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Title: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 11, 2014, 09:26:53 AM
OK, I think we're going to experience some performance problems and here we collect everything.

First off, there is a new nVidia driver out  with ACU optimisation. WHQL, version # 344.65
http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/79527/en-us (http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/79527/en-us)

keep checking for driver updates

And this here is a short vid that shows how stutter and all that occurs on a PC, what the game looks like with very low settings and so on. As long as we don't have maximum specs hardware and optimised drivers, we're going to have to tweak around some and hope for fixes in form of driver updates and patches.

The specs of the uploader are
CPU - i7 4770 3.4GHz
GPU - Asus R9 270x 2GB
HDD - 1TB
RAM - 8GB
OS - Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit

Assassin's Creed Unity R9 270x (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5gqsztV3gE#ws)
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: JRD on November 11, 2014, 09:57:40 AM
I'm not too far from his specs...  ^-^

Mine are

CPU - i3 3.3GHz
GPU - GeForce GTX 560 Ti 1GB
HDD - 1TB
RAM - 8GB
OS - Windows 7 64bits

Obviously the extra GB on his GPU makes a huge difference, but I'm guessing I'll be able to run this game pretty smoothly
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Stiku on November 11, 2014, 10:36:33 AM
http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst14-11-1BetaWINReleaseNotes.aspx (http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDCatalyst14-11-1BetaWINReleaseNotes.aspx)

AMD Specific driver for the COD:AWF and AC:U.

Minimium specs were :

OS: Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8/8.1 (64-bit operating system required)
Processor: Intel Core i5-2500K @ 3.3 GHz or AMD FX-8350 @ 4.0 GHz
Memory: 6 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680 or AMD Radeon 7970 (2GB VRAM)
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 11, 2014, 10:41:15 AM
mine is

CPU i5 3570k @ 3.4 GHz
GPU GTX660 3GB
HDD 1TB / SSD 128GB
RAM 16GB
OS W7 Ultimate 64
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Stiku on November 11, 2014, 10:44:42 AM
Well, Art can be the Guinea pig for the game, then he can actually tell us, how the game performs.
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 11, 2014, 10:45:33 AM
 :-D slightly below minimum, my gfx

will let you know.
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: nexor on November 11, 2014, 11:43:43 PM
Art, you and I have the same GPU, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the 660 a 2GB?   :-\\

Mine is

CPU   Intel Core i5-3570K@ 3.4GHz
RAM  DDR3-Dual 32GB
GPU  NVIDIA Geforce GTX 660 2GB
OS    Win 7 Home Premium 64-bit
HDD  Seagate Barracuda 2TB
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Binnatics on November 12, 2014, 01:58:21 AM
I am a bit worried that Vista is not matching... I don't plan to play this game, but I bet there will be more games that leave Vista behind :-\\
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Binnatics on November 12, 2014, 02:17:18 AM
Checking the video they seem to have to drop the graphics quality a LOT in order to have smooth gameplay. What remains a bad graphics, as in REALLY bad graphics. Isn't it weird, that the game apparently delivers such bad quality to a system that is really not that old or cheap at all?

Progression in graphics quality is great, but not at all cost, I'd say. I wonder if there hadn't been a better way to deliver the game. Or maybe this is just going to be the new Crysis ;)

Edit:
Performance reviews on Steam forums; mostly negative...

[smg id=7310 align=left size=80]
Not Recommended
(http://store.steampowered.com/app/289650/#app_reviews_hash)
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: fragger on November 12, 2014, 03:18:26 AM
Time to invest in a Cray :-\\
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 03:23:04 AM
Nexor, there are different versions out, I do have 3GB vid ram on my GTX660 which is why I wanted that one.


Re: Reviews on steam:

The reviews started off mostly negative, now the number of reviews is increasing and at the time the number of positive reviews. However, most reviews that I saw came up about an hour after the game was released in the USA, and apparently none of them had access to nVidia's new drivers. Just as an aside, how can some people "recommend" (or not recommend) a game that they had only just fired up but not yet really played.. Then came nVidia that had access to the game so they could optimise their drivers and release them on time. Now, there's still AMD that didn't have access to the game, hence a comparatively huge disadvantage and of course they couldn't pop up with a shiny driver as quickly as nVidia. Now, those reviews reflect people with old drivers, or only nVidia-updated drivers and only then come the first AMD reviews with new drivers. So much for how come the reviews are mostly negative.

Nonetheless, a proper bad start for ACU. And all the driver stuff.. and the demanding minimum hardware.. let alone "recommended" hardware..

Hence this topic.  :)
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: JRD on November 12, 2014, 05:07:32 AM
Yet another reason for me to wait to buy this game. Too many bugs, no propper driver available, minimum specs pretty high....  ????

Nah, I'm better off getting Black Flag on sale in a couple weeks and wait until Unity is fixed and I can play it.

Besides, there's no way I'm upgrading my GPU anytime soon and I want to enjoy the visuals of the games I'm playing now.
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 07:24:39 AM
JRD, you seem to have misunderstood something about the drivers -- by now, there are proper drivers available, the links both for AMD and nVidia are in this very topic :)
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: JRD on November 12, 2014, 07:50:52 AM
Ok, but still.... it sounds way buggy and desperately in need of a few patches, so I can wait until it's fixed. In the meantime I have other games I can be playing.  ;D

I just checked STEAM and the reviews popping there are really, really bad. But again, it's way too soon to complain about it.

I hope you get it all sorted out soon and enjoy your game though!  :-X
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 08:40:14 AM
thanks, I will find out in approximately 6.5 hours from now (unlocks at midnight) but I don't think that I'm going to to see anything better than absolute minimum graphics settings. The hardware requirement for the graphics is extreme at this time, there won't be many people who have the recommended setup, hell, not even the minimum.

I plan to upgrade my graphics card next year, after the release of GTAV. By then, the price for a GTX980 should have dropped a little. For the new card, I will have to replace my power supply unit, too.. the rest of my PC is still good.
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: PZ on November 12, 2014, 08:47:46 AM
I wish it wasn't so dang expensive to upgrade my PC - I would love to play this game on PC with full graphics so I could record videos and take screen captures.
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
You can't upgrade that rig anymore. You need a new one. Which doesn't make it any cheaper.. :-D
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: PZ on November 12, 2014, 10:31:40 AM
That's what would make it so painful - I can do everything on it that I need to, except the more recent games - makes it very hard to justify
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 10:41:23 AM
I think it's a matter of how you approach "PC" -- if you want to justify it with anything else but games, then you will never get an up-to-date gaming PC. However, if you want a PC to play games with, it can do virtually everything else, too. Only better. :-D
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: PZ on November 12, 2014, 11:33:52 AM
True, but my new console in it's entirety costs less than just a new PC graphics card.  I actually hooked the PS4 to my computer monitor, so I can game and have things running on the PC at the same time.  I think it will be a long while before I'm motivated to purchase a new gaming PC  :-()
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 11:52:09 AM
 :-D

Meanwhile:

http://www.vg247.com/2014/11/12/assassins-creed-unity-ubisoft-stock-down/ (http://www.vg247.com/2014/11/12/assassins-creed-unity-ubisoft-stock-down/)
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: PZ on November 12, 2014, 01:37:15 PM
 :o ???

The articles are reporting huge problems on all platforms!

Maybe I'm not far enough in to the game to have experienced anything bad because everything is working perfectly.

It does remind me of the FC2 release - people had all kinds of problems, and reported all kinds of glitches, none of which hit me.  They did patch after patch, and all that accomplished for me was to make the game worse.
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 01:41:36 PM
I'll be allowed to unlock the game in about 80 minutes
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: PZ on November 12, 2014, 01:43:27 PM
Very nice of them to allow you to play the game  :bow
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 01:48:02 PM
best thing: "unlocks November 12" -- it actually unlocks November 12 + 24 hours.

And regarding all those performance problems on all platforms, makes one wonder what platform and specs they were using when developing that game. And, whether those QA actually tested it or just wrote a sci-fi novel when it came to reporting the test results.
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: PZ on November 12, 2014, 01:52:35 PM
Unfortunately they lie so much it has become second nature to the point where they believe their own lies.
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 01:55:28 PM
I think they have one priority: meeting the deadline. In terms of cars, it would equal a half-built model and a box with the remaining spare parts. "It's all there, on time."

"But you postponed the deadline."
"Well, we had to build a bigger box because we had more spare parts than anticipated."
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Stiku on November 12, 2014, 02:02:13 PM
PZ:
You should start checking prices for computer, as the market is now being flooded with new products, and the old gens fastest one are sold quite cheap, 780TI is almost as fast as a GTX980, give or take a few fps which is meaningless, also CPU's compared to 3770k vs 4770k is like 1-2% difference in gaming or desktop use.  8)

Also, if I do choose to get ACU someday, Ill rely purely on the overclocked watercooled raw performance that this computer has, and excessive amount memory.
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: PZ on November 12, 2014, 02:21:34 PM
I haven't checked parts prices in a long time - might just do that for fun to see things have changed.  My PC is old enough so I don't remember what it has in it other than a GTX 295 which is good enough for FC2  :-()
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 02:35:16 PM
 :)
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 04:04:49 PM
OK, just fired up the game with my GTX660/3GB, found out that the game had settled on "high" settings but hey, not going to overextend it. I took a few screenies with those settings (but have now lowered some settings, particularly shadows to low and ambient occlusion off and anti aliasing off and am restarting just now because it didn't feel really smooth. No wonder, given the specs.. ;)  But it runs. :-X
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: PZ on November 12, 2014, 04:23:48 PM
That's great news!  Now we'll see if you have the same issues reported on other web sites
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 04:40:19 PM
so far, so good.. more later.
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: PZ on November 12, 2014, 05:32:43 PM
Quote from: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 04:40:19 PM
so far, so good.. more later.

I can tell AB is in the game - have not seen a post in a while
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 05:36:13 PM
so right :laugh: :-X
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 12, 2014, 07:02:29 PM
Well, with custom (lowered) graphics settings, the game runs smoothly enough even with my GTX660 but it may be due to those 3GB RAM of that particular card. The four cores of my i5 are usually all busy but I haven't seen any of them above 50% usage. My system RAM (16GB) is only being used by around 1/4, so apparently the game doesn't need much more than 4GB RAM on my machine. So far.

[smg id=7314 type=preview align=center caption="custom graphics"]

Currently I am using

Environment Quality: High
Texture Quality: High
Shadow Quality: Low
Ambient Occlusion: Off
Anti-Aliasing: Off
Bloom: On

All that at

1920x1080 (Full HD)
@ 60Hz
Fullscreen
VSync: On
Stretching: Off
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: PZ on November 12, 2014, 07:55:06 PM
Looks good, AB  :-X

I'm about to head back in to the game myself.  Already had a call from my son an hour or so ago asking when I'm going back in  ^-^
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 14, 2014, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: nexor on November 11, 2014, 11:43:43 PMGPU  NVIDIA Geforce GTX 660 2GB

I used GPU-Z to check my video load and it's usually 2.5GB which means my card can handle the game because of the 3GB that I have with my GTX660.

Which means, vid cards with less than 3GB won't w@&k. Ultra-High settings require 3.5GB = 4GB cards

gpu-z: http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/ (http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/)
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Binnatics on November 15, 2014, 05:56:16 AM
Isn't it possible to address some of your 'regular' internal memory to the Video card? That might solve the problem since the game doesn't need much internal memory compared to what most systems have nowadays.
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Art Blade on November 15, 2014, 06:56:03 AM
if it was all the same, why bother producing vid cards with on-board memory at all. Hell, why bother producing vid cards at all if the GPU's w@&k could be done by the CPU and the vid RAM could be part of the system RAM. So I guess not. Probably all a matter of data processing speed, best to do the vid stuff in a vid card and the rest in the main system :)
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: Binnatics on November 15, 2014, 07:37:52 AM
That makes sense. If you'd be able to do so, it would sure give some speed loss, but if that made it possible for Nex to run the game without buying another vid card, I'd say give it a try. A quick google didn't give any results though, on the idea of transferring memory to the GPU :-\\

Edit: It is only possible if you have integrated graphics on your mobo. So no, it's not possible addressing system memory to an independent GPU. Sorry for suggesting a non-existing solution :-D
Title: Re: PC performance. Tips, links and so on
Post by: nexor on November 15, 2014, 11:32:57 AM
Quote from: Binnatics on November 15, 2014, 07:37:52 AM

Edit: It is only possible if you have integrated graphics on your mobo. So no, it's not possible addressing system memory to an independent GPU. Sorry for suggesting a non-existing solution :-D

You almost gave me hope there Binn    :-(   :-D