a silenced gun and the whole world, choppers and all zoom in on you like you wearing a flashing beacon on your head.
Buck's missions became a bit boring, on my last play through I decided to do all the towers, liberate all the outposts before doing any of the missions so once you done all that the Island becomes too damn civilized.
With my knowledge and experience of the African bush and it's wildlife, the FC2 devs did a brilliant job except in the way wild animals behave.
There are a few other things I like about FC3, gun choice, no restriction on movement and I also found the vehicle controlling a touch better than in FC2
FC2 will be my choice as well :-X
My internet service went down last night so I fired up games that would w@&k without a connection. FC3 was one of them, but it did not hold my interest more than a few minutes before I switched to JC2.
The gloomy African music, environment, and merc jabber of FC2 will in all likelihood never be replicated.
I agree with you both :-X
Allow me to add one more word - GLAT >:D
Quote from: fragger on March 16, 2014, 09:49:43 PM
Allow me to add one more word - GLAT >:D
:laugh: :-X
Quote from: fragger on March 16, 2014, 09:49:43 PM
I agree with you both :-X
Allow me to add one more word - GLAT >:D
:laugh: :bow
Quote from: PZ on March 16, 2014, 09:36:32 PMdid not hold my interest more than a few minutes before I switched to JC2.
Which one was it, then? 8-X :-D
It actually was JC2 - I didn't want gloom and doom that evening, and wanted to see some of the funny antics of the faction buddies as they would hang off the vehicles shooting at the government men :-()
;D
Maybe it is the FC2 shirt I am wearing but I want to play FC2 again i.e. continue the campaign. If it were not for the Jackal-Tapes glitch :/
Quote from: TheStranger on April 08, 2014, 05:19:40 AM
Maybe it is the FC2 shirt I am wearing but I want to play FC2 again i.e. continue the campaign. If it were not for the Jackal-Tapes glitch :/
It's too bad you don't have the pre-update version of the game. The glitch was introduced in one of the later updates. I actually never had any kind of problem with the game until I did the updates (PS3 and PC versions)
Oh I have that version but then you can't play with mods :/
Quote from: TheStranger on April 08, 2014, 12:48:45 PM
Oh I have that version but then you can't play with mods :/
True - I forgot about that little detail. Overall, I'd rather play with modded FC2 anyway. Because I'm a rather lazy gamer, I've set mine up so I have all weapons available in the shop, and each costs only one diamond apiece :-()
I also like to use the modded AS50 (silent and with farther range) and the high jump cheat so I can get to otherwise inaccessible places. Lots of fun changing up the way the game works - almost like having a new game.
What I like about FC2 is that the game is as exiting with or without any mods, modding it just makes it that more fun
Quote from: nexor on April 09, 2014, 04:32:56 AM
What I like about FC2 is that the game is as exiting with or without any mods, modding it just makes it that more fun
:-X
At last I loaded FC2 onto my new rig last night, and obviously I had to go to Africa, saw my a$$ twice during my first mission ::) :D
Good to be back in Africa :-D
Way to go, nex... still my favorite environment. If FC3 had been set in Africa, I just might have played more.
Quote from: nexor on April 10, 2014, 10:33:29 AM
At last I loaded FC2 onto my new rig last night, and obviously I had to go to Africa, saw my a$$ twice during my first mission ::) :D
Good to be back in Africa :-D
Indeed. I also continued to play FC2 and it's really more aesthetic than FC3. Also I love the jamming weapons and that the game is simpler, more straight. Ha good old FC2.
That doesn't mean that I don't love FC3, but I played it not nearly as many hours as FC2.
Quote from: TheStranger on April 16, 2014, 04:22:32 PM
... Also I love the jamming weapons and that the game is simpler, more straight. Ha good old FC2.
I agree - lots of gamers complained about the jamming, malaria, and other characteristics that are not part of most games. Although the rusting was a bit fast for my taste, I really did not mind it that much, nor the malaria - it just meant that you needed to keep track of both your and your weapons "health"
I recall gamers at the time were also lamenting that there were not more animals in FC2, which is a feature obviously installed in FC3. I've mixed feelings about the animals - I don't mind their presence, but I personally have never been too fond of crafting, and the requirement to find certain skins to craft pouches is a bit beyond my tastes.
Hmm I play FC2 with a mod so the weapons don't jam too often (vanilla jamming was a but too much). I actually like the crafting but I think there are too much animals in FC3, it's like a walk in the zoo sometimes and that feels kind a strange.
Quote from: TheStranger on April 17, 2014, 06:22:12 AM
Hmm I play FC2 with a mod so the weapons don't jam too often ...
Same here; my current mod has removed the malaria and the weapon disintegration. Way back when I first started playing FC2, those didn't bother me, but now that the initial novelty of the game has worn off, it sure is nice to play without degradation and malaria - makes for quite a different experience.
My only gripe with FC2 is the dev's portrayal of the animal behaviour.
Some animals are disoriented at night when you shine a light on them yes,
but not like in FC2, and most definately not in daylight
I remember there was a herd of really stupid zebras as you headed north toward Sepoko - virtually every time I traveled that road I ran one of them over.
There were also really stupid animals off road as you headed north toward TaeMoCo mines - just standing there while you ran them over.
I have a new politically correct term for stupid: sluggish cognitive tempo disorder
Oh? I only knew "mentally challenged" or, more picturesque, "one fry short of a happy meal" :-D
Those weird acting animals are all over in FC2, the devs are clueless
That was my first pic that I uploaded. File ID 71, which means one of the earliest of the uploaded pics :) That zebra was clueless, too.
[smg id=71 align=center width=800 caption="zebra 1"]
I once had stopped at the safe house between the Eastern gunshop and the OGC green houses to confer with a BB over some minor mission detail with the radio operator and changing the supply drop point. While they were describing the mission detail a loud racket had arisen outside the hut. Once the briefing was completed and I'd exited the hut I discovered that one of the goats had somehow hooked a horn under the rear axle of my now badly beat up brush-buggy dragging it from around the side of the hut (where I'd parked) to right outside of the hut's front door.
Trying to figure out what was going on and how the goat could so soundly thrash my ride I was a moment too slow in spotting the black smoke and leaping flames that had arisen from the rough handling.
Fortunately my BB was just inside and revived me with out a whole lot of giggling. :-[
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
mandru, here's a heartfelt +1 :-X for your story-telling style, that story in particular, and last but not least, your inherent extreme weirdness magnet. :-D
That's something I would have liked to see :laugh:
I remember a couple of chicken acting very weird. They were located near the hut in Sehlakalase Island. I don't remember what they did exactly, but it happened when I stood on them. Funny, makes me want to go back in to check it out ;)
I don't think it will be long until I pay Africa a visit again 8)
I'm currently paying Africa a visit, with that DLC it's a whole new experience. I love that quad to drive around with, it's fast and small. Excellent :-X
Quote from: Art Blade on April 22, 2014, 01:19:31 PM
I'm currently paying Africa a visit, with that DLC it's a whole new experience...
Sure is - I like the Unimog because I enjoy the Diesel sound, and I especially like the mounted .50 cal which is devastating to the mercs in the north >:D
Today I remembered what Spaceboy did, driving his quad around inside Pala and Mosate Selao. He also rigged his quad with IEDs and left the rigged vehicle just so he could remotely detonate the whole thing. I drove around in Pala and MS today, it was funny :)
I remember that as well, and also recall doing something similar after his report :-X
The driving is also a major point why FC2 is better than FC3. The vehicles were actually driveable not that drunken-boat-drifting thing like in FC3.
I found the difference in driving in FC3 a big improvement. I really didn't like the way these African cars reacted, more like a bumper car than a real vehicle. But I think the engine Farcry games are built on isn't fully prepared for good driving gameplay, because in both games I find it not natural, not even approaching other open world game car handling.
I think both had problems, but different on the various platforms. Because I played on the PS3 and the PC versions, I could definitely tell the difference
funny, I liked driving around in both FC2 and FC3. I even did power slides and stuff like that in FC2. :-D
Though I didn't initially like the driving physics in FC3 I've worked through it, compensated and found some advantages over FC2.
Throwing yourself into a sideways power drift to spread out you vehicle's area of impact to be able pick as many enemies as possible as you slam through them is useful.
I've also found that when I'm driving at top speed and a target of opportunity arises rather than hitting the Exit button just to spend time rolling on the ground and possibly losing my ride of the edge of a cliff or through other damage I can tap the brake button, toss myself into a drifting U-Turn and with practiced timing step out of the vehicle (with it safely parked behind me) facing the target weapon at hand in 1/10th the time allowed by a rolling ejection.
nice skills :-D
Quote from: mandru on April 27, 2014, 06:39:21 AM
Throwing yourself into a sideways power drift to spread out you vehicle's area of impact to be able pick as many enemies as possible as you slam through them is useful.
I like the simplicity in these last words;
"is useful"Less is more in this case ^-^ :-X :-X
:-D
Aaahhh... good to be back and see FC2 is still a topic on this forum! 8)
Home is where Far Cry 2 is ;D
One other thing I like in FC2 is how unpredictable situations can be. I remember making mental plans (and mental plans) to tackle a mission, placing IEDs at the right spot, scouting the area, waiting for the night or to avoid the sun against my sight, then moving in and starting my takedowns just to be surprised by a stray merc or the clunck of a mortar and all hell breaking loose as I run desperately across the map, heavy breathing, panting and looking in all directions trying to figure out where those shots were coming from with a malaria attack kicking in just to be revived by my BB and moving back in from an unknown position.
Boy that was fun! >:D
In FC3, once you get the enemies silhouettes lit, there's no surprise element for you, only for them. It seriously takes away the thrill of the killing. :angry-new:
consider modding fc3, JRD. there are mods that remove those silly hud elements, highlighted items and enemies.. you know.. it's a lot more fun then. But still not the same as FC2. :)
I agree completely. I have installed mods that were just right for me in FC3, but the game (for me) is so boring that I just can't go back. In contrast, I've started an entirely new campaign in FC2.
Although I sometimes go back to FC3, I'll never start a new playthrough again. Just free roam with those mods with a savegame after the main mission ended.
Good to see you're back JRD!!! :-X
... I guess I'd better start another FC2 playthrough as well ^-^
:)