I reached the end of my first play through and received an after game character encounter that I'd not heard mentioned elsewhere. I wanted to compare the various endings and the paths that reached our various conclusions without ruining it for you guys who prefer to discover these things for yourself.
I would suggest embedding info sensitive replies in a spoiler capsule. mandru's 1st play through game ending
Keeping it simple
*I ran through the game accepting only Sabal missions.
*Though her faction followers tried to kill me as I approached I decided to disobey the order from Sabal to execute Amita.
*Instead of sitting down to eat with Pagan Min I killed him and never got to deal with the Mother's ashes.
(Killing Pagan Min also made it so that I could not complete the collectable and final Mohan's Diary for that accomplishment)
Post game character encounter was Yogi and Reggie outside their tent at the Ghale homestead.
(Note: it may not have made a difference but I'd completed all their missions)
After a chat up I declined a final toke with them (scripted).
In summary I was really hoping I could kill Sabal to reunify the Golden Path to guide them towards a balance where the Kyrati could both embrace their traditions and coexist with the modern world.
But since when has UBI ever offered a happy ending? :-D
my first playthrough game ending
I only followed Amita's path.
I decided not to kill that woman in the arena but she killed herself anyway.
I wasn't given an option not to kill Min so I had to watch myself putting a bullet through his head. (by the way, you can visit that place again after the end and find that shrine outside the "mansion" with that last collectible inside that shrine)
I shot Sabal dead (as far as I remember, I didn't have a choice, either)
I too met those clowns near my homestead camping there and had that scripted event that made me refuse that reefer.
So there's some difference between out outcomes because of our choices.
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What I've encountered is the big back gate in the fortress below is closed tight. The whole area's a no fly zone for buzzers and I'm unable to find a rooftop that I can mount connecting to the outer wall to use the wingsuit and parachute to reach the road going on up to Min's residence. Also there's no grapple points inside the fortress to climb the wall or on the sheer cliffs outside.
After forty five or so minutes of intensive searching I gave up looking.
Thanks for posting, guys - I love reading spoilers :-X
for mandru's problem
Mandru, fly as high as you can and then take a fricking car :-D You're right, nothing else works but road vehicles do. Drive up to the mansion, and you'll find that there is a simple door that you can use to walk inside the building. Basically, just follow the road to the main entrance. Go to the backyard and find that mausoleum. :)
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How did you get a buzzer past the Royal Fortress, Art? Every time I've tried that, I've gotten an altitude warning and a spin out. Plus I didn't think there were any vehicles past that gate.
mandru, you can blow the gate with a C4 charge stuck on it (a grenade or mine won't w@&k, dunno about an RPG), but it won't make a hole big enough to get a vehicle through. I've always had to run all the way up to the mansion.
Interesting outcomes re Min. In my first game I elected to shoot him there and then anyway, but I hadn't stuck exclusively with Sabal's or Amita's missions during the game, I mixed them up. But I ended up with Amita asking me to shoot Sabal, which I refused, instead telling him to just go. Second time I stuck with Amita, shot Sabal, then got the dinner choice with Min, which I took before blowing him away in his chopper as he tried to leave after the ashes scene. Then he became infinitely re-visitable and re-lootable.
Maybe if you refuse to kill whichever of the two Golden Path leaders you've been sent to, the game locks you out of the choice of shooting or sparing Min.
If you do kill your assigned Golden Path leader, remember to take something with you to blow up Min's chopper if you intend to try the dinner choice. Every time you subsequently loot his body (you'll find it near a burnt-out chopper off the left side of the road, up towards the mansion) you'll get over 650,000 Rupees worth of sellables, plus whatever cash he's got on him.
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A buzzer falls out of the air (or is pushed up and away - I don't remember exactly) before reaching the front gate of the fortress. By the way on each subsequent visit I've encountered four of Min's troops or three troops and a dog but the buzz saw makes them nothing to sweat.
Blow the gate? :o ............Doh! :D
Thanks fragger will give it a try. :bow
I spared Amita but was given the moment of hesitation to let me know it was my choice to kill Min or sit down and deal with the mother's ashes. :-\\
Edit additional: Thanks fragger, that did the trick and allowed me to get the journal. :-X +1
Oddly enough it did not allow me to place the mother's ashes in the shrine next to those of Ajay's little sister. Also, Min's body was still there on the dining room floor and could be looted as you described. Call me sentimental but it would have been nice to have been able to move Min's body into the shrine as well. ;D
I somehow touched the ADS button on my 360 controller (playing most of my PC games with it) and I killed Min :'( :D Wanted to destroy Min and his chopper with the LK-1018 >:D I love laser guided weapons >:D :-() :-D
fragger:
you misunderstood. I did not get the buzzer past that fortress which is why I said, "fly as high as you can and then take a fricking car," meaning that you will have to abandon your buzzer eventually. Of course, knowing that, it might be a good idea to be on the lookout for cars or quads on your way getting there and to swap vehicles when that opportunity presents itself. :)
OK Art, but I still don't get something...
I can't figure out how you got a ground vehicle past the fortress. When you blow the gate at the north end, it won't make a hole big enough for a vehicle to fit through. I tried blowing it several times but was unable to enlarge the hole made by the first charge.
fragger,
I might have used a quad but just to make sure I tried again, only this time I couldn't find a quad for the life of me and therefore went on foot. Anyway, it is easy to get there once you blew a hole into that gate. :)
Cheers :)
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I tried bringing in an elephant to knock a big hole through that upper gate. It just bounced off the gate twice with no effect and died of exhaustion from the long trek.
mandru,
goodness gracious ??? The elephant died of exhaustion, wow.. that is both disturbing and funny :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
As there is really no spoilers in this post I don't think I need to hide it. :)
Hannibal even with hundreds of soldiers had troubles getting elephants through the Alps. While my trek was not as monumental I was navigating the Himalayas. ;)
Every stupid civilian or even worse the Golden Path soldier will spook as you approach them and try to flee by jumping directly under the feet of the elephant. The results (should one of them manage to kill themselves) being a scolding by the game to not kill innocents and at worse the partner of the dead Golden Path soldier will howl something about "And I trusted you!" where upon every Golden Path soldier with in hearing will swarm in opening fire on you and your ride. :D
Min's troops on foot when encountered will shout "kill the animal" (your mount or maybe you... Naw :-D ) and will automatically open fire so whether on foot or driving up you have to kill the troops on sight to preserve the elephants health. (You can actually approach the ground troops quite closely before they notice you which I sometimes found surprising.)
You both take damage when that happens but the elephant being the larger target absorbs most of it and while you can heal yourself you can't heal your mount.
While being a nurse maid for one of the big lumbering oafs can be an equally big pain in the butt it does allow a closer visceral experience with the natural environment that can't be experienced shooting through the land in a vehicle and does allow a complete reprieve from all forms of animal attack and that includes devil fish while crossing rivers or lakes.
I racked up miles and miles of swimming in every other Far Cry game but the devil fish have all but kept me out of the water and potential exploration there. If there's a local population of elephants to an objective they have given me access to that method of getting around again.
Nice read :)
I like the elephants. If you're not immediately attacking someone and thus aren't using your "trunk" key to butt them with, you can use the same key to make your elephant trumpet. If there's another elephant nearby, it will trumpet in reply and will come over to your mount. Once you're on the move, periodic trumpeting will keep the other elephant following your own, so that when you do come across bad guys they will have two cranky pachyderms to deal with instead of just one >:D
That's a pretty cool discovery fragger. Worthy of a mention in tips and tricks. ^-^ :-X
You know if we can build a large enough collection of tips and tricks for FC4 we might need to organize them doing what we did with the FC2 section and create a lead post that identifies the tips and links to the post later in the thread for full details.
I wish there was a "Pat" option when approaching an elephant that would bond them with you allowing you walk or move on the ground stealthily while they hang about nonchalantly but staying close so you can take care of business best dealt with on foot and then mount and ride when you want.
But I'd probably want to limit the affectionate head butts and trunk slaps. :-D
Indeed; good one, fragger +1
Nice idea, mandru :-X
On further post-game exploration and knocking about I have to amend my initial endgame cut scenes encounters.
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Flitting in a buzzer past that temple in the lake that all of the Kyrati central core beliefs hinge around (I had three previous missions at that temple) I noticed that there was a formation of game characters assembled on the grounds so I dropped down to check it out. Sabal was conducting executions of civilians who had sided or cooperated with Min's forces. It was nice of them to await my arrival before starting the throat slashing fun. :-\\
The cut scene consisted of Sabal being an inflexible hard a$$ against these people he'd decided were traitors and there was no interaction options for me to alter the outcome of the scenario. The young girl Bhadra was there silently seated in state as the new Harishi Mahi-tuna (or whatever the incarnated title for Kyra's living presence walking among the faithful again was called).
To make things worse Sabal even injected an implied threat against me saying something along the lines of I had better fall in line or I could expect a big dose of the same purifying medicine he was freely handing out. So in the first second the cut scene let go of me and I regained volition I buzzsawed the assembled collection of bastards and tossed Sabal into the lake so that his next incarnation could be in the form of Devil Fish poop.
My killing of Sabal at that point made no difference to the ending of the game. Really the game was over as far as the game was concerned once that cut scene ended even though I was thirty or so hours into post game play.
Bhadra had vanished (from a throne on a covered wooden cart) the moment the cut scene ended and there was no real effect I could bring about for the future of Kyrat with the game still assuming Sabal was in power.
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There's a similar thing that happens with Amita which I posted about here, (http://www.openworldgames.org/owg/forums/index.php?topic=3631.msg73298#msg73298) but you need to go to Tirtha to see that scene.
Thanks mandru, I wondered about whether something like that would happen with Sabal.
So both these people turn out to be murderous assholes in the end. I won't feel bad about putting a bullet into either of them in future playthroughs >:D
It looks like I now need to drop into Tirtha to see if I've missed something there.
I let Amita get away instead of killing her as Sabal ordered earlier in the game. Kyrat should come into the 21st century to survive as a country but it has no need of either of the poisonous extreme fanatic schisms to be found in either Sabal's way or Amita's.
I see a bunch of members have played and finished FC4 a couple times and yet I still believe there is not a consensus of whether or not this is a good game. I haven't seen any game rating too so at this point I am wondering what is the general opinion of the game. It seems like a great world, amazing graphics but crappy campaign although not as bad and linear as FC3...... anyone care to comment?
it feels like a DLC for FC3. Meh..
I'm resisting starting a second play through, spending a lot of time thrashing around in post-game free roam because I'm reluctant to lose my hard earned good weaponry.
Does that help? :-D
good, mandru :-D same here :-()
I'm only about half way through the game, and have focused on only enough main mission types to advance my character enough to reveal the northern map. My limited experiences are:
- I love the feel of the environment - quite diverse and lots to see
- The weapons are really good, and I love the gyro, which takes me almost everywhere I want to go. The only limitation is the flight ceiling in many instances
- The side missions are quite fun as are the outposts and forts.
- I've not done too many main missions, but so far, they have not been too bad
All in all, if I were to quit the game today, I would feel that I have my moneys worth. I don't know if I will replay again, maybe if I get the PC version and can apply mods.
I can't spot a better place to drop this non-storyline spoiler but still wanted at least the minimal cover of a semi-concealed post.
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I've been resistant to joining team play but the draw of being able to have a buddy pass an item of key weaponry over to another player long before its typical Unlock is becoming more and more attractive. :-\\
Having finished the game I'm simply not willing yet to let go of my AS-50 silenced sniper as it kicks the snot out of the supposedly top of the line signature Predator. As bad as I am with the recurve bow (equipped with the not the marksman sight :-D ) it has almost permanently settled in the 4th weapon slot because at close range I can successfully and silently drop targets that even I find hard to foul up if I take my time.
There's a few other nuanced upgraded unlocked weapons that I've come to prefer over the baseline weapons even though none of the assault rifles really perform as well as I would like. Compared to the hyper effective Buzzsaw (which now lives in my slot #1) the assault rifles all seem like pointlessly spraying bullets around. It was frustrating watching one of the first and most easily attainable assault rifles continue to outshine every other unlockable as they became available.
The side arm slot for me houses the basic grenade launcher in all driving situations. So my early default load out actually changes very little from very early in the game.
Perhaps a thread or list of those of us willing to post our UPlay user names is in order to request or lend a hand in the "Let me borrow a cup of XYZ" program . Maybe it already exists. :-\\
I'm thinking that while I'm not that keen on team play I wouldn't mind joining someone else's game session through a request made on the list of users to hand off something they would like. Otherwise I usually play off line and I don't want to broadcast my user name to the world revealing how pathetic my play style is. :laugh:
Ok, I see.... It was on sale at steam (33% off) and yet it didn't got me considering the possibility of perhaps think about the likelyhood of maybe getting it... just maybe! ;D
I see I wasn't wrong. :-X
Mandru, search for ArtBlade on u-play. Best let me know your u-play name first (I refuse requests of people I don't know) via private message so no one will ever know :-D
Thanks Art. I too run under the premise contact me first as I don't accept blind solicitations. :)
I've never posted my UPlay user name but on occasion I'll still get and decline an occasional invite to join a session.
If I decide to go that route I'll need to get a headset with microphone first, then I'll send out a PM giving you a heads up. I was kind of tossing that idea out to see if there was an interest for that sort of need for a new game kick starter assist with in the OWG community.
(In other news)
I found Amita...Spoiler
...and where she has flown in her exile after I disobeyed Sabal's order to kill her.
She is now hiding at the Sherpa's Yak Enclosure that is in the high mountains overlooking Banapur. There was no conversation or cut scene.
As I arrived I chased a pack of dholes into the area where where upon they attacked a person so I quickly cut them all down with the buzzsaw. It was only then that I realized that the person I'd saved was Amita. Collecting herself after the attack she positioned herself on a low rock ledge overlooking the area and posed there.
Her empty hand held up chin high as if she were holding a side arm and on alert.
There were a couple faithful Golden Path followers from her Kyrati sect there on the grounds and all of the irritable and quasi-lethal yaks and any other dangerous animals besides that initial pack of dholes had been cleared out.
Now I need to dig around some more and see if Bhadra has been memorialized somewhere in post-game play. :)
Nice find, mandru :-X
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So maybe if you spare Sabal and/or Amita they just keep popping up here and there?
:)
Quote from: mandru on February 25, 2015, 03:31:52 PM
... I was kind of tossing that idea out to see if there was an interest for that sort of need for a new game kick starter assist with in the OWG community.
I'd definitely be on board with that if I played the PC :-X
It is immeasurably more fun going through the early parts of the game with good weapons thanks to the assistance from my console partner. I'd be much more inclined to do another play through if I could get a good set of weapons from the start.
I'm probably just unusual, but I really don't like struggling with weapons with the strength of a slingshot, jumping through hoops to get a decent weapon. I'd likely just not play through again.
Quote from: PZ on February 25, 2015, 10:27:27 PM
I'd definitely be on board with that if I played the PC :-X
I wasn't aware and it hadn't occurred to me that you couldn't team play with someone else using a different platform. Maybe it's because different game objects are rendered differently varying by system.
Who knows? (That was a rhetorical question / not expecting an answer. :-( )
I thought that the linkup was handled through UPlay and that they would have worked out compatibility issues to allow anyone in the game to team with any other player regardless of the gaming system. Silly me it is a UBI product after all. ::)
As far as I know, the different gaming platforms would not communicate with each other any better than an Apple would with a PC 8-X
Because of the mmorpg I play I know that there's players with both Apple and PC all in the game but maybe that's because system to system it's all interfaced through Java. I just had assumed that UBI had worked out the cross platform details.
I've hit 99.93% game completion and the only thing that I can see left undone is that there is still one single weapon that I've not unlocked.
The only thing I can figure out is that somewhere through the whole body of the game there was that one weapon some of the guards dropped and I failed to pick it up. :(
Part of the problem with picking up every weapon a trooper drops is that it cuts your available ammo in half when you swap back to your original weapon. :'(
So under the Progress screen there's that one unchecked box for a missing weapon. What I'm encountering (to try to figure out which weapon out of the whole damn game I need to look for) is that there is no way to figure out whether it's a side arm or regular weapon because the check off boxes aren't specific about which weapon satisfied the conditions to check off each of the boxes. :D
It looks like I can get a pretty thorough list of the game's weapons (other than Signatures) by copying the list available in the Arena's third category "Weapon Challenges" but the problem with that would be that even if I played every challenge for each weapon I don't believe anything done in the Arena relates back to game play or qualifications outside of the Arena. ::)
Actually the one thing that does change with your Arena rankings is the lines of conversation you receive among the crowd outside its entrance.
Probably the most amusing comment comes from the Arena attendant (speak to her to get in) who once you've reached the maximum level of 15 among other things says:
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"You're the king of the ring! But I still don't want you looking at my t!ts."
she keeps commenting on that, doesn't she :-D
I reckon the weapon you are missing out on is that one pistol you can buy from u-play with those u-points.
That pistol was the first weapon I picked up after getting the game loaded. I actually went first to UPlay and plugged in the code to unlock it before I even launched the game.
It has pretty good stats which outclasses many of the earliest weapons in the game so it lived in sidearm slot until I was able to pick up the M-79 grenade launcher.
I also have Hurk's harpoon gun but from what I understand it's possible there's another weapon that's unlocked with some additional DLC that I won't be picking up.
I'm hoping they're not counting that one to earn the 100%. :-\\
I am not using any DLC but I am not lacking any weapon, either (obviously except DLC weapons). All weapons that count can be accessed through the locker in your room or that walking gun shop you keep happening upon. Just don't forget to scroll down the list of weapons there.. when I was new to the game I didn't expect there to be more weapons and was quite surprised when I realised that I could scroll down. :)
Hmm... Dunno what that missing weapon could be, mandru. There is another weapons pack that you can pick up through Uplay credits, but it sounds as though you already have those, if all you are missing is a single weapon ????
You guys probably found this already, but I didn't notice during my first two playthroughs that after completing all of the Supply Drop missions there is one last one that pops up, in the northern region roughly near Pagan's Fortress (very roughly). After picking up the packages and delivering them, in this case to a cave which lacks the usual speakeasy-type metal door and contains a dead body clutching a note, there is a bit of a twist:
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A message is heard telling you that the person you were delivering the packages to (his name is GoPo or something, couldn't quite make it out) isn't known among the Golden Path, and that you better have a poke around the location to see what you can find out. There's a bunch of messages on computer and in note form that suggest that maybe Willis or someone else is behind all the drops.
I did all of Yogi and Reggie's missions. I really don't know why the devs bothered to include those. They're ridiculous and illogical tripped-out affairs that add nothing of value to the game apart from awarding you Rupees for completing them. Hard on the eyes and rather a waste of time, really.
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I got the impression that the guy from the supply drop missions was an agent from an Asian syndicate who because of competition was investigating the options of taking over or destroying Kyrat's drug fields.
The Yogi and Reggie missions were usually the device UBI used to introduce each of the different syringes. Taking the trip gave the recipe but to be honest the only syringe I intentionally used through the entire game was the two green leaves to make health restore potions.
Paul De Pleur has popped back up in post game Kyrat. He's alive and living miserably hands tied in a cage East then slightly South on the edge of a cliff at the bottom of the terraces from the fast travel point in Banapur (the town where we first meet Amita and Sabal).
It's cute that his daughter has her own special ringtone when she calls his cellphone. >:D
For you Yogi and Reggie fans. ::)
After completing their missions you are given a pipe for graduating from their training course and being their most successful test subject ("By far" as one of them comments).
You will find that pipe flashing inside the Ghale homestead on the lower floor to the right of the front door as you are exiting. It's over near the basket of bottled groceries and the hot plates. The pipe is an interactive object.
>:D
How brave are you? Try it without reading the next part.
Using the pipe will teleport you around the map into random locations very often near previously undiscovered locations. At least you're not waking up naked somewhere with crude comments written all over you and you have all of your gear.
There will be bit of disorientation when you find yourself lying on the ground and once on your feet you can't get a straight aim with a weapon but that wears off in a moment. :-D
In my game I have two location question marks that will not unlock no matter how I search back and forth over the areas. My first usage of the pipe dropped me near one of those two spots.
Quote from: mandru on February 28, 2015, 09:10:15 AM
For you Yogi and Reggie fans. ::)
After completing their missions you are given a pipe for graduating from their training course and being their most successful test subject ("By far" as one of them comments).
You will find that pipe flashing inside the Ghale homestead on the lower floor to the right of the front door as you are exiting. It's over near the basket of bottled groceries and the hot plates. The pipe is an interactive object.
>:D
How brave are you? Try it without reading the next part.
Using the pipe will teleport you around the map into random locations very often near previously undiscovered locations. At least you're not waking up naked somewhere with crude comments written all over you and you have all of your gear.
There will be bit of disorientation when you find yourself lying on the ground and once on your feet you can't get a straight aim with a weapon but that wears off in a moment. :-D
In my game I have two location question marks that will not unlock no matter how I search back and forth over the areas. My first usage of the pipe dropped me near one of those two spots.
Nice find 1+ :-X :) :-D
Indeed +1 :-X
yep, nice :) +1 :-X
Nice w@&k, mandru +1 :-X :)
You do have a knack for discovering these little gems :-D
Thanks guys. :)
Being unable to find that last 6% of the game I've started another lap through the game (this time going the pure Amita missions route and sparing Sabal) to see if the two unlockable locations I mentioned earlier become available. So I'm going to be out of the loop on personal end game discoveries for a bit.
On this run there was an interesting comment in her post mission dialog where she referred to Bhadra as Sabal's puppet. The wording and demeanor of the comment was in stark contrast with the early game appearance of Amita being protective of Bhadra. On his part Sabal is acting like a very unlikable nasty twonk who's not exactly winning me back to his side.
There's a reason Ajay's mother never spoke of Ajay's father Mohan. Having read Mohan's complete journal he was a highly flawed and less than admirable historical figure. Considering the fact that Mohan was murdered in his home I'm thinking it was Sabal who was the killer as he is the one constantly using the fathers efforts like twisting a knife to try to control Ajay.
Looking around a bit online about a post game location for Bhadra I'm starting to think that things go very badly for her (looks like she ends up drowned in one of my two unlockable locations) regardless of which leader you side with. There's a location in the middle of a river that I can't get to unlock but with some research its called something like Harun Matarun Rest (sorry I just haven't been able to get Bhadra's title fixed in my head yet) and it is looking like that's where Bhadra meets demon fish. ::)
Quote from: mandru on March 02, 2015, 07:13:51 AM
There's a location in the middle of a river that I can't get to unlock but with some research its called something like Harun Matarun Rest (sorry I just haven't been able to get Bhadra's title fixed in my head yet) and it is looking like that's where Bhadra meets demon fish. ::)
Is that the one with a wrecked truck on the bottom with a bunch of crates? I can never get that one to unlock either, despite swimming into every nook and cranny while getting chewed on by those flipping demon fish (I even had to do a button mash to get one of those buggers off my case). There's one other location at the top of a stream which flows under a small bridge in Northern Kyrat that won't unlock either, even though I repeatedly run right over the danged question mark. I've gotten to the point where I have only four locations to unlock and even though I've bought all the maps, I can't for the life of me find the other two anywhere :D
nice find mandru +1 :-()
ADDENDUM - Out of those four remaining locations that I couldn't unlock, I got three of them. One was one that I had simply overlooked. Another was in fact Pagan's Mansion, which unlocked once I got there. The third was the one with the small stream under the bridge - despite running over the question mark repeatedly on foot, hovering a Buzzer over it finally unlocked it.
The last one remains stubbornly unlocked - the one in the river with the wrecked truck on the bottom. No matter what I do, no matter how many breath-enhancing needles I stick in my arm, no matter how many demonfish I button-mash out of action, I can't get that last location to unlock. I tried hovering a Buzzer over that sucker too, but no dice. The infernal question-mark remains.
End Game Details
I had earlier speculated that if you spare whichever faction leader you are sent to bump off, it would prevent you from sitting down to dinner with Pagan. Well, that theory is out the window. After sticking with Sabal's missions all the way through this time, when he sent me to top Amita, I let her go. I was still able to sit down and eat with Pagan, and after doing the ashes thing, I blew him out of his chopper with an explosive arrow.
One thing that I have to admit distinguishes FC4 from FC3 is the conversation and speculation that has occurred due to the former. :-X
Reminds me of the Black Mamba conversations and others we had with FC2
I haven't gotten to all the locations in the north yet, but I do recall a couple that wren't where they were supposed to be. One being like the fragger mentions, it's not on the ground, but in the air a few meters. A good way to figure out exactly where they are is to mark them as a waypoint on the map while you are still a short distance away, then in game look at where the waypoint is, it will be at the correct height, so the ones that are underground or in the air are indicated that way. This technique works for any other object you set a waypoint to, like loot chests or posters, as some of those are in deep caves or underwater and heading in the right direction to begin with makes them easier to find.
Where exactly is the one in the river by the wrecked truck?
It's in Northern Kyrat. Imagine an inverted triangle with Shikharpur Outpost at the right corner and the Royal Guard Kennels Outpost at the left, with the location forming a roughly equilateral point to the south of these, in the middle of the river. You should see a question mark there. The wrecked truck is on the bottom of the river bed, and is a fair way down. Might be worth crafting a breath syringe to have a good look around down there. Watch out for those @#$%& Demon Fish...
For what it's worth, these are the (very) approximate coords: X - 640 / Y - 677.
Thanks for the +1 Nex. :)
Yeah, the truck on the bottom of the river and the spring that becomes a stream running down under a small bridge the road crosses are the two that haven't unlocked.
I'm playing offline currently locked into cheat mode (until I manually go back and edit the game profile setting to its original condition) so god mode allows me to stay under water for an unlimited amount of time and even that has returned no favorable results on unlocking it.
I'll need to try that trick of setting the marker as the destination and looking for it's actual position and picking it up with the buzzer. That is once I w@&k my way back into the Northern region again. :laugh:
After a many hours in the game something I've come to wish that the developers had done is an expansion of something they have already shown would be possible. When you've killed and animal it shows up on the mini-map as small "x". It would have been simple for them to have included an upward caret "^" to mark the location of one of Min's dead troopers for when you're going back over an area after a conflict to loot the bodies.
Also following the same thought when ammo's running low (and you need to refill from dropped weapons) the trooper's annoying bad habit of sometimes giving their weapons a hearty fling when they die could be balanced if weapons on the ground were shown on the mini-map with an "!". :D
Ah, another observation in passing. ::)
If you listen to the chat among the troops at an outpost as you are preparing to take it the main topics of discussion at each location are later reflected by the comments (while somewhat different) that are made by the Golden Path soldiers who become encamped there.
I just tried for that one in the river, it seems to be buried a couple meters under the river bed, so either it becomes available once you complete a certain game objective or it's a glitch and they put the marker too deep for you to activate it.
Probably a glitch.
I used a deep-breathing syringe and swam all around the bottom to see if there was a cave or a hole in the river bed that might let me get to the location, but I couldn't find any.
I also drowned while I still had about 20% of my syringe left ????
don't try to inhale water :-()
Quote from: fragger on March 05, 2015, 03:39:16 AM
I used a deep-breathing syringe and swam all around the bottom to see if there was a cave or a hole in the river bed that might let me get to the location, but I couldn't find any.
I also drowned while I still had about 20% of my syringe left ????
Same thing happened to me, I had quite a bit of the syringe bar left and just .... died. Weird. Glitch, I say, the place is haunted.
An unreachable marker under the bottom of a riverbed? :D
Might only be an issue on PC. It seems that some people have unlocked that location but as whether or not they are on consoles.
Sounds like an issue awaiting yet another game patch. ::)
A hobo doesn't have as many patches as the games of today
:-D
The location is glitched, so You have to use another glitch to reach it... >:D
This guy found it. Read the tread and watch his video:
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/960410-Undiscovered-Locations-Remain-Undiscovered-Despite-Visiting-The-Area?p=10542013&viewfull=1#post10542013 (http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/960410-Undiscovered-Locations-Remain-Undiscovered-Despite-Visiting-The-Area?p=10542013&viewfull=1#post10542013)
And it works! I've done it myself (had to fast travel out of the water in the end, to avoid drowning). :-X
Welcome T.V. and I think this is the first time I've given Kudos to a first time poster. +1 ^-^
Cool, nice find T.V. I've got it bookmarked so I can find it again when I get back to that part of the game. :-X
So the river location is Drunk Kanak's Truck. :)
Thanks! :)
Quote from: T.V. on March 05, 2015, 09:37:20 AM
The location is glitched, so You have to use another glitch to reach it... >:D
This guy found it. Read the tread and watch his video:
http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/960410-Undiscovered-Locations-Remain-Undiscovered-Despite-Visiting-The-Area?p=10542013&viewfull=1#post10542013 (http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/960410-Undiscovered-Locations-Remain-Undiscovered-Despite-Visiting-The-Area?p=10542013&viewfull=1#post10542013)
And it works! I've done it myself (had to fast travel out of the water in the end, to avoid drowning). :-X
Another fellow Norwegian? 1+ :-D :-X :-() :-()
Nice one T.V. +1 from me as well
:-X
Thanks, T.V., that will come in handy to get that last pesky location.
hey T.V. :) Thanks for posting, I actually had to try it right away. :) +1 :-X from me, too :-D
[smg id=7743 type=preview align=center caption="below map location"]
Thanks for the kudos's! :)
I read about You getting eaten and drowning, just like me before I found that post over at the UBI forum, so I thought it would be helpful with that tip. :angel:
(And Yes, a fellow Norwegian from Oslo. :-) Have actually been a "hangaround" here at OWG since 2009, but lost my login due to too little posting... ...and therefore "Newbie - reregistered" in2013)
Ah ok :) Do you play FC4 on PC?
Quote from: GKID7891 on March 06, 2015, 09:42:34 AM
Ah ok :) Do you play FC4 on PC?
Yes, I have a nice gaming / simulation rig, so I don't feel I need any other platform. ;)
we did a massive clean-up, T.V., back in the day, and deleted inactive member accounts. Not for "not posting" but for not showing at all for a long time. If you did show up as frequently as during the last two years, then it was a mistake. Good to have you back and now even posting :)
Quote from: Art Blade on March 06, 2015, 10:13:22 AM
Not for "not posting" but for not showing at all for a long time.
That's sounds right. :) I think I had a bit of "forum paranoia", and just visited without logging in, back in those days... 8-X
Quote from: T.V. on March 06, 2015, 10:06:56 AM
Yes, I have a nice gaming / simulation rig, so I don't feel I need any other platform. ;)
Nice :-() Do you have Steam?
Quote from: GKID7891 on March 06, 2015, 10:43:57 AM
Nice :-() Do you have Steam?
Yes, even if I'd preferred buying games on media. The hassle with DRM and always have to find and insert the media, made me go over to Steam and GOG.
My Steam ID is GKID7891 if you want to add me ;)
Nice w@&k on that location T.V. +1 :)
I thought your username sounded familiar, I've seen you hanging around the site from time to time :-D
Quote from: GKID7891 on March 06, 2015, 11:37:27 AM
My Steam ID is GKID7891 if you want to add me ;)
I'm only using Steam as a game launcher, so I haven't created a profile there...
Quote from: fragger on March 06, 2015, 04:31:39 PM
Nice w@&k on that location T.V. +1 :)
Thanks, but the
w@&k was made by "blkdragonfly", I just found his (or hers) posting at the UBI forum... :-[
Okay, no problem ;)
T.V. you sound like me before I forced myself to sign up here, I too had that type of "forum paranoia" but I realised that the people here are different. Funny feeling now, isn't it, that you have freed yourself of the burdens of a shadow lurker and now being able to exchange your thoughts with us here :) Just for your amusement and to see that we share that type of experience, just take a look at this site's introduction board and read my first couple of posts.. :-D
So true, AB :-X
In fact, that is why OWG exists - this is not only a gaming forum, it is one that encompasses all interests. We not only allow, but encourage free expression of all thoughts so long as one is cognizant and acceptant of other's opinions.
We all have differing thoughts on occasion, and the lack of attack on ither's ideals is what distinguishes us from all other forums I have visited on the 'net - without exception.
Quote from: T.V. on March 07, 2015, 12:05:50 AM
Thanks, but the w@&k was made by "blkdragonfly", I just found his (or hers) posting at the UBI forum... :-[
You still deserve the kudo for finding it and posting about it :)
I'm totally with you, PZ. The only other forums I've come across that come anywhere close to this one in terms of cordiality and respect are within the 3D art community, but even then there is still the odd arrogant lurker. Plus there is nothing like the diversity of topics, nor the sense of fun, that there is here.
This site is tops :-X
Quote from: Art Blade on March 07, 2015, 04:06:47 AM
T.V. you sound like me before I forced myself to sign up here, I too had that type of "forum paranoia" but I realised that the people here are different. Funny feeling now, isn't it, that you have freed yourself of the burdens of a shadow lurker and now being able to exchange your thoughts with us here :) Just for your amusement and to see that we share that type of experience, just take a look at this site's introduction board and read my first couple of posts.. :-D
Quote from: PZ on March 07, 2015, 09:28:23 AM
So true, AB :-X
In fact, that is why OWG exists - this is not only a gaming forum, it is one that encompasses all interests. We not only allow, but encourage free expression of all thoughts so long as one is cognizant and acceptant of other's opinions.
We all have differing thoughts on occasion, and the lack of attack on ither's ideals is what distinguishes us from all other forums I have visited on the 'net - without exception.
Quote from: fragger on March 07, 2015, 09:23:24 PM
I'm totally with you, PZ. The only other forums I've come across that come anywhere close to this one in terms of cordiality and respect are within the 3D art community, but even then there is still the odd arrogant lurker. Plus there is nothing like the diversity of topics, nor the sense of fun, that there is here.
This site is tops :-X
:-X This reflects why I've been hanging around, and not just used this site as an casual "wiki" for games as I do in other forums. This site is so much more! I think my shadow lurker days have come to an end, yes. :-D
:)
Very nice to see you posting T.V. :-X
It is always a pleasure when we can welcome a new member into our group
particularly when they keep posting. >:D :-() ;)
He, he. ;)
so you noticed that hint. :-D
OK, I just finished my second play through and successfully received my 100% completion. :)
This time around I played pure Amita missions and spared Sabal when Amita rubber stamped his execution notice.
End Game Tally
I'd killed Min (same as the last game) instead of sitting down for the meal of Crab Rangoon and after a bit of searching found Amita in Tirtha rounding up all the children and telling the parents to shut up, return to their homes or be shot. She then turned to me and made a very thinly veiled threat that I had better get in line too. So I plugged her.
One surprise of that action was that after I'd killed Sabal in the last game (after killing Min) all of the conversations I encountered all continued to speak of Sabal as still being alive and leading things but that was not the trend of the chatter I'm occasionally running across after taking Amita out. No one is speaking of Amita as still alive.
The conversation threads have been varied. There's been times I've been more or less accused of plunging the country into chaos but I've also gotten a promising line of thought out of some of the people and that is of the idea that Kyrat will have to stop depending on the leaders of the Golden Path, think things through for themselves and make their own correct decisions.
It still looks like poor Bhadra ends up drowned or otherwise killed by Amita so that she can't be used as a puppet by Sabal to sway the population back to his side and lead a counter revolution against Amita's flavor of the Golden Path.
Having spared Sabal I tracked him down at a campsite on the S.W. shoreline of Lake Visalakhutta which is the closest lake N.W. of Utkarsh. Utkarsh is the town where you have the mission to pursue to and kill Pagan Min's body double.
Sabal was meditating and non-responsive to my attempts to communicate with him so I shot him, chucked his body out into the lake as far as I could heave him and then tossed a chunk of bait in after him. With the godmode cheat enabled it allowed me to submerge myself and enjoy the demonfish that swam up and chomped several bloody bites out of him. >:D
Time to figure out the next variable I'm going to change to attempt to reach a different ending. I still need to try pure missions only killing the opposing leader and then there's always the intriguing thought of letting Pagan Min live to see if he settles the surviving faction leaders hash.
I'm just not ready to start another Amita pure game because her mission to keep Min's troops from burning the poppy fields at the Tea Terraces even on the easy difficulty setting was a freaking serious pain in the butt. :D
Excellent investigation, mandru :) I like how they've taken the various outcomes into account as to how the the subsequent conversations and situations are dictated - except once I got a phone call from Min after I'd killed him ???? I think some of Min's calls are tied to how many outposts and forts you've liberated and things of that nature, so if you bump him off while leaving a lot of the side game undone his calls can get out of kilter - or at least one of them can.
I too hated Amita's variant of the poppy fields mission. Some missions are tougher working for Amita, some are tougher for Sabal. Generally speaking, I think Amita's are more difficult.
I'm keeping to the Sabal line, and find the missions quite enjoyable.
Good catch on Min's posthumous phone calls fragger. Just how many body doubles does he have stacked up in a closet somewhere? ????
I'm beginning to think the final chance to choose between a Sabal or Amita Golden Path mission could possibly be the deciding factor as to who ends up being the winning leader. That's the mission that starts with Bhadra filling you in on what is going to happen before you actually speak to either Sabal(save) or Amita(destroy) the temple in the middle of the big lake. actually is the only qualifier of who will take the lead as leader of the Golden path.
Bhadra says point blank something like "Whoever you chose to support will be the leader of the Golden Path."
What I get from that is even if you choose to run pure Sabal missions then at that final branching point flip over to Amita's side by destroying the temple the end result would be the same as if you'd run pure Amita missions.
Either I'll have to dig into it and see if there's other outcomes available through the branching mission choices or if one of you guys have game results that confirm or deny that theory it would help.
It would also save me from ever having to play through Amita's save the poppy fields mission again. :D
I think I just completed that mission and had decided to go the Sabal route.
I'll probably be starting another playthrough soon mandru, I'll check that out.
I hit it again and this time
it sank in.I've usually been so engaged with fighting off wolves or some other engaging mechanic of the game that I don't have the exact words of Pagan's message but in one of the occasional check up calls that Pagan Min makes to Ajay the dialog goes something like this:
Spoiler
"Ah Ajay. (My favorite nephew < it's something closer to step-son actually <and that comment may be from another call from Min but he says it somewhere>>)
I'm thinking when you get done tearing sh!t up
if you're going to take over here we have to do something about your wardrobe. So I've brought in a fashion designer to give you a complete redo. I mean Jeans and sneakers? Really?...
...And don't get me started on that jacket. Why the hell do you need so many zippered pockets? What? Are you keeping meat in them?
Oh, wait maybe you do.
Okay note to designers: Include lots of meat pockets."
I've long been convinced that Pagan Min is amused and somewhat pleased that Ajay has proven to be a man of action. What was it in FC2 the Jackal said "Will to Power?" But the key comment from Pagan (solidifying my personal opinion) that I didn't catch until now was
"...if you're going to take over here."Pagan Min is allowing Ajay to be
groomed by fire to be the next leader of Kyrat. For me this becomes clear when you consider that every post game encounter I've run into has all of us so dissatisfied by Sabal and Amita we snuffed them. They both were designed to be so toxic that it's instinctive for us to take them out.
My thought, who's left to fill the sudden power vacuum? There's no one else in all of the country with a name and reputation as widely held among the population in high regard as that of Ajay the son of Mohan Ghale. With the recovery and restoration of the Thangka some might consider Ajay to be the virtual reincarnation of Kalinag the revered (and honored through shrines) warrior spirit of Kyrat.
He who walks with the companion spirit-tiger Protector of Shangri-La.
Consider the thangka in the Ghale homestead. In the first encounter with Yogi and Reggie, Ajay asks about the empty picture frame. They relate to him that it was indeed a thangka that (for some) mystically allowed access to Shangri-La and that it had been passed down through many generations of the Ghale family only to be split into five so they could be hidden after the death of Mohan
It was torn in five pieces and scattered into the highly holy and deepest secret of places after the murder of Mohan (by the highest priests followers of Kyra) to keep it safe until the time of its significance would come once again.
Talk about being dealt a "Pat Hand" and Yes! Ajay's mom knew exactly what she plunging him into. She was the reincarnation of Kyra after all. ^-^
Great analysis, mandru; I really enjoy your imaginative interpretations of the data presented in the games - almost like one would do with a well written book :-X
I try to make sense out of the scattered clues the developers thought were important to put in the game. ^-^
nice, mandru :) I'll give you a slap on the back for that :)
+1 :-X
Thanks Art. :)
I've indeed thought on occasion that your summaries and interpretations shed some light on what I had only zipped by without paying much attention. Usually my mindset regarding the far cry series only comprises of killing everything that moves -- animals, friends and foes alike. :-D
:laugh: :-X
Same here, largely. I tend to miss most of the stuff that our resident gaming sleuth, mandru, picks up on :-()
Like Art, I kill everything, if it doen't move I kick it till it moves and then kill it, so most of the things mandru picks up goes way over my head :-D
But then again, what would OWG be without the ever sharp mr mandru ;)
+1 for you mandru :-X
Quote from: nexor on March 15, 2015, 05:47:17 AMif it doen't move I kick it till it moves and then kill it
exactly :laugh: :-X
:laugh: :-X
Thanks nex. :)
An interesting glitch the programmers built into the game.
Spoiler
At the point in the game where the mission to attack the brick factory comes up, it is initiated by speaking to Amita in one of the upstairs rooms in the Kyra Tea factory. The Tea factory is the same place where you either Burn (S) or Protect (A) the poppy fields.
By saving the nearby Bomb Diffusion side mission until the Golden Path mission marker shows up at the Kyra Tea factory you will find Amita standing mutely awaiting the completion of the side mission to speak to you about making your run on the brick factory even though the place is crawling with Min's troopers while you are diffusing those bombs. ????
After clearing the bombs but before escaping the area to complete the diffusal mission I went back upstairs and took the prime opportunity to put an arrow into Amita's forehead tattoo. She crumpled to the floor.
For my efforts I received the message "A critical character has died - Mission failed!" and had to start over.
Next time I'll bring an assortment of interesting ways to kill Amita and visit her (a few times) first before diffusing all the bombs. >:D
you're evil, mandru. And I like the way you're thinking >:D
:laugh: :-X
I came across that situation the first time I played, but not knowing what a toxic psycho this woman would later turn out to be, I didn't take advantage of the situation. I killed her anyway due to the fact that the enemy had already spotted me and started the countdown, which in turn made me rash and predisposed to shoot anything that either moved or even remotely resembled a figure in my haste to find and defuse the last bomb. I got the mission fail message while thinking to myself, "Aw geez... I'm sorry about that, you poor young lass".
If I'd known then...
Yet another end of game report. ;)
Spoiler
I hit the end of my fourth play through FC4 and tried to shake things up to receive a different ending.
This time I played pure Sabal missions and at the last decision between Sabal and Amita I chose to destroy Jalandu temple (in the middle of the lake) for Amita and spared Sabal when I was later ordered to kill him. I thought perhaps I could shake lose an alternate ending because in the mission to kill Yuma (while experiencing the Shangri-La hallucination) it showed the Sabal as leader ending where he was ordering the killing people of Kyrat who had sided with Amita for turning their backs on the gods.
It was that preview of what was to come if I stuck with Sabal that prompted me to switch. But it had no new effect and ended as if I'd played pure Amita missions. So I found myself viewing the same post-game scene in Tirtha where Amita was conscripting children and telling their parents to go back in their homes or be shot.
When the cut scene ended and Amita was walking away with her two body guards I shot the two guards first but Amita was oblivious to my action. I then to avoid receiving the "Don't kill innocents" message I tried running ahead and planting a land mine in her path but she screamed and walked well around where it was planted. She just kept walking down the path and I was trying to decide whether I should just shoot her or could I come up with another unique way to finish her. A Molotov was becoming a favorite option when Amita did something unexpected.
She stopped at a shrine at the side of the path and started silently praying and paying obeisance with much hand clasping and bowing. :o
I stayed and observed for maybe ten minutes. Once an eagle flew over and she ran to hide under the branches of a nearby tree then returned to praying after it passed. At another point there was a close exchange of gunfire and she reacted in the same way. I could see no indication that she was going to do something beyond the behavior I'd already experienced so I ended up shooting her and moving on. Oh yeah, Amita can't be searched when she's dead but she can be picked up and moved.
I also tried to spare Pagan Min to see if there was anything to Min's dialog about Ajay taking over as leader of Kyrat. But even though I tried to use the AWSD keys to move away, swung the mouse back and forth trying to get off target it was all ineffective. As in my previous time through the game the computer took over and shot him. :(
I need to find out what it was that fragger did in the one game he related to us where Ajay got to place his mom's urn and watch Min depart on the copter. I would like to make the minor change of not shooting down Min's chopper for the "The King Is Dead" message (achievement?) to see if there's previously unobserved content or a change in game character behavior in that situation.
:-X nice write-up, mandru
Once again, an excellent piece of observation mandru :-X
Quote from: mandru on March 27, 2015, 11:18:21 PM
I need to find out what it was that fragger did in the one game he related to us where Ajay got to place his mom's urn and watch Min depart on the copter.
Geez, what
did I do that time? (racks protesting brain...) I think all I did was shoot Sabal when asked. I seem to recall that if you let him (or Amita) walk, Pagan gets shot at the table whether you want him to be or not.
Or was it if I
didn't shoot Sabal/Amita? But you just tried that, and Pagan did a face-plant in the Crab Rangoon.
I'll try and replicate whatever it was I did this time around. I'm still in South Kyrat at present so it'll be a little while. Damn, what I'd give for more than one lousy saved-game slot...
fragger, I've finished up all the post-game play so I'll be going right back in from the start to see if I can achieve another alternate ending so there's no rush on that. :)
:-X
Quote from: fragger on March 28, 2015, 12:37:59 AMPagan did a face-plant in the Crab Rangoon
lol fragger :laugh:
I only finished the game once and I did NOT do anything (no mouse nor keyboard action) yet the game took over and shot Sabal and Pagan despite me not wanting it.
I finished my 5th play through and I've still not been able to get the spare Pagan ending. :(
Each and every time after my 1st trip through (where I intentionally shot him) the game steps in and auto-whacks him for me as soon as the option becomes available. I'm really hoping that "Kill Pagan" is not a hard wired PC thing but I suspect not because fragger reported achieving that ending.
::) *Sigh*
Spoiler
This round I played pure Sabal and switched to Amita at the option to destroy Jalendu Temple and then killed Sabal when I was ordered to so that the line in Pagan's dinner chat is correct (part of the spare Pagan' life dialog) when he mentions that I've already removed half of the competition to becoming the uncontested ruler of Kyrat.
The only thing I can think of is to remove the "No Detect" cheat before assaulting Min's palace on my next go around and see if that makes a difference. I know that the final Shangri-La mission requires detection so I'll go back and flip that single variable that to see if that's been the problem. :-\\
Quote from: mandru on April 09, 2015, 08:36:27 AM
I finished my 5th play through and I've still not been able to get the spare Pagan ending. :(
Each and every time after my 1st trip through (where I intentionally shot him) the game steps in and auto-whacks him for me as soon as the option becomes available. I'm really hoping that "Kill Pagan" is not a hard wired PC thing but I suspect not because fragger reported achieving that ending.
::) *Sigh*
Spoiler
This round I played pure Sabal and switched to Amita at the option to destroy Jalendu Temple and then killed Sabal when I was ordered to so that the line in Pagan's dinner chat is correct (part of the spare Pagan' life dialog) when he mentions that I've already removed half of the competition to becoming the uncontested ruler of Kyrat.
The only thing I can think of is to remove the "No Detect" cheat before assaulting Min's palace on my next go around and see if that makes a difference. I know that the final Shangri-La mission requires detection so I'll go back and flip that single variable that to see if that's been the problem. :-\\
I also deliberately shot Pagan in my 1. play through.
In my 2. and 3. play through, I still had the choice of pulling the trigger or not...
I shot Noor and Amita in my 2. play through, and then no one in my 3.
In my last (3.) play through I also tested the "fortress-theory" regarding those Pagan Wraith convoys.
After liberating the first outpost (mission), I went for the buzzer and did this:
-Hijacked the most north tower in the south area, NW of The Kings Bridge, to get my favourite sniper and the missing Yak skins I needed for upgrades (the rest is available in the "tutorial" area, or with using bait in that same area).
-Liberated the outpost Kyra Tea Weigh Station.
-Unlocked the Fashion Week missions and did the Black Water Dragon mission.
-Hijacked the tower east of outpost Kyra Tea Weigh Station (think this is necessary for the retaliation partys to appear).
-Went back to outpost Kyra Tea Weigh Station and got a retaliation call that I responded to and finished.
-Liberated both fortresses.
-Liberated Outpost Kyra Tea Terraces
-Fast travelled back to first outpost to get the buzzer (had left the buzzer too far away)
Tada: Got the message that a Pagan Wraith convoy had arrived.
So it is possible to liberate the fortresses before the Pagans Wraith convoys appears.
I'm not using the cheats during normal game play (except for the final Shangri-La mission, thank You +1 :-X )
So it might be that they are the thing "making the difference" here.
But I still think You should try to delete the savegame files though. ;)
:lamp: Also then make sure that Upay starts in off-line mode, and start a new game in off-line mode as well, so no previously on-line stored saves replaces the deleted ones.
When there have been a couple of off-line auto saves, one can go on-line again, to get the arena ranks. 8)
Thanks T.V. I'll give that a try but I'm a little unclear on the process to delete the save game file.
Do I delete the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher\savegames\-long_random_string-\856 or do I open it and empty its contents with Notepad++?
I get seriously concerned when it comes to messing with program or system files. Even after I decided to try using the cheats for FC4 it took me a couple weeks reading the instructions over and over on how to apply them. After downloading Notepad++ I was sweating bullets to finally build up the nerve to actually make the leap.
lol mandru @ sweating bullets :-()
You remove the files found there, yes. You can delete or move them. Most of the time moving files is a good idea because you can move them back to restore the old state. Essentially that would be a backup strategy.
Notepad is an editor to either create or change text-based content like XML or a config file or just some quick notes. Notepad++ just has got a tad more functions. :-()
???
I think I'm confusing File and Folder.
Let me try to ask that a little more clearly as I don't want to get this wrong.
Am I removing the whole folder with a right click delete or the contents of that folder leaving an empty target folder for future auto-saves?
Art, It occurs to me that copying and pasting the contents (into and out of) of the Save file as you suggested has the potential of allowing the possibility of unlimited Save Points that can be manually loaded overcoming FC4's single save game file.
You really shouldn't have to do any of those things - I never did, even though for the life of me I can't remember what I did, or didn't, do. But it didn't involve any deleting of files or employing cheat codes.
I'm trying the same approach as you, mandru, this time around. I'll let you know what transpires.
You' couldn't be more right fragger, I really shouldn't have to do any of those things. Then again it's not a perfect world and UBI falls far short of making perfect games. :laugh:
This last play through I had the situation arise again where the Pagan's Revenge Convoys failed to show up.
I wouldn't try monkeying around with the files (it scares the hell out of me) but my theory to leave the fortresses alone until after unlocking enough outposts to trigger the revenge convoys failed so I'm pushed to the point of looking for any silver bullet that will fix that bug once and for all.
Without the convoys you can't learn the Heavy take down skill which includes using a death from above attack on them or the knife throw take down against them as part of a chain. Not having that skill unlocked also limits your effectiveness against the big flame shooting demons in Shangri-La for the same reasons.
There's also one weapon (that I never would use as it's so lame compared to the handgun you unlock with UPlay points ::) ) that will never become available because it requires defeating two of the convoys to unlock.
Quote from: mandru on April 09, 2015, 02:25:56 PM
Do I delete the folder C:\Program Files (x86)\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher\savegames\-long_random_string-\856 or do I open it and empty its contents with Notepad++?
Quote from: mandru on April 10, 2015, 06:51:51 AM
Am I removing the whole folder with a right click delete or the contents of that folder leaving an empty target folder for future auto-saves?
Art, It occurs to me that copying and pasting the contents (into and out of) of the Save file as you suggested has the potential of allowing the possibility of unlimited Save Points that can be manually loaded overcoming FC4's single save game file.
You should not right click on, or move, the folder it self. You should do this with the 4 files within the folder.
And Yes, moving the files to "backup" folders makes "saves" for future use. (Just remember that Upay and game should be off-line when loading these "saves", until there is a new auto save.)
I have stored several "saves" my self. ;)
Quote from: mandru on April 10, 2015, 08:41:17 AM
You' couldn't be more right fragger, I really shouldn't have to do any of those things. Then again it's not a perfect world and UBI falls far short of making perfect games. :laugh:
I agree with You both, this is just how one have to cope with games from UBI... ::)
Thanks T.V. for your patience walking me through this. :-X +1
I've been awaiting this clarification and can now apply it so I can get back in the game for the sixth round of play. :-D
I'm doubly cautious to be sure that any changes I make are applied while Uplay and the game are not active. :)
mandru, apparently the other guys have already helped you before I could :) Thanks guys, by the way. There's always someone keeping an eye out :-X :)
Quote from: Art Blade on April 10, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
...There's always someone keeping an eye out :-X :)
Heh, a good thing too.
Once I opened the indicated folder "C:\Program Files (x86)\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher\savegames\-long_random_string-\856" I found
six (not four) more
folders (not files). :D
Putting me effectively back to square one as I have no idea how to proceed. ???
I take 10 deep calming breaths and reflect on the consoling thought that I've referenced my theme music the Jethro Tull song "Nothing Is Easy" here on OWG before. ^-^
what are the folders called and what's in those folders?
I do have 5 UBI games currently loaded. They are FC2, FC3, FC4, ACR and AC3 so it looks like I've got a real plate of spaghetti going in the save game section to sort out.
I should mention that when going to my hard drive and following click path "C:\Program Files (x86)\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher\savegames\-long_random_string-\856" after the "\-long_random_string-\" step is where I am encountering the six folders I mentioned and none of them are the final "\856" as given in the example that I was using as a template to find the save files.
Those six folders found where the "\856" folder should be are named 40, 46, 54, 420, 449 and 478.
What's in the folders? Ugh... The easy answer would be "Uhh... Stuff." ???
?But I'll detail it here:
Spoiler
Folder 40 last modified 8/24/2014 holds:
1.save --------------------- last modified 8/24/2014
1.save.metadata -------- last modified 11/16/2012
2.save --------------------- last modified 8/24/2014
2.save.metadata -------- last modified 11/30/2013
3.save --------------------- last modified 8/24/2014
3.save.metadata -------- last modified 10/25/2012
Folder 46 last modified 1/21/2015 holds:
1.save --------------------- last modified 4/24/2014
1.save.metadata -------- last modified 3/4/2013
2.save --------------------- last modified 4/24/2014
2.save.metadata -------- last modified 7/21/2013
3.save --------------------- last modified 1/17/2015
3.save.metadata -------- last modified 12/31/2013
##Note: There is no File 4.save or File 4.save.metadata it skips over the #4 for some reason##
5.save --------------------- last modified 8/11/2014
5.save.metadata -------- last modified 5/10/2013
6.save --------------------- last modified 4/24/2014
6.save.metadata -------- last modified 7/22/2013
7.save --------------------- last modified 1/21/2015
7.save.metadata -------- last modified 4/24/2014
Folder 54 last modified 11/11/2014 holds:
1.save --------------------- last modified 12/18/2012
1.save.metadata -------- last modified 12/18/2012
2.save --------------------- last modified 11/11/2014
2.save.metadata -------- last modified 4/9/2013
2.save.upload ------------ last modified 11/11/2014
Folder 420 last modified 4/10/2015* holds:
1.save --------------------- last modified 4/10/2015
1.save.upload ------------ last modified 4/10/2105
2.save --------------------- last modified 4/10/2015
2.save.upload ------------ last modified 4/10/2015
Folder 449 last modified 9/13/2013 holds:
scbl_migration ------------ last modified 10/14/2013
Folder 478 last modified 9/13/2013 holds:
scbl_migration ------------ last modified 10/14/2013
*I notice that folder 420 is the only folder that consistently has dates that reflect my time playing FC4 earlier today for what that's worth. :-\\
Those folders are all from different ubi games and FC4 obviously has got a different number than you expected. Each one of those folders contains savegames. The easiest way to find out which one of them is related to FC4: Play FC5, save, quit, and check where the newest files are in those folders. It will be only one folder with files that have got the most recent time stamps. That's what you're looking for :-D
-> 420.
Art is correct. :)
Quote from: T.V. on March 07, 2015, 07:07:01 AM
The savagame files is typically placed here:
C:\Program Files (x86)\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher\savegames\-long_random_string-\856
:lamp: I suppose the 856 folder is random too, and if You have other Upay games they will have their own "856" folder. Check when the files (1.save, 1.save.upload, 2.save, 2.save.upload) or folders, is last altered, to find witch game they belong to.
Quote from: mandru on April 10, 2015, 10:41:27 PM
Folder 54 last modified 11/11/2014 holds:
1.save --------------------- last modified 12/18/2012
1.save.metadata -------- last modified 12/18/2012
2.save --------------------- last modified 11/11/2014
2.save.metadata -------- last modified 4/9/2013
2.save.upload ------------ last modified 11/11/2014
Folder 420 last modified 4/10/2015* holds:
1.save --------------------- last modified 4/10/2015
1.save.upload ------------ last modified 4/10/2105
2.save --------------------- last modified 4/10/2015
2.save.upload ------------ last modified 4/10/2015
Folder 449 last modified 9/13/2013 holds:
scbl_migration ------------ last modified 10/14/2013
Folder 478 last modified 9/13/2013 holds:
scbl_migration ------------ last modified 10/14/2013
*I notice that folder 420 is the only folder that consistently has dates that reflect my time playing FC4 earlier today for what that's worth. :-\\
The files within the 420 folder is altered when You last played FC4, it is 4 of them, and with the correct names.
So it is definitely the files within Your 420 folder You should move / remove. :)
Thanks guys for the confirmation on that. Now I know how to proceed. :-X
Good topic, gents - I really appreciate how OWG members help one another - it's part of what makes this a special place. :-X
Found Sabal at the camp south of Lake Visalakhutta (x475.4 y783.2), where one of the armed escort missions ends, I think.
He was taken out by a rhino before I got to him... ????
So I loaded one of my "savegame files copy's", and went right back to the spot, finding him praying.
He did not take any notice of me, until I pointed my weapon at him; then he got up and made gestures like "no please, don't shoot"... >:D
I spared him, and let him continue his prayers, when a rhino appeared.
Couldn't let the rhino do him, so I took it out with the buzzsaw.
Sabals contribution to taking out the threat, was to flee behind the tent crunching down in fear, like a "true civilian". ::)
:laugh: :-X
:-D
:laugh: :-X
A couple additional observations.
Spoiler
Sabal the high and holy observer of tradition: Beats you to death with what your father would have wanted when on closer examination your father whored out your mother (the Tarun Matara no less) to spy on Min and then flips out because she does such a spanking good job of it.
Amita the self proclaimed first woman in the Golden Path (It's a lie*): Beats you to death with what your mother would have wanted.
The Guard posted outside the door in Shanath when you go to meet Amita to receive the mission to capture The Kings Bridge makes an interesting comment. He says "This land has seen many wars going clear back to Banashur and Yulung. Maybe it's all the same conflict."
*Amita's lie? In one of the cut scenes (or maybe I'm merging two different cut scenes working from memory :-\\ ) Ajay asks "Did my mom and dad really start the Golden Path?"
Amita in an excited voice responds "They did! Your mother was a smart woman. She knew what she was doing when she sent you back here..."
So Amita admits that there was a woman in the Golden Path before her! That would negate all of her claim to be the first.
Good points on all counts :-X
I love your analyses mandru 8)
Once again the game refused to allow me the spare Pagan Min ending. :D
The only thing I can think of and will try on my next attempt is instead of blowing through that part quickly I'll remove the no detect cheat and see if that makes a difference. I know that was a necessary condition to fight the final boss in the Shangri-La missions. If that doesn't fix it I'll give up on trying to get that ending and just enjoy digging into the nooks and crannies of the rest of the game. ;)
I've noticed a conflict. You might call it a continuity error that fails to hold up under closer examination
Early on in the game when Sabal speaks to Ajay about his team being available to effect Ajay's rescue from Pagan/De Pleur (and the torture of crab rangoon) he says something along the lines of "We were in the area and spotted Pagan Min's helicopter. We had to check it out because he rarely travels this far South."
The conflict arises in the fact that at game start when you first gain movement control of your character if you bring up the map it clearly shows your location as being almost due East of the outpost named Border Observation Post. You are up in the mountains (unreachable later by buzzer) but still just a hop, skip and a jump from Pagan Min's fortress in the Northeastern most part of the game map.
The border observation post does make some minimal sense as you are coming into Kyrat from India by bus.
Then that first bell tower you have to reach (to complete the tutorial/"Prologue" where the avalanche takes place) to meet back up with Sabal the geographic location conflict continues. Again when the map is checked for location it's even further North and very close to the East South East of Min's Fortress.
Prologue complete and you're walking into Banapur like you've just been for a stroll down to the corner SpeedyMart for a slushie and a bag of crisps to find you've magically diagonally crossed the entire bloody game map N.E. to S.W. (including the King's Bridge) with no further conflict whatsoever. ???
I guess this sort of thing happens when you have many different teams working on various aspects of a project and then have to stitch it all together to meet a release deadline. :-D
excellent stuff in your spoiler, mandru. I love the slushie & bag of crisps part :laugh:
+1 :-X for the whole package :-D
+1 from me too, I love how you continue to uncover these nuggets mandru :-X :-D
I never even thought to try looking at the map during the introductory sequence.
I also love the "slushie & bag of crisps part :laugh:
I started a new game a few days ago, and I picked up the exact thing you mentioned in your post mandru except, you picket up the cross country jump I didn't think off at the time.
And i also think it was Amita who said to Ajay that the Northern part is completely inaccessible :D
Excellent observation +1 from me also mate :-X
Thanks guys. I blame it on having too much time on my hands and the immersion factor I'm finding in FC4. :-D
I'm enjoying digging into the varied subtleties of the game. There's a lot of lore, a lot of daily scuffles from varied families, triumphs and defeats large and small. There's tons of information provided through not only the scripted dialog of the varied personalities in Kyrat but also the notes scattered everywhere.
Yet more internal/infernal ramblings
I've yet to nail down who Sir Nigel is and the role he plays in the back story. I've found his home and a few of his notes the most significant being the one in the mine where you confront Yuma. That particular note tells Yuma to run for her life as she is going to die. Whether Sir Nigel is some sort of mystic or harnessing drug induced visions I can't say. I haven't found enough info on him to fill in those gaps. And there's my yet unanswered pondering as to whether he is The Goat behind all those offerings attempting to revive Yalung.
There's the goddess Yakshini a seemingly tertiary deity who has several locations dedicated to her and a few notes from her adherents (read that as enslaved followers). While there is little info about her it seems that she is related to her disciples' escape from reality with abandonment of family and responsibility through drug addiction. She seems to be the consuming harsh mistress.
Another
pair of notes I found to be of particular interest start with the one you read that triggers the cinematic scene in the mine where Yuma blows the hallucinogenic fungus dust into your face.
Once you regain control of your character reread that note! Bolded words have been inserted so they stand out and you directly receive the first half of a message from your mother Ishwari. The second half of Ishwari's message to her son is in the passageway on a shelf a short ways after you begin to pursue Yuma who has morphed into the visage of Kalinag.
Even as an Urn full of ashes Ishwari is still very much a player in the game of FC4.
It seems that (through whatever spiritual giftings a Harun Matara may have) she had determined that Ajay
had to enter the multi-level conflict-torn battlefield that is the spiritually, morally and physically wounded Kyrat
with out any preconceptions. She had raised him to know right from wrong and that by being uncontaminated was the only way he could return home to Kyrat without predetermined biases and ultimately assume the mantle of the ultimate warrior Kalinag.
Think about it.
Ishwari
was after all the last family member to set foot in the Ghale homestead. By killing her husband she defended herself against Mohan's jealousy which was spawned by the conditions he had thrust upon her by inserting her into Min's Palace as a deep cover spy. She then fled to the U.S. with Ajay. It seems to me that it was
at her instruction that the Kyrati monks came into the Ghale home where they painstakingly divided and scattered in hiding the five pieces of the ancestral heirloom Thanka. This was necessary preparation towards the fully anticipated time where upon her son Ajay would return to Kyrat and through learning the secrets of the Thanks' segments not only restore it to wholeness he would gain power of purpose as well as a spiritual awareness of the roots of his real heritage.
It would have been Uber-cool if after either the third or possibly final Shangri-La mission Ajay had the option of wielding Kalinag's tooth knife in place of the khukri. The other FC games gave the option of more than one personal carry blade. ^-^
Personally I feel that the game developers really dropped the ball by not allowing a game conclusion where Ajay becomes the unchallenged leader of Kyrat with Bhadra at his side.
Seriously! If you can't stand schmaltz or happen to be diabetic you can skip this bit
It would have been ideal for Ajay the self proven champion, son of a Harun Matara to return to his homeland in its darkest hour, winning the hearts of the people healing the land and taking his mother's (herself a living goddess) successor as wife. I doubt that any deity (a living god or goddess) would really give a crap one way or another about pomp and ceremonies created by mankind including Sabal's ritual to publicly elevate Bhadra to something she already was. And yet, I can't help but imagine their wedding.
Ajay with Bhadra on his left the side closest to his heart. Together they descend the stone steps at the front of the ruined Jalendu Temple. There's a stirring in the aether around them and the spirit tiger suddenly stands at Ajay's right while the spirit elephant affectionately bumps Bhadra from the left with its trunk. Above their heads the Fifth and golden Shangri-La bell is revealed. As it tolls a single peal the temple is not only restored to new it's reformed to reflect the architecture of Shangri-La. As in the effect used to reveal locations surrounding the bell towers (when hijacked) the POV camera sweeps around the temple to take in its newly formed perfection. Then the camera sweeps away to several key spots in Kyrat showing the healing of the land and the people.
The poppy fields vanish and the original tea plantations stand anew in their place.
The hearts of the remnants of the royal army are turned and upon finding themselves crushed under the weight of their own self-condemnation they throw their weapons aside, fall to their faces and beg forgiveness of the people they were a mere moment ago fighting or abusing. The miracle spreads as the people of Kyrat who's hearts have also been touched pour forgiveness upon their now broken and repentant former enemies.
Desecrated shrines and ruins across the land are restored.
And somewhere deep within the earth... A restive Yalung flexes long dormant arms and legs. Preparing to play his hand, he is massive and horrifying in scale and obvious latent power. At the penetrating peal of the bell he looks up startled and gives an anguished scream that is cut off as he is encapsulated and entombed in a golden sphere (possibly the left over bits from Pagan's personal self-worshiping monument ;) ) which is then bound (locking the prison) with seven sacred seals.
OK, I won't break out the glorious sweeping rainbows, I'll spare you the rhino's turning into unicorns and demon fish becoming lively prank playing freshwater dolphins. You get the idea.
I'll admit it. I mandru, am a hopeless romantic. ::)
you could write/produce Bollywood movies. :-D
mandru, you blow my mind, mate :-() :-X
The extent of my plumbing of the depths has pretty much consisted of seeing how long I can remain underwater before getting chewed on by a demonfish. None of the subtextual subtleties that you have discerned would ever have occurred to me.
My approach to FC4 has largely been: If it moves, shoot it, and if it's a rock that looks like a rhino, shoot it just in case it is.
Here's to you, O revered sage 8)
same here, fragger.. FC4 = shoot 'em up. No time for stories. :-D
OK, finished the game last night. A few thoughts, comments, questions.
I didn't kill Amita, so she's off somewhere I guess. Didn't kill Min, got to place the ashes and pick up the last journal, then shot down Min's heli with an explosive arrow. Sat through the entire credits to see if there were any Easter eggs, didn't see any, so wasted time.
Walked back up to the palace to loot Min's body, got his pen and the medal for 600K which I don't really need. Went up to the palace and looked around. Too bad you can't claim that as another safe house, you'd think that would be the final prize for killing Min. At least there should be some locals there doing something, I mean it's the frikkin national palace, you'd think someone would take claim to it. Missed opportunity there on the dev's part.
Now for the question. I was back at the Ghale homestead and saw the golden pipe you get from the last Yogi mission sitting on the bench near the door. Went to interact with it and the game crashed. Once it was loaded again, the pipe was no longer something that could be interacted with. What did I miss? I went outside to the mission marker and they were there at the tent and essentially said good bye. Nothing more. So, what's the golden pipe mission?
Amita is found at the sherpa yak enclosure north of Banapur ;)
http://farcry.wikia.com/wiki/Amita (http://farcry.wikia.com/wiki/Amita)
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on April 29, 2015, 06:43:57 AMSo, what's the golden pipe mission?
From the wiki, link see GKID's post, I found this:
QuoteAfter finishing all Yogi and Reggie missions you will receive a pipe from them. You will find the pipe on a desk next to the door inside the Ghales house. If you use the pipe, you will suddenly wake up in a random location somewhere in Kyrat. This location will change every time.
Thanks for the info guys, though like I said, I couldn't access the golden pipe after that, so I think I broke it lol
That's weird D_B. The pipe has never caused a glitch for me.
I'd posted regarding the pipe over here: http://www.openworldgames.org/owg/forums/index.php?topic=3654.msg74145;topicseen#msg74145 (http://www.openworldgames.org/owg/forums/index.php?topic=3654.msg74145;topicseen#msg74145)
I'm still working on the non-dead Min ending. I'm starting to lose count on the number of times through the game but hopefully I'll get it this time around.
Yeah I reloaded the game last night to finish up and the golden pipe worked this time.
Went to see Amita, too bad there isn't some final cutscene to finish off the character arc for her. She seems to be in hiding up there in the mountains with a few loyal guards, but just hanging around and cowering in the corner whenever an animal comes by to attack, which seemed quite a lot. I left her alive.
Now that I mention it, it seems after the main game is over there are a lot of animal attacks, do they ramp those up because there are fewer bad guys to kill? Not that there are no bad guys, they are still around a bit, but it seems that every 10 seconds someone was getting attacked by some animal.
Went to see Sabal kill off the last of his enemies in the Golden Path and then killed him and his cronies, just to see what happened, which was nothing lol.
Finally killed an elephant to skin it. I avoided killing any elephants during the game for some reason, maybe I just like elephants? Anyway, never got an elephant skin, just flesh and damaged skin, depending on how I killed it. Even just using arrows which should get a clean kill and double skin, just got me flesh.
Cleaned up the last bomb defusing mission which I missed somehow, and the last loot chest that I could get, the other is in vault 3 and I can't get in there, must have missed it when that mission came around or never got a mission to go in there. That's the vault that you can use the no clip trick with the tuk-tuk to get that one pesky underground location point, but I couldn't use the trick to get inside the vault, so just one loot chest missing from that perfect score.
I'm not too interested in endless arena fighting to get to level 10 to get that last special weapon, so that's out, I'll have to be satisfied with 99.8% complete lol.
I might start a new game just to see a few things differently, but most likely won't finish it. FC4 is over, on to the next thing, which is probably GTA5.
I haven't fired up FC4 for months. GTA V is so fun :-() :-D
D_B, FC4 seems to be rather boring once you've done the missions and collected whatever items you wanted. Animal attacks are from my experience just the same, I had far too many during the game and far too many after the game which is the main reason I resorted to using cheats.
GTAV, however.. I haven't yet cheated and don't feel the need for it which is a good sign, meaning it is well balanced and that you can achieve what you have in mind without having to suffer through silly scripted stuff. Random events and funny AI and some cop chases once in a while.. you can shoot birds out of the sky and run over dogs and cats and all sorts of animals. It is a very lively and diverse world. You'll very likely enjoy that game. I dare say, a lot ;)
Killing elephants early on in the game (before maxing at level 8 ) deducts Karma Points. I had set an elephant to attack an outpost and a truck that through my own efforts damaged badly was burning. When it blew it killed the elephant and I got dinged for something like -50 karma.
Animal attacks? :D
I've given up on trying to assist with vehicle repairs for karma points because I've almost never been able to fix a ride for someone and get to them fast enough to get the reward before something comes along and tries to eat their face.
The mission where you chase Min in a buzzer and try to kill him
Once you've killed the fake Min and you are standing over his body there is only a prompt to Move him. A Search prompt does not appear.
If you force a search instead of the move action the fake Min's wig comes off. If you move him you won't get a chance to see him without the wig.
As for the game being boring after completing it a couple times I've been well entertained by seeking out different approaches to the various missions. But then even FC2 wasn't suited to everyone's tastes. ;)
LOL nice hairy find :-X :-D
And you're right there, if you play through more than once it will certainly be entertaining when trying different approaches. :) If only I could skip those hipster and Shangri-La missions..
Quote from: mandru on April 30, 2015, 11:34:18 PM
As for the game being boring after completing it a couple times I've been well entertained by seeking out different approaches to the various missions. But then even FC2 wasn't suited to everyone's tastes. ;)
Quite right - video games for me are just like any other form of entertainment, for instance, the movies and music I like are most often not the same as someone else. On the other hand, sometimes a real blockbuster like FC2 debuts which develops a cult following.
Started a couple new games last night, the first one to try out just staying at the dinner table to see if Min comes back, which he did, we went off to place the ashes and then "Let's shoot some &$^#*#(* guns" lol quickest game ever.
Second I put in the standard cheats for god mode, no AI, etc and just did the beginning part up to where you get to the tower then the avalanche hits. Mostly I wanted to know where it was as I had never been back there during the main game. Turns out I guess you can't get back there? The map shows you in the north, just south and east of Min's fortress, and I know that valley isn't there, so I think the map is wrong as you play the prologue part. Not sure where that valley, and De Pleur's torture room house is, but it's not on the standard terrain map. Maybe a poke around in the map editor would give a clue, but it doesn't look like you can get back there.
I may poke around a bit more with the cheats on, but not much. I'm off to crank up Steam right now and get GTA 5 downloading, so that it can eat up my entire weekend lol.
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on May 01, 2015, 09:21:42 AM
... I'm off to crank up Steam right now and get GTA 5 downloading, so that it can eat up my entire weekend lol.
:laugh: :-X
:-D
I'm beginning to think I have a copy of the game where the Let Pagan Live ending has been locked out. I tried removing the No Detect cheat and still no dice. The pistol came up there was no "You've got a moment to decide".
It was straight away pistol drawn and Bang! The last and only remaining variable I can think of is that I have to play that final confrontation with Pagan while connected Online.
Also this time through the game The SA-50 was unlocked when I defeated Yuma.
I"d incorrectly speculated in an earlier post that the SA-50 could possibly be obtained off one of the soldiers posted at the Northern most bell tower once you get past King's Bridge. That proved to be wrong. I went straight to that bell tower and used a take down on each and every guard present to examine the weapons they dropped. I also went on to (approaching from the ground) climbing each and every bell tower after that to examine the drops of all the rest of the bell tower guards.
Bottom line was that none of the soldiers at the bell towers were packing the SA-50.
Strange you're having such trouble letting Pagan live. I had no issues like that, I followed Sabal's missions through the game, and was allowed to let Amita live, which I did, then I let Pagan live until I shot down the chopper after placing the ashes and stuff.
There must be some other variable in play, like completing other side missions or something?
I had the same issue -- no choice, game killed him for me.
I also got to the point with Ajay pointing the gun at Pagan, I decided to wait and see what happens, after a short while the gun went off by it self killing Pagan :D
I found the Z93 to be more powerful than the SA-50 ???
I think there was another moment in the game before killing Pagan when I was supposed to choose whether to kill or not to but the gun went off without me being able to prevent it, no choice prompt, nothing.
With all cheats disabled I'll wrap up my next run online to see if that won't fix this issue.
The Z93 is rated to be more powerful but I like the slick semi-auto action, reduced recoil and faster fire rate of the SA-50.
A few moments ago I was messing around in a player uploaded game (I think it was called "Easy Going") that I'd downloaded and reopened in the map editor setting all the enemies to be highlighted. One of the pickup weapons scattered through out the round was the SA-50. I was taking out highlighted targets through a concrete wall.
I'll need to pick up one of the more powerful Z93s that are also available earlier in that downloaded game as well to run a side by side comparison and see if it has the same penetrating force as the SA-50. For sheer power the Signature version if the Z93 uses explosive rounds.
Which all in all does give it its own personal charm. ^-^
Interesting find there mandru, will keep a lookout for the results on the Z93 vs SA-50 test
Same here - I tend to favor the SA-50 for it's suppressed characteristic, and I don't have problem with most of the targets except a heavily armored heavy
I've yet to find a suppressed Z93 in the player generated files to compare against the silenced SA-50 but both rifles (SA-50 w/silencer and without) seem to be on a par at penetration with the Z93.
It's easier taking down a heavy with the Z93 than the SA-50, that's why I like it more >:D
headshots are what count against heavies. If you literally shoot them into their face which is not protected, you can even use a regular firearm. If you shoot the back of the head, the helmet will fly off first. :-D
Quote from: mandru on March 27, 2015, 11:18:21 PM
I need to find out what it was that fragger did in the one game he related to us where Ajay got to place his mom's urn and watch Min depart on the copter.
Having been incommunicado for a few weeks I wasn't able to report further on this.
This time around I did all of Sabal's missions, and when it came time to off Amita I let her walk. When I got to the final Pagan scene, the game let me hold off on shooting him and I got the ash-scattering scene.
mandru, I think you did try this sequence of play, so why it won't let you spare Pagan I don't know... I did nothing else out of the ordinary.
One thing I'm finding in my current game is that no "Pagan's Wrath" missions are appearing, despite the fact that I have taken no fortresses yet and am halfway through the game. I've taken all the southern outposts, done all side missions (including the first two Shangri-La ones) and am at the point just after Noore has taken her fall. I've played the game this way before so I don't know why there are no Wrath missions forthcoming this time ???? I haven't done Willis yet though, dunno if that's a factor. Can't imagine why it would be.
The same as you fragger, only I was doing Amita's missions. I did all the tower missions, all Shangri-La, Willis, Yogi & Reggie and Longinus missions before the first Pagan's Wrath mission appeared
Thanks for the info fragger.
I've not gotten straight back into the game recently as I've been downloading player maps and then playing them in the map maker utility. Playing the maps there allows me to set my preferred conditions on each map up to and including better lighting, weapon selection, highlight enemies, invincibility and even invisibility (select Esc key and enable from In Game Options) if I so wish. I think I prefer the extraction maps. Some of the larger assault maps require you kill every one and that can take some time if the map maker has gotten crafty and stashed soldiers in hard to find and access locations.
There are times the utility gets stubborn on loading or changing screens so after waiting a reasonable time to switch from play mode back to the edit screen I've found using Alt-Tab to toggle away and back again forces the edit screen to cooperate.
Wow, mandru - you squeeze every single drop of playability out of a game! :-X
:-D
Cheers nex :) Maybe I do need to do all those things before Pagan and his Wrath show up. I don't remember having to do all that before though, but then I am an ageing bugger and some of my neurons have gone AWOL over the years...
Earlier in this thread I was having the same trouble with Pagan's Revenge not showing up. Not getting the Heavy take down unlocked is a real pain in the butt.
After a long conversation and several back and fourths this post best sums up the process I followed:
http://www.openworldgames.org/owg/forums/index.php?topic=3654.msg74967#msg74967 (http://www.openworldgames.org/owg/forums/index.php?topic=3654.msg74967#msg74967)
By finding and moving the contents (four files) in the save folder that was updating each time I accessed FC4 (to an archive folder on my desktop) when committing to a restart has prevented a re-occurrence of that problem for me.
When launching, UPlay may toss up a dialog screen saying that there is a discrepancy between Local and Online game files and will then give the option to select from those two choices on how it should proceed. Selecting Local allows for a reset.
That said this change in the save files will not remove any levels you have reached in Noore's Arena.
A gamer wrote online that if you spare Pagan at the end of the final cutscene and shoot down his chopper after the ash-scattering scene, then go back later and loot his body for his pen, then go back to where the ashes are "scattered" and place Pagan's pen on a plate, it will open a door in his mansion and there is some kind of Easter Egg inside. He wouldn't say what the surprise was, only that he would let others "find it for themselves".
I tried and I tried but I couldn't find any kind of plate inside the shrine (other than the tray that the ashes are placed on, which I couldn't interact with), nor could I interact with any of the plates on the dining table inside the house. I did notice that Ajay's plate was empty after the ash-scattering scene (actually I could see the tabletop through it), whereas during the scene with Min it had food on it. The person who posted the comment said that "a button on the controller needs to be pushed" to put the pen on the plate, which suggests to me that he was playing a console version of the game. Whether this apparent secret has been programmed solely into the console version of the game I don't know.
The door in question is, I suspect, the one to the left of where the note from Ajay's mother to Pagan is stuck on the wall just outside the dining room. I tried a C4 charge on the door but it did nothing.
So either there's a secret still waiting to be plumbed, or the gamer who posted the info has a sick penchant for wasting people's time and/or driving them nuts ????
Quote from: fragger on June 19, 2015, 08:47:16 AM
So either there's a secret still waiting to be plumbed, or the gamer who posted the info has a sick penchant for wasting people's time and/or driving them nuts ????
If
you can't find it, fragger, I suspect the latter 8-X
I've been killing a lot of time downloading player created challenges. So I still haven't gotten back into the game to be anywhere close enough to check this out.
I'm still not sure if my version of the game even allows the spare Min option. :-\\
It is an intriguing possibility though. :-X
Depends on your playstyle/choices what the game allows you to do.
I think that a chain of events as described above is far fetched. For instance, I have not been able to spare Min as the game shot him for me. I read here that I am not the only one trying to avoid that kind of auto-execution. So even if it works, letting Min survive, it is quite a leap to think of shooting him down when he escapes. The next leap is to consider finding and looting his body. And then it is a bloody huge leap to walk back, fumble around with controls and oh, I can drop his pen on a plate.. and then oh, a secret door..
To me it sounds so far fetched that I'd love to wrap my keyboard around some dev's head if it was true that you'd find an "Easter egg" that way.
Well, I know it's all doable except for the pen-on-the-plate part. I always seem to get the option of sparing Min no matter how I've played through. First time around I deliberately shot him, but after that I've always waited and I've always gotten the sparing option. I can't understand why some folks never seem to get that option - I know mandru has tried all sorts of approaches, including ones I've used myself, to no avail. Flipping weird. Maybe the installing of the game is like some kind of lottery :-\\
You can shoot Min down while he's leaving after the ash-scattering scene, I've always done that too. You just need to make sure you go to the final meeting (and the battle at the Royal Fortress preceding it) with an RPG, grenade launcher or bow with explosive arrows - anything that shoots an explosive projectile so you can clobber his chopper. His body is always in the same place afterwards when you do that, near the burnt-out wreck of his helicopter next to the road leading up to his mansion, so it's easy to find.
But I think that pen-on-the-plate thing may indeed be BS.
Yeah, I spared him, did the ashes thing and then shot down the chopper, and got his pen, so I also can confirm that much is possible. Taking the pen back to the shrine and placing it somewhere, though, sounds a bit sketchy to me too. Though, if you do get his pen, and happen to sell it, you can go back to his corpse and get another one, so there's always one there, so there may be something to it? I don't have that save game anymore, so I doubt I will ever try it, but until I see a video of someone doing it, I won't consider it real.
Agreed, seeing is believing :)
I tried offering up the pen to all sorts of plates, bowls, candles, incense holders and so on, but no interact option of any sort appeared. I tried the fire button (blew a hole in a plate), tried aiming (got a close-up of the late), tried the camera (got an even closer close-up of the plate), tried accessing the loot sack - nothing. There's a Buddha-type statue in the mansion holding out a bowl but I couldn't get into a position to try putting the pen on it, the bowl is too high up.
The guy who wrote the post said you need to "push a button on the controller" to make it all happen. I think he may be trying to push other people's buttons... ::)
Does the shrine you build in the Ghale homestead have a plate maybe?
No, no there's no space (judging from my memory of the exterior dimensions) on the main floor for there to be a hidden room that a door could open to. :(
Likely would need to dive into the game code for hints, much like the black mamba story in FC2
The person who posted the info said "the place where the ashes are scattered".
This is the post I read, verbatim. It was a comment on You Tube:
"I know a secret location if u go back to where u scattered the ashes with pagins pen u place it on a plate (u have to press a button on the controller) and it opens up a stair case in pagins manson but it also opens the door and u go in there to find something which I'll let you all to find" (sic)
Sometime when I've got nothing better to do I might have another poke around.
In the aftermath of the "I smoked Pagan Min while he chewed a mouthful of Crab Rangoon" ending I've gone back and now after a second looting of Pagan (giving me two of his pens) I revisited the shrine for Lakshmana and there was nothing I was able to trigger in spite of a lot of poking around. Leaving Min's palace I noted that on the passageway back out to the front entry there are indeed two door that could possibly open into previously inaccessible portions of the palace. Which I would say really proves nothing.
I also ransacked Jalendu Temple and the Ghale homestead and could find nothing that looked like a possible receptacle for Min's pen or a possible hidden dead space in the floor plan for a hidden room.
Like the old adage goes: "Pics or it didn't happen"
no vids on YT, speaks for itself
Not making any comments :-\\
I can't even spare the jackass's life so I can blow him out of the sky ::)
I'm wondering if there's some finicky task somewhere that you have to do at a particular time or in the right order or something to enable the sparing option. Maybe it's some approach that some players always take without thinking about it that others don't, like doing one particular side mission before one particular main one, or some such thing. If so, it's dumb. You should always get the option no matter what you do.
Who knows with Ubi ::)
Yeah, I was allowed to spare everyone, so who knows? I did mostly Sabal missions (or only Sabal, forget now) and didn't have to kill anyone. I did all side missions first, before doing main missions, but if that was required, that would be really weird. I didn't kill many civilians if I could avoid it, did a lot of rescuing people from wildlife and being held hostage (at least until my karma was maxed out) so maybe that's it? What karma level was everyone at? I had mine maxed pretty early in the game, about halfway through the first half if that makes any sense. Way before going to the north.
Me too, I've always gotten to Karma level 8 before finishing the first half. I also tend to do all the towers, outposts and side missions before any of the mains.
same, I maxed out my karma as soon and as quickly as possible.
:-D :-X
I finally was able to get the Spare Pagan ending. It was satisfying to get to see that iteration of storyline. I will not admit that I did my happy dance. 8-X
To reach that ending I had played pure Sabal the entire game Offline (with cheats engaged) but at the mission point where it was time to storm the royal palace I exited the game and removed all cheats so I could restart in the Online mode. I think it was the fact that I was playing offline every time (after my first play through) that blocked this alternate ending.
Because I'd not heard of anyone letting Pagan ride off into the sunset I let him go to see if there was any variations in the post game but I haven't detected any so far.
I think when I consider the phone call interactions with Pagan and the brief face time at the beginning and end of the game that I've come to like him a whole lot more than either Amita or Sabal. Frankly I got sick of those two trying to manipulate me by telling me what my parents would have done or been proud of but they always bent the truth around to suit their personal ends trying to secure my cooperation. On my first time through the game I was ready and anxious to put a round into Pagan and jumped at the first opportunity.
Having gone through the game several times now I'm kind of growing fond of the daft old eccentric.
some long winded completely skippable fan-fiction ramblings about dialog that didn't happen in game
I would have loved for Ajay when warned and shoved by Sabal there at Jalendu Temple during Bhadra's purification ritual to have punched back knocking Sabal on his a$$ (with appropriate scripted shocked reactions from all those present) and for Ajay to stand over him threateningly while deliver a dialog along the lines of:
(The scene is set and a slowly circling camera moves to capture the tension ~ Ajay's appearance becomes infused with the aspect of Kalinag continually shifting between one and the other. The white tiger as seen at a few of the shrines around Kyrat but more resplendent in its true form joins Kalinag's side snarling and glaring menacingly at anyone who moves to protect Sabal. I also think that it would really be nice if there were some cool atmospheric effects punctuating Ajay's monologue ;) )
"No Sabal. In looking at what you and Amita have become I'm sure my father and mother would have agreed with Pagan who has been saying all along that I needed to tell you to "Stuff it back in your pants, zip up, sit down and STFU!"
Outside of some minor clean up details while we are encouraging the now unemployed non-native members of Min's troops to self-deport the purpose of Mohan and Ishwari's Golden Path and quite honestly your position as a leader has been fulfilled. Thank you for your service I would suggest you quickly find a day job.
You personally have declared a need of blood for purification and atonement in Kyrat. There's been enough of that on both sides to satisfy even the cravings of Yalung. This desecration of bloodletting in the name of Kyra stops now! You Sabal are the one who will fall into line or become a minor footnote in the continuing history of the followers of Kyra.
You came under my father's guidance as a snot nosed kid. You learned how to fight but never gained the poise or grace to realize your nose is still snotty. The best you ever achieved was a war of attrition that inch by inch you... No! It was Kyrat, that was slowly losing.
In our first meeting you were right but only as far as recognizing that my return to Kyrat was an omen of change. Your pride, your misguided belief that you could begin to understand what the Gods needed from you and your two dimensional perceptions of right and wrong made you incapable of seeing anything other than black and white with nothing in between making it impossible for you to read the winds of change that were so clearly swirling around you!
On the other hand Pagan with all of his flaws, when his blind hunger for revenge over the death of his and Ishwari's daughter my step-sister Lakshmana at the hands of Mohan was sated he became bored and patiently awaited my return.
Even with all of his misguided goals about how to lead Kyrat He greeted my return with no ulterior motives and far more sincerity than either you or Amita. And while I was hidden away by my mother I without knowing it was raised in the loving hands of a living Goddess. My mother was a smart woman she knew what was waiting for me here. When the time came it was her dying wish that I return to Kyrat with everything she'd instilled in me about seeing balance as well as truth to heal this land.
Yes, Pagan greeted me. As soon as he had the chance in that moment where I stopped listening to the collective blood lust you and Amita have exuded into your factions for decades he heaved a sigh of relief seeing his hopes fulfilled and without a single condition (other than his helicopter) ceded the throne of Kyrat to me a native son and child of a Tarun Matara. Yes, you heard right. Min has stepped down and departed from Kyrat leaving me the throne. I held his life in my hands while he calmly awaited my judgment. Sparing him has been my single decision after being given the power of the throne based on my feeling that revenge would not serve Kyra. Know that I will make no more decisions regarding my continued possession or the passing of the the throne of Kyrat to someone deemed more worthy without first seeking full advice and counsel of the Tarun Matara.
So? You fought long and hard against Min and yet I find you here in what should be a time of joy murdering Amita's followers as traitors. These good warriors who also fought full measure against Min every bit as hard as you?
I refuse to use the word "brother" that you enjoyed splashing me with to gain my cooperation in asking you if this is the best of your efforts? Do you think that this is a circus? Some fitting amusement for the entertainment of the young goddess? Have you even bothered to ask her how you should proceed in this nasty business? Right now Sabal you and your followers in the eyes of Kyra are nothing more that a rock that has been blocking open a temple door without a single clue of what's inside simply so that the true followers of Kyra could step past you to enter. You a mere doorstop seek to make the Tarun Matara your puppet? Even if it requires uprooting Kyrat's mountains and filling the valleys with the rubble I will not allow that obscenity.
I have witnessed that even in youth she is wise beyond understanding and that it has been her promptings as well as the hand of Kyra that brought me... Brought us, to this moment, here and now. Keeping or leaving the throne is of little difference to me beyond the need for the right person to fill it. In this moment I see far more need for a protector companion for the Tarun Matara."
(The tiger looks up quizzically and gets an affectionate head rub from a hand morphing to that of Kalinag's)
Speaking to the tiger "Yes, protector companion. Even as you welcomed Kalinag, walked with him and fought at his side in a time of great need. You both acted freely and yet moved as one in purpose."
Turning back to Sabal "If it's required I will abandon all to become the protector of the Tarun Matara. That is if she'll allow me to serve her in that capacity.
From this time forward Bhadra; And Yes! She has a name Sabal. Outside of the small box of your limited comprehension that you are trying to force her to be confined in, she is not a thing to possess. That is the same shameful mistake my father Mohan made and it will not be repeated. She is a caring feeling young woman who needs to find her own footing and time to blossom and must not be forced to take another single footstep that is not of her own will nor forced make any choice between distasteful options that are outside of her choosing.
If she is not allowed the freedom to come into her full potential Kyrat will never heal. It and its people will continue to wither in its current bondage as your own insane behavior exhibits. If you are unable to set aside your ambitions to be able to see that truth I will take no pleasure in putting you down by my own hand and be the one to light your funeral pyre.
So Sabal. The decision is yours. I'll let you pick your path but know that you are under the watchful gaze of the Tarun Matara and that she is weighing and sifting your soul like grains of sand through her fingers. Understand that she is more gentle and inclined towards mercy than I am so you need to keep in mind that instead of pissing me off it would be a lot healthier for you and your faction to spend your time praying to Kyra for her guidance in overcoming your warped ambition and that the Tarun Matara and I may still have some use for you."
(Sorry this is the mushy obligatory scene of triumph ~Tiger roars, the ground shakes, anyone except Ajay still standing one falls on their faces. Kalinag fades out until it's just Ajay who extends his hand to Bhadra and and she rises and comes to him accepting it. Cue sunset, happily singing birds and a rainbow. ::)
- OK, OK. I know. That's way too long of a cut scene and far too smarmy for most gamers. I just have too big of a soft of a spot for sappy happy endings. :angel:
in case you should ever wonder what to do with your spare/thinking time, I suggest you consider becoming an author as in a novel writer. :)
LOL, I agree, that's some extensive fan fiction there.
Well if it wasn't for my paralyzing fear of rejection and considering the ongoing trouble I've had finding an illustrator to be able to publish a cute little youth fiction I wrote several years ago I think that would be a great idea. :-D
Just pretend the publisher is a merc that is need of treatment and that paralyzing fear will vanish like the fog on a sunny day. :-() I would not worry about an illustrator; rarely does the author have the talent to do both, and publishers have teams of illustrators to put your ideas into reality.
I say go for it :-X
couldn't have said that any better -- bloody hell, go for it :-()
Quote from: mandru on July 16, 2015, 11:13:54 PM
Well if it wasn't for my paralyzing fear of rejection...
mandru, remember when I talked about how scared I was to give in to my sleep paralysis? You told me to go with it and I would have a sweet sleep. Well... ;)
I know it's easy for me to say, but the fact is that when trying anything new, if you don't have a go you'll never know :)
For what it's worth, I think, and I always have thought, that you have an innate talent with the written word :-X I couldn't begin to put them together the way you do.
EDIT: See? I totally forgot to say what a cool bit of writing that was back there :-()
aye :-D
Even I, with no experience or knowledge about the storyline in FC4, have really enjoyed reading your alternate story ending :)
I agree on the general opinion here; go for it!
You have what it takes and, more important even, are enjoying it. :-X ;)
I love reading, I'm no expert, and I'm not reading novels written by writers like J.R.R. Tolkien, who's only ranked 78th or Harper Lee who wrote To Kill a Mockingbird, This one I did read, also watched the movie.
Ok, to get back to the subject, you are a natural author in my book mandru my friend, I love reading all your posts
Thanks guys.
By the by mandru, I'm really glad you finally got to see the final scene in FC4. Whenever I've read any of your analyses about the story, and especially those about Pagan, I've really had to bite my virtual tongue because I hoped you'd finally get to that last scene, see it for yourself and be vindicated. I didn't want to diminish the satisfaction for you :)
:)
Thanks fragger. The game made me remove all cheats, go online and play by the rules to get to see it. ::)
Now I'll spend some time rummaging around with the cheats back in place to see if I can detect any differences with the let Pagan live ending.
One thing I've noticed with the infinite ammo cheat in place it's a pain to keep dumping excess cash. So I'm not missing the jackpot you get from looting pagan's body. :-D
:-()
I just noticed this.
As a result of my most recent play through FC4 (having killed Amita for Sabal) during my post game rampaging I came back across the town of Tirtha and was surprised that the place was pretty broken up and it's people were largely injured or suffering. There was also a lot of angry dialog aimed at me for siding with Sabal or more to the point my killing of Amita. It appears that the opposing faction had come through Tirtha and torn the town apart for their choosing to side with Amita.
This would mean I need to go through the game yet again. ::)
It looks like (in post game) I need to seek out the town that gets razed when you side with Amita by destroying Jalendu temple and go on to Kill Sabal to be able pick up the dialog tracks that should be forthcoming from that set of town's people who should be equally pissed at me. ;)
I suspect it will be Utkarsh though it has already been torn up once by the artillery shelling depending on your mission alignment selections. Utkarsh is also located in Mid-Kyrat but we will see. The only other town I can think of that could be affected by faction revenge is Banapur (the first town you enter after the tutorial) but Amita and Sabal seemed to be equally represented there so that seems unlikely.
It's also possible that Tirtha (and Tirtha only) is damned either way you play out the game. It' may be that I will find no other ruined town as I've described above. :-\\
We already know that Tirtha is also deeply wounded in the variant ending where Amita with her thugs are conscripting all of the town's children against their parent's wishes and pressing the children into involuntary service to suit Amita's personal ambitions under the guise of what best serves the Golden Path.
Wow, just when you thought mandru couldn't possibly squeeze another drop from FC4, a new splatter appears after it hits the ground. LOL
:-D
Yep, he's quite the Sherlock with this game :-D If the Ark of the Covenant was hidden somewhere in the game he'll find it.
Well done mandru :-X
The Ark? ????
Oh! That old thing.
It's located on the 4th Shangri-La mission. The elephant will take you to it if you ask it nicely. :laugh:
I know it's an old game. I do try to keep my discovery posts here interesting for those who've played FC4 while omitting the simpler pleasures of things like making pigs fly using grenade tipped arrows. ;)
LOL! :laugh:
nice. :-D
:laugh:
No one squeezes more out of a game than mandru :-X