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Title: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on October 31, 2012, 09:44:32 AM
Running around in Boston is a treat.  You feel much like the free spirit when running the rooftops in Italy, but free running does seem much more fluid, especially in diagonal moves; much improved over earlier AC versions.

Horses have returned, and are very useful when you go out of the city into the wilderness.  The graphics are excellent, and on par with AC Revelations at least on the PS3.  The weather detail is good; sometimes you run through snow, and it is not uniformly deep.  You can run through the shallow snow and are kind of wading through the heavy accumulation, and the tracks you leave are impressive - very realistically makes it look like powder snow.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on October 31, 2012, 09:52:03 AM
Free running through the trees when you play as Connor is loads of fun because it is not easy to fall out of the trees like you would have in prior AC iterations.  Even an uncoordinated old gamer like me feels quite agile in this game.  :-X
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on October 31, 2012, 10:08:09 AM
Hunting is now in the game, much like is experienced in Red Dead Redemption.  You are taught how to hunt, and it appears that it will be now how you pay for items in the shops.  You cannot pick pocket any more (at least not through memory sequences 1-4 so far).

It is kind of fun; you can sneak up behind a deer and then ambush it with your knife.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on October 31, 2012, 10:36:13 AM
I'm glad that you enjoy the game so much, PZ :) Have fun  :-X :)
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on October 31, 2012, 10:50:52 AM
Thanks!  Yeah, I had to put Medal of Honor on hold to start this game.  I also purchased the DLC "subscription" which adds 3 extra SP missions when they become available.  >:D
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on November 01, 2012, 12:34:51 AM
nice. :) keep having fun, old chap  :-D :-X
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 01, 2012, 08:39:58 AM
Unlike Revelations where you are mainly focused on a single large city, the AC3 map is more like AC2 in which you transport to entirely different areas, and there are regions within those areas.  For instance, I am now in a large forested area and have not encountered any humans, but wild game is plentiful.  My charge is to get to the mission site which is a far distance from my original site, so I'm navigating through mountainous areas with a deep gorge (plus river) heading in that general direction.  So far I have not encountered transportation of any kind (not even a horse).

I'm still playing as a young Connor, in my buckskins with bow and axe.

The world is large and beautiful; somewhat reminiscent of the scenes you see in the movie Last of the Mohicans.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 01, 2012, 04:27:27 PM
Hell PZ... I whish I had a PS now to play ACIII

Since you cannot come up with a few screenies I'm putting a youtube vid I was watching today to illustrate what you are experiencing

Assassin's Creed 3 E3 Demo Gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCjso70FeIo#ws)

Man... this game ROCKS!!!!!!

I noticed a cursor like spot on top of Connor's head... it seems to let the player know where are enemies or NPCs you can interact with in the game... also the game looks really smooth and integrated with the scenarios!!

Have fun and keep us posted mate!
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 01, 2012, 04:32:20 PM
Well... and here is a video depicting Boston and a few more insights on gameplay!

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Assassin's Creed 3 - Boston demo commented walkthrough Trailer [UK] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNgh5WiMbBM#ws)
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 01, 2012, 04:38:33 PM
Man, JRD, that first video you posted is exactly what it feels like in the game; great job finding that one!

I've been to that fort on a mission but not that particular one; evidently you do more than one mission in that particular area.

The hunting feels pretty much like you see in the video  :-X

One other thing you can do that is cool is ride on top of a sort of covered wagon, and in fact, in the mission I did to the fort in the video you posted, I actually hid inside the wagon to get past the guards at the fort entrance.  I did not know there was a back way into the fort!

Now I see you just posted another video and I get to watch that one!  >:D
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 01, 2012, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: PZ on October 31, 2012, 09:52:03 AM
Free running through the trees when you play as Connor is loads of fun because it is not easy to fall out of the trees like you would have in prior AC iterations.  Even an uncoordinated old gamer like me feels quite agile in this game.  :-X

The videos I posted right now in this thread show how smoothly you can interact with the environment. Eyes used to see a clear path in previous AC games are no longer able to spot it in AC3.... the trees are really well done and the movements are really organic with the landscape. I couldn't see Connor going through the cracks in the rocky scarpment near the enemy camp till he climb up and go!!!!

Great game!!! Great, great game!!!
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 01, 2012, 04:47:04 PM
WOW!  I've not even begun to play the game when I see what is eventually coming up - I'm still playing as young Connor and do not have the dual weapon capability yet

oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy  >:D

It's such a shame the PC version is so delayed because you and mandru will likely play this one for a long time to come.  However, the up side is that the graphics will likely be even more stunning!
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 01, 2012, 04:47:58 PM
One other thing - the grass that you crouch in reminds me of hiding in the grass in FC2, only this grass works!  :-()
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 01, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
Hehehehehe... cool thing they added a stealth grass like this!

I'm actually playing AC2 now even though I still have GTAIV and Max Payne 3 to go..... can't wait to see what Connor is saving for me!!!

Also I am now reading about ACII epidode 1, episode 2... what's that? Are the sequences grouped into chapters within the same game or Ep 1 is one game, Ep 2 will be the next game and so on??
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 01, 2012, 04:56:04 PM
That's a good question and I do not have the answer.  The game feels like the predecessors with missions within sequences.

Another thing to add - the story line is rich with detail, and definitely keeps your interest.  Lots of cut scenes (which I usually don't like too much) but quite well done so it almost feels like you are living in the movie.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 01, 2012, 05:23:49 PM
I don't see the franchise coming to an end now so I guess AC3 won't be the last game.

There may not be an AC4 but just like AC2 had Brotherhood and Revelations following, I can only guess Connor will have a few more adventures to come in the following years!!
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 01, 2012, 05:29:48 PM
I sure hope so; the AC series are still some of my top favorites  :-X

Oh, and like the others, the music as always, is wonderful  :-X
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 02, 2012, 07:31:48 AM
ANd what about Connor? Is he a character you feel connected to? It's gonna be hard to beat what Ezio meant for everybody who played AC2, AC:B and AC:R and saw the young reckless Ezio turn into an experienced aged assassin.

I just hope they mingle Connor's story to the general Assassin's vs Templars background in a way we get to connect to the characters.

In one of the videos I posted he tells a man in blue coat: "I don't care about the war, I just want the Templar" which shows Connor is already familiar with the big picture there so it is probably a more advanced starting point for him than it was for Ezio!
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 02, 2012, 09:32:41 AM
I think we will become quite fond of Connor, which is not his real name, which is naturally Indian.  It is a name given to him by his mentor, an old guy who thinks that he needs to blend in to the crowd better.  In fact the old guy mentions that Connor is light complected enough to pass for an Italian or Spaniard  :laugh:

As to the Templar, you will be amazed at what you discover!
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on November 02, 2012, 12:44:18 PM
Guys, now I'm interested in AC3.  :)

Reminds me of the original AC2 when PZ and spaceboy were playing through while the PC guys had to wait a long, long time..
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 02, 2012, 02:19:03 PM
That's correct; I remember that!  ^-^

I wonder if space is playing AC3; miss "seeing" him around here

I think you'd like the game, Art; this is the first time I've been really excited about a game in quite a while (since the release of Revelations).  Sure, I've played a few games that I like and keep me interested, but sometimes a game keeps drawing me in to the point where I'm really thrilled to be firing up the 'ol console.  AC3 is one of them.  ^-^
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on November 02, 2012, 03:39:44 PM
I read your review and indeed, I might eventually get AC3 I should think  ^-^
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 02, 2012, 07:05:34 PM
I was climbing a building in Boston (an old brick church) and noticed that brick and mortar dust was crumbling beneath my feet.  What great attention to detail, and I am looking forward to more  :-X
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 02, 2012, 08:56:53 PM
Quote from: PZ on October 31, 2012, 10:08:09 AM
...You cannot pick pocket any more (at least not through memory sequences 1-4 so far).

I'm pleased to report that the ability to pick people's pockets returns when you visit Boston  ^-^
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: mandru on November 02, 2012, 09:20:20 PM
Quote from: PZ on November 02, 2012, 02:19:03 PM

I wonder if space is playing AC3; miss "seeing" him around here


I started to wonder too and decided it was easier to simply find out by looking up one of his posts and visiting his site.  He's into it and looking like he's loving it.  :-X

Also as an interesting aside I've started seeing 500GB PS3 + AC3 bundles for $300USD over the last few days in junk mail adverts.  I'm tempted as I'm anxious to get into the game which was part of the motivation to upgrade my PC.  However I'm hard pressed to be an additional $300 worth of motivated to accomplish that.  :-\\

I'm more inclined towards a 3D Blu-ray just now.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 04, 2012, 10:44:06 PM
I hear you mandru; gaming on two or more platforms means that you have purchased the game 2 or more times, which goes against my grain under normal circumstances.  However, because I tend to game in the morning on the console in my bed, and on the PC relaxing after dinner, i feel it is worth the extra effort and $.  However, because I game much more in the mornings, I tend to purchase first for the console and then if the game is worthy, purchase again for the PC.  The way I figure it, life is too short to worry about the $60 that it takes to purchase a game - I get so much enjoyment out of it.

Back on topic, I met George Washington this morning, and he seems an affable chap.  In the same room was Charles Lee, an infamous Templar who somehow is involved in the revolution.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 09, 2012, 10:13:43 PM
I just watched one of the developer videos in which the claim is that the game lasts 30 hours long, and the cinematic parts have a 2.5 hour duration.  That alone is like a full length movie, and then some.

For me, the cinematics are a bit over done because they occur in a frequency too high for my tastes.  While they are good, I often feel like I would rather play the game than watch video.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 10, 2012, 04:08:00 AM
Guess I saw the same video... and you can't skip the cutscenes, can you?  ????
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 10, 2012, 10:49:37 AM
Some you can and others you cannot.  It seems like the main story ones you need to suffer through, but that is not too bad because it increases your understanding of the story.  It would be nice if you could skip them once you complete the game and start a fresh one.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 10, 2012, 10:56:26 AM
Because of the new engine, this game is lots more complex (therefore realistic) than prior games.  There is so much I still have to experience, and it is going to take dozens of hours to get it all done.

Although watching the walk through videos of the main missions has me cringing (many timed events), the side missions and exploration in the game is fantastic - better than in any prior game.  :-X
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 11, 2012, 08:38:25 PM
Naval battle mission

I did the first of the naval missions today, and it was lots of fun.  I won't go into details, but you pilot the ship, control the sails, and also the guns.  You need to pay attention to rogue winds (go aground if sailing too fast).  You ship is more nimble if at half-sail, but you cannot catch your opponents by staying at that state; full sail is necessary.  You can also upgrade your ship if you have enough money - so far I have done nothing.

You have a choice of using deck guns, or the main cannon.  The broadside guns can be loaded with ball, or chain depending on what you want to accomplish (sink versus disable).

Very impressive so far; the naval missions are very well done.  I did not think you could be responsible for so much control yet still accomplish the mission in a reasonable number of tries.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 11, 2012, 08:41:38 PM
Weather effects

What a great addition to the game!  When it rains, snows, or you experience any kind of bad weather, the ability of the Brittish to detect you is diminished.  I was climbing  a view point building when it began to rain.  As I started up the side, the brick was dry and powdery-looking, and when the rain soaked the walls, it was shiny with water, and looked very realistic.

The same can be said for the cobblestone streets, and as you walk you can hear the water sloshing beneath your feet.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: mandru on November 20, 2012, 07:50:41 AM
In both AC2 and AC:R there was a period of time close to the beginning of the games where it was helpful to build up as much cash and gear as possible before the Templars really became aware of your presence.  The more foundational cred you built up made it way easier to slip into the story line.  Being well heeled from as early on as possible insured that you were well equipped to enjoy the game without having to fuss over trying to maintain operational funds and gear acquisition once things became more critically oriented on working through the sequences.

Is there a point in AC3 where this is possible and if so at what point of the game is that advisable to pursue?
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 20, 2012, 10:25:05 AM
mandru... allow me to answer you.

Having played through all AC games more than once (except Revelations... yet) just like you described, i.e., building up money and gear before the story advances too much, I realised one thing: You can actually go through the main storyline missions without much gear and/or money, leaving aside pretty much half the game's content, and yet reach the end of the game!

It will however make you skip most of the joy of playing an incredible game like Assassins Creed. As you are aware, exploring and doing side missions play an important role in immersing you into the story. You gather enough resources to be, as you said, equiped with the best armor and wielding the best weapons to get you through tough missions without too much desynching which will lead to frustration.

The game's monetary system is so well balanced that it takes a while for you to get familiarized with all the details involved in maintaining a steady income in order to purchase all you want and need. It will eventually get you through the whole map in different situations and put you in contact with so many different characters.

Right now I'm playing Brotherhood and, unlike my other playthrough, I've decided I will get those damned shop quests done once and for all!!!!!!!! It is a point in the game that illustrates what I am trying to tell you: if you manage to gather some specific trade items like incense, buddhist prayer beads, ambergris, terracotta pots, pomander, nutmeg, indian diamonds, coffee beans, silk... the list goes on and on... you can unlock some specific items in the shops. You can get a mighty strong set of armor, a conan-like sword, fast poison etc... which will make you go through all missions much easier.... only thing is that it's so freaking hard to get those things I just skipped them all in my 1st playthrough... it actually flt like I had a piece of the game taken from me as I was willing to get those quests done but never actually made it. Now it is taking me an awful lot of exploration thogh Rome after specific treasure chests plus a very tricky selection of assassination missions to send my recruits to.... and also the anticipation of being attacked by masked thieves... all those a source of those rare trade items.... and I'm telling you man... I'm still short on a efw of them!  :D

My point is: I managed to get through the game without any of those shop quests in my 1st playthrough. I did all Templar Lair puzzles to get the armor of Brutus hence acquiring the best armor in the game and even though I didn't unlock the conan-like Spada Lunga in the blacksmith I managed to purchase some fierceful swords and used them right  >:D

So, to answer you... I would enjoy the game gathering as many cash as you can and purchasing what's available to purchase and when ready, go do the main missions which will open new items to purchase and so on and so forth!!!!!  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 20, 2012, 11:22:06 AM
Agreed; I'm now most of the way through my first play through AC3 and have not made any purchases yet except those that are required by the mission line.  It is said that the best items are achieved by crafting, but I have not explored that facet of the game much although I have collected many things through treasure chest discovery.

I never did many of the shop missions in Brotherhood because like JRD I worked to get Brutus' armor, and collected Vlad's sword which was better than anything else I'd discovered.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: mandru on November 20, 2012, 04:43:44 PM
OK, thanks guys.
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: mandru on November 23, 2012, 12:33:43 AM
I was deep into my first play through Sequence 3:2 "Execution is Everything" with the optional sync requirements of "Do not kill any guards" when my cover was blown.  Falling directly under attack I decided to play out the sequence and then come back to clean up the loose ends in a later DNA memory replay.  You can imagine how shocked I was when I was suddenly de-synced and received the disturbing screen message "YOU HAVE KILLED GEORGE WASHINGTON!"  :o

Look, we all know he's in the game but this was a long time before he was a general and at this point in his life he was in the British Navy.  I recall reading that George's mother wanted him to resign from the navy and come home as expressed through several pleading letters.  She had to resort to bribing him with a gentleman's silver pocket knife manufactured in Sheffield England to gain his return.

Apparently this was a historically documented land based assignment for the junior naval officer under General Braddock.

With this realization it dawned on me that naval officer Washington also surprisingly makes a more prominent appearance (though unidentified as to who he actually is) in Sequence 3:3 The Braddock Expedition which has given me no end of trouble.  He is not portrayed as a redcoat rather he shows up in his proper blue naval uniform and I almost laughed my guts out when the clues clicked into place for me during one of the many times though that memory.

Especially the bit where Xio (pronounced zee-oh) cracks him in the forehead with the butt of her knife.  :laugh:
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: fragger on November 24, 2012, 01:52:42 AM
That's both very informative and very cool, cheers mandru :-D :-X
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 24, 2012, 12:57:44 PM
OMG one of the OWGs killed George!
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on November 24, 2012, 05:10:26 PM
 :-()
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: mandru on November 24, 2012, 08:38:18 PM
Quote from: PZ on November 24, 2012, 12:57:44 PM
OMG one of the OWGs killed George!

Well...  :-[

I did have to go back and fix that minor detail.  ;)
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on November 25, 2012, 02:51:56 AM
erm.. did you resurrect him or realise you hadn't finished him off yet?  :-D
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: mandru on November 25, 2012, 01:07:39 PM
I simply replayed the memory and achieved full sync by not killing anyone.  It was really helpful to find out that grabbing an enemy from behind (with empty hands) just knocks them out and doesn't void their warranty.

I only applied that solution to the lone guard standing watch at the gate opposite the one you use to enter the fort so that I could slip away into the snowy night leaving George completely unmolested.  :-D
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on November 26, 2012, 01:17:09 AM
 :)
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 26, 2012, 04:36:21 AM
Quote from: mandru  on November 25, 2012, 01:07:39 PM
It was really helpful to find out that grabbing an enemy from behind (with empty hands) just knocks them out and doesn't void their warranty.

I didn't know that!!!! That's really helpful indeed. I could've used that technique but after I killed one guard I decide to kill my way out of there  ::)

I can always come back and replay that memory!!  8)
Title: Re: AC3 - first impressions
Post by: PZ on December 12, 2012, 03:00:52 PM
Quote from: JRD on November 26, 2012, 04:36:21 AM
...I can always come back and replay that memory!!  8)

This is something I wish they had programmed in to FC3.  For instance, I'd do some of the main missions again, like the Medusa, or the drug fields.