I was watching some news while having brekky this morning and there was a report about how a number of consumer watchdog groups in Australia are trying to persuade the federal government to launch a parliamentary inquiry to look into just why it is that Aussie consumers of games & entertainment media are paying so much more than their American counterparts for exactly the same products. There seems to be no justification whatsoever as to why DVDs, audio CDs and video games cost at least 50% more here than they do in the States (and most of the rest of the world), even when import duties and such are factored in. And there is no reason at all for electronic purchases/downloads to be dearer for us when there isn't even a physical good being shipped, yet pay more for those we also do.
The consensus of the consumer groups was that we're simply being ripped off (I could have told them that). When I say we pay at least 50%more, that's starting at the clean end of the rot. Prices can be hiked up to as much as 88% more than what our American cousins are paying.
Apple, Adobe and Microsoft are the worst offenders in this high-end gouge group (surprise surprise) charging Australian customers almost 90% more than they do their American ones. When you consider that as I write this the Aussie dollar is buying about US$1.05, there can be no logical reason for this whatsoever. I guess these companies simply view this country as an easy rip-off target.
What I do know is this: if we want this to change, the biggest hurdle we'll face will be getting our politicians to put their vitriolic mudslinging and taxpayer-funded junketing on hold long enough to come to the party and maybe start thinking about initiating the formation of a committee to look at the feasibility of having a discussion with a view towards beginning proceedings of what will be required to lay the groundwork for a possible future inquiry into the matter, if practicable. In other words, they might be able to get a ball rolling by around 2047 ::)
It all left such a sour taste in my mouth that I wasn't able to enjoy my cereal :angry-new:
Outrageous! \:/
Gee... except for the 1:1.05 exchange ratio you could be easily talking about Brazil!!!!
Some products, however, can cost even more than what you described. Mostly when there is a physical, electronic device or media involved. Games and videogames being notoriously more expensive here than anywhere in US.
Take AC3 for instance... I paid RS$84,99 for my STEAM copy, which is US$41,86. A copy available at a local retail store costs RS$179,99, which is US$88,66.
My copy cost 47% of a retail copy purchased here. ???
Why does a digital copy is more than twice the price of a game DVD? It can be a bit more expensive, ok, I can live with that since there are costs related to the midia, packaging, distribution and sales involved but how come it is so much more expensive?
The profit margin is already included in the digital copy too... so everything else are taxes? :angry-new:
Well, here we have tax on videogames and MMO subscriptions, so we get a price differential right there.
Our prices by and large are goverened by the UK, because the gaming shops here are UK based, so we import from there.
It is annoying to go to the Google Play Store and see an app for $2.99, then try to buy it and see the price becomes €2.99 :D
GOG.com is great (if you are into those games) as the prices are in dollars and you pay in dollars, so if your country has a good rate vs USD, games can be quite cheap, Steam charges the USD rate as the same price in €uros I think.
As regards the digi downloads, once high street game shops go (like GAME in britain), we are going to get royally screwed by the digi d/l companies, they provide no physical product, no second hand market and they wonder why people pirate.
Dont even get me started on DLC.... >:((
The other day I purchased MOH Warfighter for ZAR350.00 that's about US$39.00
STEAM charges in US dollars and just convert it to Euro if you are in Europe or in Reais if you are in Brazil. Actually, now STEAM display prices in Reais and they are just converted using an average exchange ratio, which is fair!!!
No unfair taxes or interest there!
Quote from: JRD on November 27, 2012, 03:51:01 AM
STEAM charges in US dollars and just convert it to Euro if you are in Europe or in Reais if you are in Brazil. Actually, now STEAM display prices in Reais and they are just converted using an average exchange ratio, which is fair!!!
No unfair taxes or interest there!
I'm not sure about that, because I remember a couple of years ago checking a price on Steam and it was in dollars, I was in Spain a week later and checked the price, it was the same amount in euros, it may be different now as I dont buy much on steam so I dont pay any attention to it as I only buy im the sales.
Before they display the prices in Reais I used to buy in US dollars and my credit card bill would show me the exchange. Now I see the prices straight in Reais and it is pretty much what it would be if I just convert the US dollar price into Reais.
Quote from: nexor on November 27, 2012, 01:56:08 AM
The other day I purchased MOH Warfighter for ZAR350.00 that's about US$39.00
That's a good price; I paid $59
Quote from: PZ on November 27, 2012, 09:44:21 AM
That's a good price; I paid $59
It's €29 here, apparently not selling very well at all, if I wasnt so bogged down in Resi 6 I would get it, but Resi is kinda huge on replay value, I'll be playing it 'til xmas I think.
RRP for MOH Warfighter here is AUS$98. I'll probably be paying about that for FC3 :D
Dang fragger, you'd have to replay the game 3 times as much as nex just to break even!
Quote from: fragger on November 26, 2012, 02:20:53 PM
...the biggest hurdle we'll face will be getting our politicians to put their vitriolic mudslinging and taxpayer-funded junketing on hold long enough to come to the party and maybe start thinking about initiating the formation of a committee to look at the feasibility of having a discussion with a view towards beginning proceedings of what will be required to lay the groundwork for a possible future inquiry into the matter, if practicable. In other words, they might be able to get a ball rolling by around 2047 ::)
:laugh: sorry, that was so brilliantly put :)
It is good that the consumers are talking about it publicly though - which is pretty much the only thing politicians will respond to in the end, if only for fear of having their nice little jobs taken away from them otherwise.
We may have average prices here but as soon as you guys see blood, severed limbs or swastikas, we get a sanitised (aka censored) version unless the game is banned right away (see Postal). So I have to resort to importing games in order to get the real original uncut and uncensored games like you guys do. That is what makes those games about 10-20% more expensive for me.
Quote from: Art Blade on November 27, 2012, 08:50:19 PM
We may have average prices here but as soon as you guys see blood, severed limbs or swastikas, we get a sanitised (aka censored) version unless the game is banned right away (see Postal). So I have to resort to importing games in order to get the real original uncut and uncensored games like you guys do. That is what makes those games about 10-20% more expensive for me.
You boys should be receiving a
discount due to the lack of accurate game content :-()
tell me about it :-D
Quote from: Art Blade on November 27, 2012, 08:50:19 PM
but as soon as you guys see blood, severed limbs or swastikas, we get a sanitised (aka censored) version unless the game is banned right away (see Postal).
You'll probably have to import this then?
http://www.g4tv.com/games/xbox-360/65395/furious-4/articles/74690/brothers-in-arms-furious-4-preview-e3-2011/ (http://www.g4tv.com/games/xbox-360/65395/furious-4/articles/74690/brothers-in-arms-furious-4-preview-e3-2011/)
TL:DR version
Brothers in Arms: Furious 4 - E3 2011 - Nazi Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePALSKiDxJA#ws)
Looks like a ban candidate to me or at least something you wouldn't recognise after having sanitised it. Some titles are not even considered for the German market so the software companies don't have to undergo the reprogramming process ("localised" German version, maintain at least two types of patches as in a special German and a Rest Of The World patch) only to make our censors less unhappy. "Glorification of violence" leads to a ban (see Postal), violent details such as blood and gore (dismemberments, severed bouncing limbs, gushing blood, wounds, even rag doll effects) will be erased or replaced. Nazi symbols are only tolerated in works of art (i.e. paintings, films) while video games are not considered art which is why those symbols will be replaced.
So, yes :-D
Quote from: PZ on November 27, 2012, 01:49:47 PM
Dang fragger, you'd have to replay the game 3 times as much as nex just to break even!
:lol
:)
This seemed like as good a place as any to post this diatribe...
Honestly, sometimes I have to wonder about the alleged intelligence of the human race.
Definition of race:
(/rās/) - Verb - Compete with another or others to see who is fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective.
I just watched several million dollars' worth of taxpayers' money literally go up in smoke in the form of New Year's Eve fireworks over Sydney Harbour.
Several months ago, our State Government announced that a scheme to fund free eyeglasses for old-age pensioners would be scrapped because they (the government) could no longer afford it. The cost to taxpayers? Four million dollars.
The cost to taxpayers for this year's New Year's Eve fireworks (a whole 12 minutes' worth)? Five million dollars.
Good to see that our illustrious State Government has its priorities in order.
That's just fine, because those old-age pensioners who didn't get free eyeglasses are still blind so they didn't see that money go up in smoke in form of fireworks, anyway.
:-D I guess that's one way of looking at it - or not.
:-()
Yes, I've often wondered at the costs of these funded fireworks displays, usually because the biggest usually seem to be during times of funding cuts.
I suppose it's the old Roman Colluseum trick of keeping the masses sweet with regular, big shows. Over here it's the same and if you travel up north where less government funding goes, there are huge, gleaming new football stadiums surrouded by dilapidated housing and communities. It's all based on the same idea.
I'd have thought that would have been a slap in the face for those living around such, but people do indeed seem less inclined now to protest or even be bothered with noticing such obvious discrepancies anymore.
Copacabana beach, December 31st, 2012!
2,3 million people, of which about 1 million are foreigners, watching the fireworks. It lasts for over 20 minutes. It is the biggest event in Rio in this time of the year. Hotels are 95% booked and you have to wait 1:30+ hours for a table on a decent restaurant.
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Rocinha favela, 70,000 inhabitants... just a short walk from Copacabana. Note the fancy buildings at the bottom of the picture.
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:o
That's about as graphic a contrast between the haves and the have-nots as you could possibly get. Well put, JRD.
absolutely ??? :(
Yet another example of at best bungling incompetence, and at worst, self-serving bullshit. :angry-new:
My Dad won $10 in the State Lottery. The government took $1 of it.
How lousy can you get? >:((
No offense against Oz intended fragger, but evidently the criminals that founded much of the beginnings of Oz long ago must have ascended (or perhaps more accurately, descended)_ into governmental positions
fragger, I was wondering if he can prove that he paid more than ten dollars to win that prize can he get the dollar back when he files his year end taxes?
I know that here in the U.S. when you go to Las Vegas or if you're at one of the race tracks by keep solid records of your losses in the form of receipts and losing ticket stubs you can beat that tax bite. ;)
Isn't that amazing ::)
Quote from: mandru on March 28, 2015, 09:16:00 AM
fragger, I was wondering if he can prove that he paid more than ten dollars to win that prize can he get the dollar back when he files his year end taxes?
I know that here in the U.S. when you go to Las Vegas or if you're at one of the race tracks by keep solid records of your losses in the form of receipts and losing ticket stubs you can beat that tax bite. ;)
So true when in the US legal system, mandru.
Reminds me of the serial killer that was paroled because of a Miranda rights violation. Not only did he get out of jail, but it set the stage for his suing the government for violating his rights.
This was a man that killed so many people he did not remember the number. When a detective said "I don't have enough fingers and toes to count the number of people you have killed", he responded, there are not enough fingers and toes in this room to account for the number of people I have killed. There were four people in the room. Yet, the government in it's infinite wisdom set this man free allowing him to continue his killing career
How's that for justice.
Quote from: PZ on March 28, 2015, 09:30:17 AMthe government in it's infinite wisdom
Maybe it's time to elect "complete idiots." The outcome might be more desirable than what you get with "infinite wisdom" :-D
:-D I think you may be correct
2010 FIFA Soccer World Cup in South Africa, some Stadiums were upgraded and some were new constructions
Johannesburg FNB Stadium upgrade ZAR 2, 2 Billion ...... USD 440
Johannesburg Ellis Park Stadium upgrade ZAR 552 000......USD 7200
New Cape Town Stadium ZAR 4.4 Billion....USD 600Million ZAR 40Million thereof was for consulting fees
New Durban Stadium ZAR 3.4 Billion....USD 450 Million
New Port Elizabeth Stadium ZAR 2.05 Billion....USD 270 Million
Nelspruit New Stadium ZAR 1.05 Billion...USD 140 Million
New Pietersburg Stadium ZAR 1.24 Billion....USD 150 Million
Some of these Stadiums have not been used since the World Cup
All this when the unemployment rate for 2000-2014 averaged 24%
Regarding your comment mandru, I don't think Dad could be bothered :-() But thanks for the thought.
Nex, that's unbelievable ??? Or maybe it is. Politicians love spending money on frivolous events that benefit nobody but themselves and those who take part, just so they can posture and bask in a world spotlight. Sydney blew close to three billion dollars on the 2000 Olympics and there is now nothing to show for it except for a massive stadium that mostly sits empty.
Quote from: PZ on March 28, 2015, 08:48:49 AM
No offense against Oz intended fragger, but evidently the criminals that founded much of the beginnings of Oz long ago must have ascended (or perhaps more accurately, descended)_ into governmental positions
No offense taken, buddy :-D There is that one word in your post that I feel compelled to address though, and I stress that I'm not taking umbrage here. It's just a common misconception.
The ironic thing about convict transportation was that the vast majority of convicts weren't criminal people by nature. The ultimate cause of it all began in the 16th-17th centuries in Britain when the powers-that-were began to pass a series of bills collectively known as the "Enclosure Acts". The intent was to force the largely bucolic rural citizens into a system of taxation, and it failed utterly. These were people who for centuries had lived for the most part in a barter system, sharing enormous common pastures within their communities (which is why there are so many places in Britain today called "Such-and-Such Common" or "The Commons". The intent of the new laws was to divide up and fence off these common pastures - "enclose" them - for purposes of taxation, so that farmers would basically have to rent an allotment, then pay tax in the form of a percentage of whatever they produced. The burgeoning landed aristocracy was empowered to make sure that this new system was enforced, with "Lords" appointed to see to it that the "commoners" in their area paid up (and these nobles were simply keen to get their hands on as much land as possible, so they didn't care what happened to those who couldn't pay). When the rural population was forced into a monetary system that was both unaffordable and alien to them, many couldn't cope with it or couldn't meet their new financial obligations and were turfed off their land. Mistakenly believing they could find w@&k in the cities, that was where they began to gravitate, mostly to the biggest city of them all, London.
Thus began one of the greatest mass-migrations of humans in history. But there was no w@&k for them in the cities, and back then there was no public welfare system of any sort in place. Residents of London didn't want these undesirable people around and so they ended up being shunted off to the outskirts, most to what would become the East End of London. With thousands, then tens of thousands, then millions, of dispossessed people inhabiting this area, it eventually became a stinking, sprawling slum, the greatest ghetto the world has ever seen.
Now, it doesn't matter how law-abiding a person you may try to be, nor how moral and righteous - if it eventually comes to a choice between stealing food and starving to death, I can pretty much guarantee that you will steal. If you have no money, no means of getting any, and you family is starving, you will steal. And when millions of people are in this situation, the theft is going to become astoundingly rampant. It did become so rampant that the authorities came up with a collective term for the slum inhabitants: they dubbed them the "Criminal Classes". They believed that these people deliberately conspired to make a living from theft, and that the only way to stem this perceived tide of criminality was to make the punishments as Draconian as possible: steal an apple, spend seven years in jail. Steal two apples, spend fourteen years in jail. Steal an apple and a loaf of bread or a bolt of cloth, spend life in jail or be hanged.
Of course that did nothing to stop the thieving. Starving, penniless people will steal to survive - after all, starving to death and hanging on the end of a rope are both pretty unpleasant ways to die.
And so the prisons quickly filled up. When they were full, any old ship that could be found was stripped of its masts, sails and rigging, permanently anchored out in the middle of the Thames, and loaded up with excess prisoners. There came to be literally miles of these prison hulks, lined up along the middle of the river, loading up on prisoners, until
they were all full. The government was loath to build more prisons, and for a while a partial solution was found by shipping prisoners off the colonies in America and the West Indies to w@&k as "indentured servants", or in reality slaves, until their sentences were carried out. But then those pesky Americans rose up, declared Independence and fought a war over it, so that put a stop to transportation for a while, until eighteen years after Cook returned from his first voyage to the southern hemisphere and they remembered the reports he'd made about the country he'd found there (contrary to popular belief, Cook didn't "discover" Australia - other Europeans, largely Dutch with the odd Portuguese explorer, had been bumping into the west coast of it for a couple of hundred years before Cook came along. Cook was the first European to map the east coast, and it wasn't even realized that the east and west coasts were part of the same country. The Dutch called it "New Holland", the Brits called it "The Great South Land").
It's not true that the
only reason for transporting convicts to Australia was to relieve prison overcrowding. War was looming between England and France, and the French had colonies in Indonesia and Southeast Asia which the British were keen to keep an eye on (the Brits were also keen to muscle in on the Spice Trade out of Indonesia). A naval base in the southern hemisphere located relatively close to the French colonies would have great strategic importance, and since Cook's reports had included the discovery of a small island off the east coast of the Great South Land which was covered in towering pine trees which might make ideal ship masts, and had a wealth of flax which might make good sail cloth, it seemed that there was an island brimming with ship materials already located in the right place. So the convicts were not just sent here to relieve overcrowding - the eventual objective was to establish a ship-building naval base. As it later turned out, both the pines and the flax of Norfolk Island proved to be totally unsuitable to ship-building. Cook had only observed them from afar since he hadn't been able to land on the island due to the reefs that almost completely surround it.
But even without the naval base, transportation was having the desired effect - sort of. The prisons were still filling as fast as they could be emptied - filled with people who would mostly be law-abiding folks otherwise if it hadn't been for their uncaring, short-sighted government, aided by venal aristocrats, taking their land away from them to start with.
Sorry to introduce a historical thesis into what's supposed to be a rant topic :-() But there is a rant involved, not just on my part but of all Australians. I believe that due to the circumstances that landed us all here, to this day there is still an undercurrent of mistrust, both of authority and of aristocracy, that flows through Aussie society. I think this innate mistrust is what compels us to try to be as egalitarian a society as we can, even if only subconsciously - our forebears saw firsthand what a supposed democratic government with an attendant aristocracy can be capable of. Most Australians rant against any hint of absolute power or class consciousness, since it was these things that dumped us here in the first place, and even after all this time, the wound is still a bit sore.
So to slightly amend your statement PZ, it's more a case of the politicians having been politicians all along, while the "criminals" got on with the job of building the country once their unfair sentences had been carried out :-D
Good read Fragger! :-X +1 for clarifying that ugly piece of history. I never knew that the Dutch discovered the West coast of Australia.
And funny how the word "common" pops up once again. Sounds like proper 'common sense' these commons :-D
I can't remember if I posted this before fragger, my wife's maternal grandfather emigrated from Kenya to Australia during 1963 when Kenya got their independence from British rule.
The wife's grandfather found a huge piece of uninhabited land but for one man in South Western Australia, this piece of land was given to a man who apparently was a state witness many years ago, the Australian government gave him the land at this remote part of Australian coast for his own safety.
Some years later a homeless guy arrived there and the "owner" was so glad to find another human being that he took the homeless guy in and they spent many years there together until the "owner" passed away leaving the land to the homeless guy.
Soon after the wife's grandfather arrived in Australia he and this homeless guy somehow bumped into each other and the grandfather bought the land from him
You hit the nail on the head, fragger - whenever there appears to be something that is simply wrong, it is almost always the case that a politician is behind it.
good read, fragger :) +1 :-X
Thank you chaps :) I did a substantial amount of nutshelling in that post, but I wasn't about to write a book here (although I made a pretty good start :-())
@Nexor, that's a very interesting tale :-X I don't think you have posted that before.
Quote from: nexor on March 28, 2015, 02:02:17 PM
2010 FIFA Soccer World Cup in South Africa, some Stadiums were upgraded and some were new constructions
Johannesburg FNB Stadium upgrade ZAR 2, 2 Billion ...... USD 440
Johannesburg Ellis Park Stadium upgrade ZAR 552 000......USD 7200
New Cape Town Stadium ZAR 4.4 Billion....USD 600Million ZAR 40Million thereof was for consulting fees
New Durban Stadium ZAR 3.4 Billion....USD 450 Million
New Port Elizabeth Stadium ZAR 2.05 Billion....USD 270 Million
Nelspruit New Stadium ZAR 1.05 Billion...USD 140 Million
New Pietersburg Stadium ZAR 1.24 Billion....USD 150 Million
Some of these Stadiums have not been used since the World Cup
All this when the unemployment rate for 2000-2014 averaged 24%
Nex, as you know, Brazil just hosted a world cup last year between June and July. I read your figures and it amazes me how much similar we did, plus a few billion dollars. :D
I happen to live on a short distance from the Maracanã stadium where the final match took place. This is where I run 3x a week so I know that place like you know your own backyard. In the years before the world cup people were discussing about the legacy such event would leave to generations to come to justify the astonishing costs of hosting it in Rio.
Almost a year has passed since we took a beating from Germany (7 x 1, ouch :'( ) and the said legacy is zero. No, I'm not kidding... is ZERO. No improvements were made whatsoever, except the area around the stadium, and I mean the immediate area itself because if you cross the street you will be stepping on the same old, cracked and dirty sidewalk as before. I can only mention one litle piece of w@&k done by the town hall between my place and the stadium: There is an avenue that leads from one metro (subway) station towards west that was also used by many people heading to the games. At one point the sidewalk on that avenue runs alongside an apartment building at the corner of that avenue and a small street. This particular sidewalk, for whatever bad engineering or lame urban planning was so narrow that only one person could pass at a time, and this just on a 20m (60ft) stretch, causing some people to walk near the curb, over the asphalt.
They made that 20m stretch wider....... :-(
Several works called "urban mobility" were promissed all over town. I see no improvement on my daily commute to and from w@&k, at all.
About 30% of the "improvements" promissed were either dropped mid way or not yet delivered. All of them blew the initial budget by a few hundred millions.
Special bus routes on dedicated urban corridors were built (a quick fix to one of the worst issues a city as big as Rio has that does very little to make traffic a bit better) and are now empty (never been used) or requiring basic maintenance because the w@&k was poorly executed.
With the money they used to remodel the Maracanã stadium you could have completely levelled the ground where it is, down to a flat empty area, and built a brand new stadium from scratch.
They build a state-of-the-art stadium from scratch in the rain forrest (the Amazon Arena), in the state of Amazonas. They don't even have a state league of football (soccer). No matches are scheduled to that venue for the forseeable future.
To top it off, we are hosting the Olimpics next year (and keep in mind that we hosted the Pan American games in 2007) and believe me or not... no facility from the Pan American games will be used during the Olimpics and the Maracanã Stadium will have to be remodelled to host the soccer matches during the games, again.
:(
??? :D
Dang, JRD, are they just printing money with no backing? ???
What gets my blood to boiling point JRD, the government have no problem spending these Billions on sport stadiums but will not spend anything on healthcare.
Most emergency equipment at ALL State Hospitals urgently need replacement, they are desperately short on funds, staff, beds, everyday health care equipment....etc...etc, the list is a mile long.
These fat a$$ government officials, from the top all the way down don't give a s#!t because they can go to any Private Hospital and get the best treatment money can buy, which they don't even have to pay for.
There are thousands of people in rural areas who have no housing, no electricity, no running water and no flushing toilets, some areas have portable toilets, about ten shacks per toilet, these shacks can house from one person to about ten. Most of these people don't even pay for water or electricity, so we the tax payers have to pay those bills, while the government is bragging on how good they are by giving FREE water and electricity to their people, 90% of these people don't even pay income tax either.
Speaking of money PZ, the "people of the country" thinks that the country have an endless supply of money, mind you, the way the government officials is blowing money they also think the country has an endless supply of money >:((
Sounds like social services are the same everywhere. People that are too lazy or mentally deficient to w@&k are being supported by the rest of the population. However, the politician will have us believe that they are the geniuses of society finding ways to provide services for nothing to people that deserve nothing.
Personally, I'm tired of supporting people whose largest ambition in life is to discover how to abuse social services.
When reading all this makes me wonder if we are the ones missing the plot somehow ??? :D >:D :angel:
Oh crap... I think I managed to accidentally delete one of JRD's posts... I quoted something he'd written and added my own post, but when I sent it, it showed up as having come from him, not me. So I deleted it and was going to redo the whole thing, but the post of JRD's that I'd originally quoted from has disappeared. Evidently I deleted JRD's original post, not the one I'd mistakenly sent as him. When I began, I know I hit "Quote" not "Modify" because I saw the "quote" in square brackets at the start of his post and edited it so that the /quote was at the end of the part I wanted to quote, so I don't know how I managed to screw it up and send it as him.
JRD, your post had included a quote from Ronaldo, who'd said "You can't build a World Cup with hospitals". That was the one I trashed.
Geez, I'm really sorry mate :-[ I've given myself a good whack upside the head on your behalf.
I'll be more careful when using the quote function in future, and I'll make sure I get a good coffee into me before I start posting stuff right after getting up...
What I was going to say in my post was that I couldn't believe how astoundingly callous that comment of Ronaldo's was and how it made me see a lot of red.
:laugh:
No worries mate! No whacking, please, I'll re-post it right away.
What I had posted was a famous sentence by multi-millionaire footballer Ronaldo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronaldo)said when asked about the paradox of investing so much money when the country is going through a healthcare crisis similar to what Nexor described in his home country. He said:
QuoteYou can't make a World Cup with hospitals
He was bashed for saying that but still, there were rumors that his name was being considered to be the new minister of sports if the opposition had won the last elections. ???