Download MercWars: There are two downloads. Without using any cheats (MercWar 2 (http://www.openworldgames.org/owg/forums/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=48)) and the other one you should use with ignoreplayer cheat (MercWar Rev.1 (http://www.openworldgames.org/owg/forums/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=47)) Please read the readme / description
Merc wars can be started using consoles, it is NOT limited to PCs
By the way, those savegames are without DLC, so anyone can use the savegames (doesn't matter if you have DLC or not).
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We have posts and vids on this site that deal with "mercs shooting mercs" but as far as I've seen those, they only shot themselves accidently (if otherwise, please tell us your stories) while trying to shoot the player (ie got in the way).
I've never seen anything different happen myself until today, as I witnessed a real firefight and chase between mercs! I have to add, that I used the IgnorePlayer cheat. But I also have to add, that it never made mercs shoot mercs deliberately, until today.
I drove around in the northern part, and reached Cock Fights from the eastern entrance. I didn't use the road though, but more by accident followed that small path with my car. The same path you have to take in the tutorial, I think when you start in the Slaughter House, when you have to explore another camp for your first rescue mission.
That path happens to end on higher ground, and I happened to carry IEDs with me, so I thought, well, they don't see you, but they might want to check THIS and set off the explosive.
Indeed, the first reactions "did you catch that?!" "I'm looking, I'm looking" and "Let's check it out" hahah. I snuck around not to make any noise (they still hear you) and not to distract them.
Now the unexpected part. Suddenly I hear a merc shout "He's there! He's there!!!" starting to shoot, and I thought how the hell did he notice me. But. The merc ran past me, shooting, and other mercs ran behind him, shooting, everyone passing me. They were headed towards the eastern exit of the area.
I looked that direction when I heard return-fire! All of a sudden, everyone was shooting, shouting and running, and I saw a couple of mercs entering the area from the east!
I checked my map and saw there was a Guard Post, right there, and the IED explosion was tremendous, so apparently they came to check it out too. I reckon the Cock Fights mercs know their own, and the GP mercs weren't their own, so they attacked! Took a couple of minutes, and whoa... exiting! :)
Our Member TheFishlord started a topic in Tips "Create a Merc War (http://www.openworldgames.org/owg/forums/index.php?topic=642.msg7905#msg7905)" that lists places where you can have some fun ;)
edit: fixed some links /Art
wondered if they did actually engage each other, it hints at it on the screen that flashes up sometimes when using weapon computer "A flare pistol is not only incendiary, but can also be used to call enemy reinforements to add some chaos into the mix"
never had it w@&k tho, and when they use a flare have killed them all an vanished before they trn up...
I wondered too, never saw it happen, tried a lot. I think that wouldn't happen anyway... they're merc reinforcements. You don't want the reinforcement to finish you off when you call them, do you ;D ;D ;D
Nah... the flare gun won't call any reinforcements... I tried it it lots of times with no success
indeed... so sad, really. Only if mercs use the flare, it sometimes works, seen at Dogon Village
GOD DAMN LYING S.O.B'S
read that screen and took it to mean that if the player used it it would call the opposing faction to the area.
will give it a go on infamous setting and se, probably just get shot loads again
adding a savegame, people... ;D ;D ;D ;D, modifying first post as by now :)
Had an interesting one....picked up the NE convoy target from the tower south of Sepoko. I'm close, so I decide to hit the armory for some IED's then plant them at the bus stop....I'm just SE of the GP when my gps shows the convoy about to come through. I equip the sniper and target one of the guards, then watch as all hell breaks loose and see 'mission acomplished' pop up :)
Wander on up to check things out and finish off a couple guards that have survived. Found the jeep on fire and crashed into a rock...the other assault vehicles were smokin' too.....single shot carnage, I loved it 8)
haha, nice one :) Sometimes they do that, you arrive, and everything is burning LOL
by the way, the savegame is "in the middle" of the fight, because a) I didn't expect that to happen and b) took me a moment to realise the chance ;D
oh, and if you see dead mercs, I didn't shoot them! :)
Quote from: dke58 on June 02, 2009, 02:40:49 PM
GOD DAMN LYING S.O.B'S
read that screen and took it to mean that if the player used it it would call the opposing faction to the area.
will give it a go on infamous setting and se, probably just get shot loads again
I read on ubi's site a guy saying ha approached a GP at night and fired the flare up in the sky. He then moved away as the guards came to check and passed through the unmanned GP with no problems.
He was using the flare as a decoy while he passed unnoticed :o
Tried a lot, but no good :(
I think it might be worth a look, if you are on a known patrol route of ATPs or perhaps DDPs. Shoot a flare and check if the patrol comes for help. Gotta test that myself :)
Maybe an ATP does... but when I fired the flare at night, the guards at the GP didn't even went on alert mode... kept their guns on their shoulders :(
arg, took me a while to get everything sorted (managed to redo the scenario, new savegame, now it's at the start :) now it's online in the download section (modified the first post with a direct link).
Now you can enter the game (with ignoreplayer cheat) and just watch from the high ground. Don't fight, don't attract their attention (the first time at least, lol), don't walk. You can move on the spot though... it's fun to see it again, like being in the middle of an action move :)
just to clarify, I deleted the original download file and replaced it with a new savegame that takes you to the start of the fightings ;D
Quote from: Art Blade on June 02, 2009, 02:54:07 PM
haha, nice one :) Sometimes they do that, you arrive, and everything is burning LOL
I wonder if that happens no matter what I do. On my 2nd attempt on this guy I'd taken the bus, went across the road and planted the IED's. Back in the bus station waiting, waiting and more waiting...I'm like WTF is this guy? Then on the gps I see the target moving, moving like a drunken sailor across the map....interesting, looks like they're going cross country....wait, who's that running at me? It's the target! Boom! ;D
hahahah, great :) :)
By the way, I was doing some Quality Testing with that savegame I uploaded. I interfered silently, shooting barrels, that car, close to mercs, they followed the "lead" LOL and found some mercs hiding... or, distract the CockFights mercs and allow the GP mercs to investigate, more chaos, haha... that savegame is the best I ever had. so much fun, to play and replay and replay ;D
It even works without the cheat, the mercs still shoot the other mercs when you're not their target ;D ;D ;D
aarrggh I'm so jealous I'm not on PC, I would love to see this. Can someone with video capabilities do the honorable thing and let us poorly console player see this one of kind moment. please, I beg. it sounds so cool.
Quote from: spaceboy on June 02, 2009, 07:39:07 PM
aarrggh I'm so jealous I'm not on PC, I would love to see this. Can someone with video capabilities do the honorable thing and let us poorly console player see this one of kind moment. please, I beg. it sounds so cool.
NO.Go play that console exclusive inFamous game of yours ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
evil. you're pure evil. ;)
Revenge is a dish better served cold ;)
as long as it comes with a cold beer as well...
Quote from: JRD on June 02, 2009, 07:43:02 PMNO.
ROFL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
poor spaceboy! Maybe this kind of thing helps you consider buying or building a pc of your own :)
Quote from: spaceboy on June 02, 2009, 08:00:41 PM
as long as it comes with a cold beer as well...
You bet.. on me, mate :-X
Quote from: Art Blade on June 02, 2009, 08:01:48 PM
poor spaceboy! Maybe this kind of thing helps you consider buying or building a pc of your own :)
I know inFamous makes me think of a PS3 a lot... but I'm fine with my PC ;)
Quote from: JRD on June 02, 2009, 03:03:51 PM
I read on ubi's site a guy saying ha approached a GP at night and fired the flare up in the sky. He then moved away as the guards came to check and passed through the unmanned GP with no problems.
He was using the flare as a decoy while he passed unnoticed :o
Tried a lot, but no good :(
Here's a twist - you've all experienced the mercs firing a flare pistol from time to time, correct? Maybe that is the time you can also fire a flare and confuse the mercs - they might come running to your location instead of the other merc's.
Quote from: PZ on June 02, 2009, 08:26:42 PM
Quote from: JRD on June 02, 2009, 03:03:51 PM
I read on ubi's site a guy saying ha approached a GP at night and fired the flare up in the sky. He then moved away as the guards came to check and passed through the unmanned GP with no problems.
He was using the flare as a decoy while he passed unnoticed :o
Tried a lot, but no good :(
Here's a twist - you've all experienced the mercs firing a flare pistol from time to time, correct? Maybe that is the time you can also fire a flare and confuse the mercs - they might come running to your location instead of the other merc's.
Let me know if you can make them run to your position, I gave up trying :(
Hey Art,
I just loaded the game but it starts me off at the safe house near the northwest bus stop - am I supposed to drive to the cock fight arena?
really?
I shall check and test, and report back... sounds like something got mixed up.
you were right. Now it's the right save :) Link updated (old download deleted)
In the heat of the fight, the exitement... you know... LOL
As the AI is not scripted, it is interesting to reload that save a couple of times. Sometimes the mercs are pro-active, sometimes you want to do something to get the action going (on). Most of the times I reloaded it, a couple of mercs shot themselves, and a few remained. Once they completely killed each and everyone but me ;D
The GPMercs seem to have an invisible line they don't cross, unless a CockFightMerc gets quite close and/or starts shooting. Mostly the CFM go to that border and then the GPM start shooting. Sometimes the GPM went exploring and searched the area to the far right of your position.
If you think there are some mercs left on both sides, try to trick them. If you shoot at them (with cheat), they might "accuse" the other party ;D
got me a flare gun skulked near a few GP creating pretty fireworks for them and NOTHING they spent most of their time having a piss !!!
figuerded if they enjoyed it so much gave them some little fires to put out...
My conclusion - they all must REALLY REALLY hate each other cos they dont even try putting them out when you light up their mates (rotten scum, burnings too good for em)
the only problem is, that despite of hating each other, the only one who gets it all is the player.
Except of course, MercWar ;D ;D ;D
Another thing to try with the savegame:
Walk silently between the ranks of one of the parties while they're fighting each other. It's like being one of them, or they being on your side. Quite fun :)
I just downloaded the file and was wondering, why doesn't it read "rv.1" - I had the zip fixed? now redone everything again. Renamed the zip to make sure. Uploaded. Downloaded.
NOW it's the right file. I'm sorry about the confusion.
Apparently I had some issues with page updates with my browser, and I was probably too tired :) There was another topic I didn't even know I had started it. Tsss... :)
Ok, back to the fun now. :-X :)
this is so much fun.... sat watchin it with my son, just reload every time it goes quiet.
like a very sureal game of suicide-tennis. :-X
:) glad that you and your son like it.
Funny thing to compare it with a tennis match, but yes... there is an invisible net... and they "return" fire... and then it goes all John McEnroe style
"Chalk dust"
"The ball was in"
There was chalk dust!"
"Warning."
"You cannot be serious!"
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: spaceboy on June 02, 2009, 07:39:07 PMaarrggh I'm so jealous I'm not on PC, I would love to see this ... it sounds so cool.
Spaceboy (and anyone with console)
You
can do it.
I started a game without any cheats (on Easy) and drove to the nearby safehouse. You should know it, it's in that small valley, like a vineyard, where you had to go during one of the tutorials, right next to CockFights. (On a sidenote, there I blew myself up and Frank came to rescue me, from Bowa! lol) The safehouse is where you save it, of course, and then you drive with your car (or the one that is parked there, depending on your game progress) up that small track to the vista point where you can map the area of CockFights.
I used IEDs, MP5 and Dart. I stuck one IED to the car, drove up the track, got out (and got detected by the GP). I ran for cover in the bushes, on that knoll, and the GPMercs chased after me "where is he?!" "He's there, he's there!" shooting.
Just to make sure, I blew the IED and car, so every merc in the area would come check it out.
Then the CockFightMercs woke up "did you catch that?" and started running towards the GPM, and the GPM started shooting the CFM. Me? Hiding... no cheats to save my virtual a$$ in a gang bang ;D But I did have a look through the bushes and watched the two gangs finishing themselves off :)
You should try it ;D
PC players:
new download without cheats available (MercWar2).
Yeah, spaceboy, I started a merc war first on the PS3!
Interestingly, I just had the opportunity to go through the cock fight arena again, so I planned on starting a war. Was successful, but there were a couple of mercs shooting at me. After I did away with them, up pops this message that I've unlocked a safe house! Apparently the mercs at the safe house to the north of the area heard the commotion, and came down to investigate and got caught up in the fire fight. This is the first time I've had mercs from 3 different areas converge on the fight.
whoa LOL :-X :-X pity it's a one-timer
You see... during early playthroughs, I believe most of us would do anything NOT to draw too much attention in order to keep mercs away... and see where we are now... doing all the ruckus we can to draw as many mercs to our position as possible ;)
so true, especially Cock Fights... imagine a first through, just after the start, you go on your rescue mission, and start a war! ;D
Interesting points - I was just thinking this morning how easy it is go navigate through the FC2 world these days due primarily to the experience gained playing the game for so long. JRD is correct; when I first started playing, I slept until night, did my best to remain stealthy, and tried to melt into the scenery.
Now, I'm in a Unimog and when I approach a GP, I equip the .50 and try to take out the mercs with single shots from a distance most of the time quite successfully.
Thats my point... I just try stealth for the fun of getting the job done unseen, whereas in the beginning I was really hiding.
Now, most of the time I'm loud... I don't tap mercs on the shoulder, I use a sledgehammer ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: JRD on June 11, 2009, 11:14:47 AM
Now, most of the time I'm loud... I don't tap mercs on the shoulder, I use a sledgehammer ;D ;D ;D
I use the grenade truck to tap them on the shoulder, 8)
hahaha!! you guys :-X
Man, so true... I remember when I started my very first fight inside a cease fire zone, Pala, during an assessination mission. I was hiding in a bush, my heart racing, some mercs around me, and I spent like an hour hiding and crawling until I finally escaped! :)
You guys hesitate stealing the diamonds in the restricted area of Pala when you first started playing? I did - now I regularly go in to steal those two diamonds - usually can do so without starting a fight, but if I do, I just run away!
Actually no, the first time in Pala I noticed the blinking LED on my GPS and thought hell, looks easy... snuck around and grabbed it. Unnoticed. The angst came later ;D
Yeah sneaking in to the garage to get one of them is a fun thing in itself. I waited till the merc nearby wandered away for a pee or smoke or whatever then just crouched low , snuck in and the gem was mine.
the 2 in Pala are so easy the APR guy even stands and watches half the time - kind o why did first "comic" on them cos i reckon some players out there will be avoiding them 'on pain of death' but no need ;D
coincidently the UFLL one is where the guy having a piss gave me Heart faliure 1st time i went to grab that diamond...
I think that way I found out merx... (oop typo, lol @ typo) ...that merx respawn infinitely inside city walls.
I did a "mini" merc war this morning on the PS3 - was in southeast Bowa, racing north to outrace the Datsun dummy, but he kept after me until the intersection to the airfield! (I've never had him chase me that far). Also at the intersection was the ATP that typically patrols that area - I got jammed between the two and hopped out of my Unimog and backed away anticipating the fire fight when the Datsun dummy shot and killed the ATP merc! (Evidently he wanted me to himself.)
After killing the other guy, the Datsun dummy turned toward me, but by that time my Uni had caught flame, exploded, and landed on top of him - good because I would have hated to have to gun down the dummy that saved my life...
excellent story, PZ, I had to snicker when you wrote "I got jammed between the two" and started choking at "(Evidently he wanted me to himself.)" ;D ;D ;D ;D :-X
lol, thanks, Art - once one realizes that the merc wars are possible, you're likely to watch for this odd behavior at all times. :-X
indeed it has become my main side mission and pastime in FC2... trying everything possible to provoke some and always having fun at CockFights... I think the devs chose that name for the spot knowingly ;)
That's an interesting thought - it's exactly what I'd do if I were to program a game! :-X
PZ, you inspired me when you mentioned somewhere that you had a merc from Pala follow you. Today, just now, I started a town war at Pala just so the red Datsun from Pala bus stop would follow me out of town towards Cock Fights. After having reached the GP he and I stopped and he triggered a fight with the GPMercs, but it was too far for the CFMercs to hear, so my next attempt was to drive into CF so he would chase me. Instead, the white Datsun from the GP came after me (the red DD was dead already) and drove into the ditch next to the centre of CF and a fight ensued. One of the CFM grabbed the orange AT and drove towards the GP, starting another fight with them. Apparently he won because a little later I heard his AT screech towards the centre again and he actually parked that damn thing in its original garage LOL ;D ;D ;D This is going to be my new approach from now on.
I used the ignoreplayer cheat to ensure those mercs keep their undivided attention to themselves. ;)
Cool - I'm going to try your method - sounds like great fun, and I really enjoy "playing" the mercs against one another :-X
hehehe, same here :) I tried to have more than one merc from Pala follow me, no luck so far (they tend to ruin their cars on the way, still in town, and don't repair their cars for them as it seems to stop them somehow from catching up with what's going on edit: doesn't seem to be important - sometimes they follow, sometimes they don't). However, one merc is good enough, and he follows. Best is to avoid the old game of letting him ram you - you just race into CF centre so he keeps his car in shape. If it's halfways ruined, the GPM will stop him too easily. That's how it appears to me so far. Anyway, if you lead your PalaMerc to the GP and keep driving towards the centre of CF, you will hear the GPM shoot the PM and then they will follow you to CF which calls the CFM... it will cause mayhem :)
I wish that we'd posted these thoughts yesterday - this morning I did the barge mission again and after visiting with the Dr. in the clinic, I escaped town toward the east. I left slowly enough so that 5-6 mercs on foot chased me across the bridge out of town - unfortunately I did not wait to see if they crossed after me - would have been great to see if they would follow to the GP east of town.
I think that I'll start a fight next time I'm in Mosate Selao and see if they will follow me to the GP. :-X
good idea, I'll keep that in mind. Funny, really, that after all this time it never occurred to me to try to have mercs follow me from cease-fire zones by car. Actually, I didn't even know mercs would do that at all, so big thanks for sharing your idea :)
I'm glad that we stumble on these gems in the game and then have a place to express our thoughts - I know that for myself, I've received many more ideas than I've been able to contribute! Cheers to all contributors at OWG! ;) :-X
indeed, my thanks to all of you, too :)
I've just had another go, you see the orange CF-AT, the red Pala DD, my wreck, and some seconds later... use your imagination ;D
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What great fun, and you were able to capture it too! :-X
was a lucky "shot" :) I thought that it looked great, that orange AT swirling dust and nailing that DD with its hood popping off ;D
Oh gosh, I can't get that stupid grin off my face :) :) :) I just had another go at CF, only this time without ignoreplayer cheat. I did use god mode, though, because I wanted to know how far one can take the war ;D
Started a town fight at Pala, NW where that green Datsun is located. Pulled off towards Pala bus stop and waited for the PM to catch up, the red Datsun finally took off, so we raced towards the GP at CF. I had to drive smartly because that red PM tried to push me off track. The GP sent us a welcome message but both PM and me ignored it and continued driving into CF. The CFM raised the alarm and started after us in the orange CF AT. Now I had the red PM and an orange CFM after me... I drove on towards Scrap Salvage and a little beyond, where we met a Wrangler Patrol... I stopped to repair my car, the orange AT and the red Datsun while the mercs were shooting at each other (and at me) and took off again towards CF. I dragged some of those mercs behind me, passed CF (CFM had respawned) ensuing another fight, passed the GP resulting in another chase because they sent their white Datsun after me. I rushed towards Pala, white GPM after me until we entered the cease-fire zone. The GPM got confused, steered his white Datsun angrily round and round, bumping into rocks, and finally fell off the cliff next to the bridge. I got out to have a look, and enjoyed the sounds coming from under water... a final drowning sound ended the story.
Before I continued writing here I wanted to check again, shot my M79 into Pala, had the new red Datsun follow me, and the story was about the same as above, only there were still some stray mercs on the way from the previous ruckus, so there was some extra fun involved :)
Man, this is crazy, and I am still chuckling about how those mercs hate each other LOL ;D
Edit:
I never realised there was a Wrangler Patrol close to Scrap Salvage and how close that was to CF. Now I used him to follow me into CF, a fight started, and that attracted the GP mercs who joined the fight. LOL, another way to do it ;D
Using ignoreplayer, the Wrangler followed the grenade sounds from my M79, always stopped where they set off... a nice way to sucker him into CF ;D
Having passed CF towards Scrap Salvage, the pursuing CFM got out to stop me, while I got out to repair my AT which got hit by the Wrangler Patrol. In the pic you see the Wrangler Merc (again) trying to man my AT while being shot at by CFM (used that dirty red Datsun to get there)
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In the next pic you see another Wrangler Patrol driving into CF, starting another fight.
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This is really fun :)
You know what, it's even more you can add to that chain of events... Driving from Pala, passing the GP, passing CF, passing Scrap Salvage, passing the junction to Police Station, you get to a bridge with another GP. During that race I picked up all kinds of mercs and started shootings all over the place. On my way back I was chased by the Bridge GP Merc in his AT, followed by some merc who had appropriated a Datsun, and the Wrangler Patrol... all of us driving like lunatics through Cock Fights ;D
You see the Bridge-AT and the DD, not in the pic the Wrangler Patrol. Pic taken in Cock Fights LOL
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Fantastic chain of events Art! I need to try this too - I'm really enjoying starting merc fights. On a slightly related note, I had this experience this morning.
Was driving toward Mosate Selao from the armory to the east - passed through the GP where a merd gave chase in a Jeep. As expected, he did not enter the cease fire zone so I played with him a bit. If I was entirely in the CZ (gun lowered) he would stop attacking me. When I moved toward him (gun raised) he started shooting - doing this repeatedly caused him to enter the CZ and he lowered his gun.
However, unlike the merc in Pala who said nothing, this one from the GP talked like a regular town merc. Because we were still on the outskirts of town, I pointed my 6P9 at his head and he raised arms, backing off, telling me that I don't want to do that. Naturally I shot him in the head and to my surprise my weapon lowered itself and I did not trigger alarm in town.
Hehe :) The last merc I had me follow from CF to Pala entered the CZ and after firing one last burst he turned and walked towards the town centre. I did the same as you, pointed my gun at him and he too started chatting. Only when I fired at him, I got blasted by the townsfolk. I was way closer to the centre than you I guess (already in sight of those town mercs).
Right now I drive in circles around CF trying to pick up and drag along as many patrols and GPM as possible, turning the entire area into a warzone :) All this works only without ignoreplayer cheat, but godmode is recommendable ;)
I've a couple of hours today to spare and am going to try your methods - cheers for the instructions!
After the experience I had this morning, I tried working one of the town mercs toward the edge of town to see if I could perform the reverse. I managed to get him onto one of the back roads, but in my excitement to try the method, I evidently had not gone far enough because one of the town mercs saw me off the guy and I had to run for it. Will try again, this time herding the merc farther from sight.
Well, I've spent most of the day playing merc wars... Haven't had that much fun with FC2 for quite some time (of course FC2 is always FC2, great game, but this is simple and pure fun). A side effect of all that driving around Cock Fights is that I now don't need the map any more in that area. Never knew how CF and SS (erm... better not use that abbreviation lol) Scrap Salvage were connected and located, same goes for patrols in that area... was a good training for that matter :) Anyway, I found a lot of patrols and managed to make GPM follow me, sometimes it reminded me of a convoy or a destruction derby ;D It was also nice to learn how to have Pala Mercs involved... the entire area around CF is a big playground for merc wars. Pity the console players can't use a godmode though, but we PC players can have a great time with it :)
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That's about how many mercs you can drag to CockFights ;D (had to finish them off to take that pic, though)
white-Pala Bridge
green-inside Pala (nw)
red-inside Pala (bus stop)
red-guard post patrol (nw of CF)
red-CF
white-GP CF
Driven by those mercs that were around and they appropriated them for a chase ;D
I drove to Pala with a Datsun, left it at the bus stop, took the green Datsun, started a fight, and had those two red Datsuns follow me, mercs from CF GP grabbed the two white Datsuns, the CFM grabbed their red Datsun... big chaos lol
wow; I'm going to need much more practice before I'm capable of collecting that many! :-X
just noticed you posted before I finished editing... :)
More ways:
Pala-CockFights war:
Enter Pala with whatever car, most fun a Datsun, leave it next to the red Datsun by the bus station, and steal the white Pala-AT ;D That is causing a nice chase, two Datsuns following you to CF. If you're lucky, you can drag the GP Datsun with you into CF ;D
When the mercs are finished off, use the orange CF-AT and leave the area towards Scrap Salvage. The trick is, when you return, CF won't have an AT... it doesn't respawn until you destroy it or use another vehicle :)
Test a shortcut through bushes and grass on leaving the area, so you know how to escape or enter CF more effectively. You can take almost a straight line from CF, aim for the big shark fin-like dark rock before you have to turn right towards Scrap Salvage. Drive on straight, pass ScrS, pass the next junction, and head for the GP in front of the bridge. There you either meet a Wrangler Patrol (follows best if you turn immediately and head back to CF) or make that GP send a dirty blue AT after you. I just had both the Wrangler and the blue AT follow me. The AT might perforate your engine, so maybe it is a good idea to shoot the gunner if possible. Or use godmode and repair your car if it starts to emit black smoke. When you arrive at CF, stop and go - the mercs will start a fight with each other. You can drive to the GP on the other end of CF and return, dragging them after you. When you arrive again, take cover and watch the mayhem :)
lol, that web is intricately woven! On an aside, is there an AT in Pala? I can't recall finding one (however, I miss many things!)
in the restricted area is a garage - coming in from the bus stop, go right towards Mike's, then you can see the white house with the diamond in it, as well as a white AT :)
Ah yes, I recall - forgot all about the ATs in the garage because I'm so viciously attacked when I go in there. ;D
I walked around the garage to the gateway. One merc was on the right, next to the garage, and one was inside the garage. I killed the "outsider" first, then the one in the garage, got into the AT unmolested and drove towards the bus stop. That's when all hell broke loose, but I was already escaping full speed. Didn't even smoke my engine, but the Datsun came flying by - they've got to have nitro on board, bastards ;D
Just on a sidenote, I just managed to steal the white Pala AT unnoticed. Apparently the Town Mercs are not always inside the garage or next to it.
I've not managed to pull anything off at CF yet, I tend to just ram right through there and into Pala on my way back from somewhere.
However, (did I post this already?) I did manage to have a guy in a SUV follow me on my way to the medicine house near the Fort when it needed to be unlocked.
Tried to ram the first guy I saw, only to hit a road block board and stop dead, so jumped out of my vehicle, torched the two guys in front of me, but took enough hits to the back on the way there and while pulling in to drop me into "run away and heal" mode. So I go left and around the building.
Then I hear screeching and screaming.
I step back around the building to see the SUV ramming dudes.
Forward, kill, reverse, kill, forward kill.
I was like "Oh wow", but also my reflexes for self preservation kicked in
and I fired a grenade just as the car was surrounded by blazing gunmen.
Safehouse unlocked.
I've tried using the flaregun to attract enemies to each other, but it never seems to w@&k.
It's hard to tell which faction is manning which place most of the time.
Guess I should pay more attention to their ripped posters when scouting.
they don't use uniforms - so when they mix you'll never know. The posters may be a good idea, for some reason I too never found any time to study them while amidst a fight for my life... hehe :) Maybe kill the mercs, check for posters, and try to memorise those. Hmm. Who knows :) Some "Guard Posts" don't seem to have those faction posters, however, especially those small ones. I didn't think it really had to do with factions, because I tried to drag various patrols and mercs with me across the map, and they usually just joined forces. The only "secure" place for mayhem seems to be around CF. The only other time I ever managed to start a war was at Goka Falls, when I had to kill one of their leaders, and I made some mercs follow me back down to the river. They attacked the boat house mercs, more like a feud than a war ;)
Quite often I've encountered dead mercs in various areas and I recall one in particular - a GP north of the bus stop in Bowa. Several times I've seen a dead merc in the road, and one time I was stealthily approaching and made my way to the metal roof of one of the shacks at the GP when I saw a patrol come through and run down one of the GP mercs. It was quite funny actually, the merc afoot casually strolled across the road expecting the patrol to stop, and just as casually, the driver of the assault truck ran him over with out blinking an eye. For those of you in the States, it reminded me of the Geico auto insurance advertisements where the squirrel runs a car off the road.
I just had an idea about what may cause some (not all) of those events where you see dead mercs or stray mercs. I think iGames3D mentioned that the game renders only part of the area, and when you enter the next area, it will be rendered just by then. Now the tricky part: When you shoot a grenade really far, so far you don't even hear it explode, it may have left the rendered area and remains "on hold" until the next area has to be rendered. That is when you go somewhere and all of a sudden hear an explosion. Probably your own grenade, setting off nearby. I can now imagine that grenades that set off not just nearby, actually far enough so you don't hear them, will also lure mercs into checking it out. That's basically one way how you start merc wars. Maybe that explains several strange incidents :)
Interesting idea, and sounds plausible :-X
Just for fun, I loaded one of Art's merc war saves and captured this video - it graphically depicts what happens when the mercs attack one another. I used the ignore_player cheat so the mercs would focus on each other rather than me.
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hehe, last words in your movie "launch a flare" - "you got it" <popfsssssss POFF>
good addition to this topic, nice :) :-X
Thanks - having much fun with the ignore_player cheat - allows you to see things you never could otherwise due to the aggressive nature of the mercs.
I'm just "back" from using ignoreplayer cheat a lot, and funny thing, I can say the same, without it "allows you to see things you never could otherwise" - like mercs chasing you from their posts across the map ;D
That's when a quick switch comes in handy, ie. "uh-oh, there's some mercs there, them shootin' me up just ain't gonna happen" -- hit F5 (quick save), alt-f4 to desktop, double-click all cheats shortcut, and voilà, peace and quiet while passing them :) And hell yes, it's so much quieter to travel, or even: cruise, across the land, when you're using ignoreplayer.
Sure would have been great if the writers of the trainer software would have put in a toggle to allow a single key press to switch between ignore_player and normal mode. Would have added tremendously to my sense of immersion to be able to travel to a mission area enjoying the scenery. :-X
well, at least we (PC) are able to cheat at all, one of the reasons I don't envy console players ;)
Indeed. I was just playing with the teleport system in the trainer where you can save up to 3 locations and instantly teleport back to that position. One was at Mike's Leboa, and another was at the bus stop in Pala - the idea is to have quick transport between the armory, Pala bus stop, and from there to most anywhere in Leboa easily. Although it kind of works, half the time I end up beneath the map looking up at the underside of Pala!
I think D_B mentioned long ago that the teleport system was buggy. However, it might be a good idea to go back on topic in case some people are more interested in merc wars than in how to cheat, if you agree :)
On topic,
I managed to sucker a merc from CF GP to follow me into Pala, and had him continue shooting at me (god mode on to extend that test) - strangely, the townsfolk was not present. My weapon was in an inoffensive position while he kept shooting at me. No other merc was there to stop him or attack him for violating cease-fire.
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I managed to get a merc to follow me into ...uh the southern main town.
He changed his behavior, gave up shooting at me.
So I bumped him back to the edge of town (my rep was at 3 or 4) where nobody would see, then executed him to teach him a lesson about harassing me.
Mosate Selao, or Port Selao, in Bowa :) Nice, looking forward to visiting the south again soon... Did the townsfolk of Port Selao take any notice of you administering justice? :)
I'm currently on my third through, at 20% in Leboa, one buddy side mission and all assassination missions to go, then the rest of the main missions. Will take some time, and meanwhile I drive through CF as often as possible for some fun :)
I mentioned something similar a short time ago - in Mosate Selao (I could be wrong but that's what I call the main town; I call the place where the barge docks Port Selao). Lured a merc from the eastern GP into within town limits, executed the bloke and no one took notice in town. Don't know if it was a glitch or if it is repeatable.
I always thought Port=Mosate, but hell, who knows. :)
Probably is, but because two names for the same place doesn't make sense to me, I renamed them in my own thoughts! ;D
I think that's repeatable - if mercs wouldn't notice while they are "un-ceasefired" then they won't in the ceasefire zones. So if they don't hear it, and don't see it, they don't care...I once shot a target in the center of Monate Selao with a dart rifle. I don't think anyone was watching and since it was a headshot and silenced, they didn't hear it either. Though that doesn't explain why I can execute a merc in the streets of Pala when he gets mouthy with me and nobody looks at me funny after that...
I always try to be out of sight and earshot, but still the entire town jumps when I try to kill someone "silently" and "unnoticed" :)
Come to think of it, they do that if they have seen me before. I remember I killed a couple of mercs who saw and heard me in Sefapane, but the other half of the town hadn't seen nor heard me, so they didn't care. Maybe getting into town unnoticed is the trick... but indeed that doesn't explain how it's possible to shoot someone in the middle of a street without raising the alarm.
It is rare that I've been able to kill a merc without every other guy in the place immediately aware of that fact. For instance, I like to go to the 3rd floor in the Church towers in Mosate and Sefapane to do a bit of sniping, and after I fire the first dart, every merc in town is immediately firing on my position. I think I'll try waiting until I see a merc off by himself and see what I can do - would be fun.
Yeah, I like to do that too, PZ, and like you I haven't been able to pull off whacking one merc without the rest being immediately aware of it. As has been said, it must depend on whether the target makes any sound when he buys it or is in line of sight of the others.
A funny thing happened to me in Sefapane yesterday. As I drove my 'mog into town, I heard someone say, "We've got a live one!", and all the mercs in town immediately started gunning for me. I didn't run over anybody coming into town or anything, nor had I been having any combat anywhere nearby, so why they went for me I don't know. I guess they were just bored and wanted to liven things up a bit! ;D
I've read a couple of times about the player getting shot at in a cease-fire zone, looked like a glitch. All I can think of is that you might have crossed a restricted area, if it wasn't a glitch.
Without a single shot.
I had one whole play through in both Pala and Mosato Selao where every time I accepted a faction mission the whole surrounding town would kick into alert and I'd have to sneak or blast my way out as well as I could. It just added some spice to the game.
Also sometimes when I bus into Port Selao, I get the "Escape Ceasefire Zone" message as soon as I jump into the Jeep to drive into town. Because the faction door guards are also after me there's no sneaking in and I have to drive east out of Selao on the train tracks until it resets and I can drive back in normally.
That would be funny if it wasn't sad... It's alright if you provoke an argument, but the game playing games on you is a plain bug. Nice of you taking it like a sportsman, "it just added some spice to the game" :-X
Quote from: mandru on October 08, 2009, 11:14:00 AM
It just added some spice to the game.
A true merc/philosopher! ;D
So.... wait. I'm a tad confused...... how exactly do you start said merc wars?
You just go to the prescribed place, and start shooting/exploding everything?
Not exactly - the only place that it is easy for me personally to start a merc war is in the Cock Fight arena. I start from Pala, and race through the GP (guard post) east of town on the way to the arena. The mercs there give chase in their AT (assault truck). but as I (and they) race through the arena area, the mercs there begin shooting at all of us, thus starting a fight between the mercs. Keep going until you get past the arena and then turn around. If you are lucky enough, they will not see you walking back, but you will be able to see them fighting one another.
Alternately, if you're on PC, download Art's saved game and you're in the midst of a fight you can witness. Use the ignore_player cheat and they will not see you.
Indeed, the only true place for merc wars is Cock-Fights, and best enjoyed with ignoreplayer cheat. It does w@&k without, thought. The trick is, make some noise away from you (throw a grenade, detonate an IED or the likes) and make it so that both the CF mercs and the guard post mercs want to investigate. If you did it right, both parties will meet in the middle and start killing each other. If you're in between without cheat, they will most likely chase you down and that will spoil the fun ;)
Today I've witnessed again a little merc war at Goka Falls, around the mission when you have to kill a faction leader up there. I entered the area, ran past the shooting pier mercs at the mouth of that canyon, jumped into the river, crossed it, and ran up the hill, following that path, and went out of sight of the mercs. When I arrived at the bridge, I heard gunshots down at the pier. Obviously the ruckus when I ran past those mercs attracted some other mercs and a firefight ensued. It gave me time to shoot the single guard at my side with my 6P9 and the only visible merc on the other side of the bridge with a dart. I crossed the bridge, looked inside that mansion and donated a third nostril to the faction leader. I escaped via the same route. Only down at the river, near the pier, two victorious mercs were loitering, so I needed to shoot them too. This was the most silent Goka Falls mission so far for me.
Previously (I had a savegame for that) I had tried a different method, yet again I had left those pier mercs alive. I detonated an IED on the wall of the mansion and torched the bridge so it collapsed, preventing those mercs to cross the chasm. The explosion and the shooting must have attracted mercs from down the river, as some time later a firefight ensued behind and to the left of the mansion.
I don't know if it is only those two parties or if a patrol from the roads comes into play there, but it has been the third merc war I witnessed there (first time the mercs from the bridge came running after me and attacked the pier mercs) :)
By the way, one time only, I witnessed a DD (Datsun Dummy) and a PAT (lol, PatrollingAssaultTruck, usually ATP, ATParol) near the airfield in Bowa fighting each other. It was halfways between the bridge near Marina and the Airfield, the DD came after me, and an AT showed up, and they killed my car and each other :)
Nicely done :-X
I never realised this before, but in Bowa, along the eastern lakeside road, the patrolling .50 cal AT and the DD are NOT on the same side. I only became aware of it when the DD was pursuing me northwards away from the Marina and we ran into the AT. The mercs in both vehicles got out and immediately started shooting at each other while I nicked off into the shrubs. Finally there was only one of them left - but not for long ;D
Cool find fragger! :-X
Nice finds, fragger and Art. :-X
I will have to watch out for this myself. :)
thanks, wexer9 :)
Cheers, guys!
Something I found out recently about the classic merc war at Cock-Fights: If you start a merc war there and immediately leave while both factions are about to fight or already started fighting, in many cases you'll lay the foundation for a new merc war that will ensue as soon as you return to the area.
How? Well, they tend to throw grenades. Grenades that have been thrown while you were leaving the area will not explode. However, when you return, the area picks up on how you left it, and the grenade will explode. Of course, the mercs will be in their original places, yet they'll think someone threw a grenade (which is true) and try to find out what is going on. They will soon find each other and start another merc war...
I did that three times in a row, and each time I returned from Mike's Bar or somewhere else, a grenade would set off, alarming the mercs of the guard post, and I heard them talk across each other "what the hell was that?" "Let's check it out!" and so on... hehehe ;D
Awesome, Art, awesome. :-X
I really have to try this sometime. :)
Cheers, wexer9 ;D Do it, it is the best pastime I can think of during the Leboa part of the game :)
By the way:
Quote from: mandru on January 31, 2010, 09:47:50 PMCool find fragger! :-X
I just happened to read the entire topic again and found this:
Quote from: PZ on June 21, 2009, 09:38:19 AM
I did a "mini" merc war [...] in southeast Bowa [...] anticipating the fire fight when the Datsun dummy shot and killed the ATP merc!
So PZ found out about it long ago, while fragger and I happened to see it for ourselves only just recently :)
Quote from: Art Blade on February 13, 2010, 01:04:11 PM
Quote from: PZ on June 21, 2009, 09:38:19 AM
I did a "mini" merc war [...] in southeast Bowa [...] anticipating the fire fight when the Datsun dummy shot and killed the ATP merc!
So PZ found out about it long ago, while fragger and I happened to see it for ourselves only just recently :)
@PZ - I doff my hat to you, sir ;D
me too: tip of the hat, PZ :)
lol, I'd forgotten all about that one, but thanks for the reminder guys! ;)
That's cool what you discovered about the grenades, Art - the whole "merc war" thing is intriguing - I sometimes wonder how carnage has occurred in an area that I've just entered. Many times I've seen the aftermath of some kind of conflict between the mercs. One time I even watched it while it happened - was on a rock overlooking the GP north of the southeast bus stop in Bowa - heard an ATP approaching and just watched what would happen. The driver casually ran over a merc walking across the road and a fight broke out. This is not the first time I've seen that GP wiped out, but was definitely the first time I'd seen it happen first hand.
I have trouble finding that GP north of the bus stop to the south east of Bowa... All I can think of is Underground, Airfield, maybe the GP behind the airfield... or the one you pass when entering Port Selao, near the arms dealer... can you please go a little more into detail? :)
oops, my mistake - I just checked the map and it's Leboa, not Bowa - sorry for the mix-up!
don't worry :)
I have started and watched several merc wars at Cockfights but was able to start a Merc war at a GP I couldn't recall ever visiting before .
I was running the GP south of the Dental Clinic (the one with the sniper tower) trying to get back to Mosate-Selao. I had two AT's on my tail by the time I reached the highway intersection just west of the railroad tracks. I was so preoccupied with evading the AT's I made a wrong turn at that intersection and ended up in the middle of a well manned GP at the river's edge.
I jumped out and got behind a rock for cover, shooting one merc on the way.
As the pursuing AT's crashed into mine, I heard a terrific fire fight but was surprised that it was not directed at me. I peeked around the corner and watched as a merc on the AT's machine gun and another on foot battled it out with 3-4 mercs.
Unlike the merc wars at Cockfights where I observe from a distance, this battle was fought just yards in front of me and I was able to see blood splatter from the mercs as they were hit. This went on for about an minute and then I stepped out and mopped up.
Nice story :)
It doesn't happen often, but patrols on wheels may end up shooting it out with a GP you lured them to. For example, I occasionally started a merc war between Cock-Fights and the Jeep Wrangler that patrols the road from around the intersection to Scrap Salvage and around the GP at the next bridge.
Oh. Only four and a half years, since the last post. :( But at least it's not over yet. :)
I had a very funny moment. Casually passing through Cock-Fights, I had of course to start a merc war. Never pass it without starting one :)
Then something happened what some of you said they never or barely ever saw, mercs firing a flare to call for help. I heard that merc go, "we need help," so I knew he'd fire a flare and tried to take a screenie because it looks so nice at night (they do fire flares in broad daylight, too).
Note the fine white line, anything white there near the centre of the pic, next to my scope. That's the flare about to pop..
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Much rather than shooting it up into the sky, that dumbo had hit something not far above him, supposedly a branch of a tree, as the flare came straight back at him and popped on the ground, setting him on fire ("oh-oh-oh-oh-uaaaaaargh!") :laugh: LOL :laugh:
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Nice one! I frequently see them shoot off flares, but have not seen a merc torch himself yet!
Priceless! Ha ha ha! :laugh:
That's mercs for you :laugh:
it's also funny when they toss a grenade and it comes bouncing back at them. BLAM! AAAAARGH! :laugh:
Gotta love 'em :-()
I love it when a group of mercs are firing on your position and one of them goes all gung ho and rushes you only to find himself picking up friendly fire.
Hey, hey. Hey!!!
:laugh: I forgot about that - haven't seen it in a while. I have to admit that the mercs are the most interesting AI I have seen in any game
nice one, mandru -- that hey hey hey still makes me grin :)
The AI idle animations and the incredible amount of merc dialogues are the best I've ever come across and they make me enjoy this game so much. I keep saying it, FC2 isn't such a great game in my books and I only find it fun using cheats but the aforementioned AI is the best and perhaps the only reason why I have been playing the game for so long.
Me too :-D
I also love it when you hear the panicked merc who blubbers on about how he wishes he had never come here, says "I want to go home, I want to go home", and goes on about how he never should have bought the f**king ticket, never should have gotten on the f**king plane, etc. I can't remember how it all goes, but it's priceless :-()
I remember that line, fragger, seems to me it was reputation dependent. Only heard it in Bowa, and then only when my reputation was high enough
that assumption of yours is correct, PZ, it is rep dependent. :)
Besides the limited pirate/privateer dialog (as previously mentioned) their lack of change in emotional demeanor depending on your reputation as you've built it up has been one of the things I've sorely missed in FC3.
From the very first ambush in FC3 everyone knows your name and they are all coming to get you and in the after game thrashing around for kicks (even after you've killed all their bosses and thousands of them to boot) they all still charge in headlong with the exact same taunts and challenges. :(
I can sum up the merc talk in FC3 in a single word: BORING (to the point of being irritating)
I hope that has been improved in FC4, but I doubt it :D
Quote from: PZ on October 31, 2014, 11:09:02 AM
I hope that has been improved in FC4, but I doubt it :D
I double doubt it. The merc conversations in FC2 are unequalled until today :)
Like you guys, I doubt that, too.
From what I have heard so far (vids) the FC4 mercs sound like a copy of those of JustCause2 and I even heard known lines. What I haven't heard yet is, "it's all me!" I think the moment I hear that in any FC4 footage, the fate of FC4 will be sealed.
With tar and feathers.
:laugh:
Quote from: Binnatics on June 13, 2014, 09:30:50 AM
"Rocks and snow, rocks and snow... You know what you get when you mix these two? Cold hands!!!!" :angel:
:-()