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Title: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on September 23, 2009, 06:37:31 AM
http://www.rage-game.com/main.action

This may be it. The new game, if it holds up to the hype that's already brewing for it. Seems to be part FC2, part DOOM, part Fuel and maybe a little RPG thrown in there. The trailer looks cool, and from the previews I've read it's semi-open world. Maybe not completely wide open like FC2, but enough that you can wander around, hopefully not too many invisible walls.

Seems you are a survivor of the big impact, and have just gotten out of your earthquake-damaged underground survival shelter. hmmm.... sounds familiar, Fallout maybe? Anyway, you wander around a desolate landscape looking to upgrade your vehicles and weapons. Take jobs from the local sheriff, and do races and battle mutants to earn cash.

Looks promising..........................
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on September 23, 2009, 07:56:35 AM
Ah, cool you came up with it.  :-X I' saw a report about it somewhere, two things I remember: something like mega-textures (like a whole canyon is one single texture, no repetitions) and that the game can't handle changing lights, that means no sunsets or the likes, just "weather is like that, stays that way". Looked cool though :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on September 23, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
That looks like exactly the game style that I like and I agree - appears much like FC2 to me.  any idea as to when this one will come out?  From the visuals, I'm more excited about this one than I have been with any game since FC2!  :-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: spaceboy on September 23, 2009, 10:17:34 AM
I read about this one too DB, it's definitely on the radar.  you're synopses sounds right on!
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on September 23, 2009, 10:39:15 AM
PZ, I heard 2010, probably late in the year... Boo-hoo  :'( But at least something to look forward to :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on September 23, 2009, 10:43:57 AM
Oh my gosh, I was afraid of that - will probably be out in 2011 due to delays.  In fact, because it looks like something I will really enjoy, it might even go the way of Warhound!  :'(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on September 23, 2009, 11:01:53 AM
I don't think so. It's ID - they were brilliant with doom, quake, quake2... always up for better graphics than the rest of the world. They got serious cash I believe  :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: deadman1 on September 23, 2009, 12:41:00 PM
This definately looks like a game I must check out especially since I have enjoyed all the other games ID has released. I remember almost wetting my pants the firts time I played DOOM 3  ;D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: retiredgord on September 23, 2009, 05:27:00 PM
Geez deadman I almost did a number 2 in mine. I thought the smell was from the games' rotting corpses..but it was only me.  lol
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on September 24, 2009, 05:59:15 AM
careful with that level of immersion, Gord  ;D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: fragger on September 24, 2009, 06:30:37 AM
 :) Dunno if the terms "number 2" and "level of immersion" should be in consecutive posts (ewww...)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on September 24, 2009, 08:22:34 AM
Yeah, DOOM³ had me trying to see around corners by looking at my monitor sideways, then feeling stupid.

The release date for Rage is set at Spring 2010, let's see if it hits that.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on September 24, 2009, 08:58:50 AM
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on September 24, 2009, 08:22:34 AMtrying to see around corners by looking at my monitor sideways

Different games though, but I did that too, lol  ;D ;D :-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on September 24, 2009, 10:42:53 AM
lol, I did that the last time I was in Wolfenstein - craned my neck to peer around a column!

It's funny how immersed we become at times  ;D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on September 24, 2009, 11:36:38 AM
I did it in quake2, HitMan, and I think in Assassin's Creed, apart from other games I don't remember now. Basically every time death waits around the corner :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: fragger on September 24, 2009, 05:48:45 PM
 ;D Sometimes in FC2 I actually duck my head when a sniper opens up on me!
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on December 02, 2009, 08:07:03 AM
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos link=topic=1039.msg :-X14510#msg14510 date=1253713051
http://www.rage-game.com/main.action

This may be it. The new game, if it holds up to the hype that's already brewing for it. Seems to be part FC2, part DOOM, part Fuel and maybe a little RPG thrown in there. The trailer looks cool, and from the previews I've read it's semi-open world. Maybe not completely wide open like FC2, but enough that you can wander around, hopefully not too many invisible walls.

Seems you are a survivor of the big impact, and have just gotten out of your earthquake-damaged underground survival shelter. hmmm.... sounds familiar, Fallout maybe? Anyway, you wander around a desolate landscape looking to upgrade your vehicles and weapons. Take jobs from the local sheriff, and do races and battle mutants to earn cash.

Looks promising..........................

As I was playing Fallout 3, I recalled this post, and had to revisit the trailer - the game looks great, and is quite reminiscent of FO3.  However, I just did a search on the game and still nothing about a release date - too bad, it looks like an FO3 with great graphics.  :-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: RedRaven on December 02, 2009, 08:11:53 AM
Quote from: fragger on September 24, 2009, 05:48:45 PM
;D Sometimes in FC2 I actually duck my head when a sniper opens up on me!
Lol, I do exactly the same, Lean from side to side whilst driving vehicles around too, specially the unimog. :-X

Looks like it could be a good game, still no release date yet though.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: deadman1 on April 20, 2011, 05:37:40 AM
Here´s five minutes of gameplay from Rage  >:D

http://www.fz.se/filmer/20110418/rage-dead-city-trailer-gameplay/ (http://www.fz.se/filmer/20110418/rage-dead-city-trailer-gameplay/)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on April 20, 2011, 11:24:25 AM
Thanks, deadman  :)

Bethesda.. they made FallOut and Rage looks as if they used the same tools to create it. And it reminded me of some of the SP missions of Bulletstorm. Driving that vehicle and something else I can't specify reminded me of parts of Borderlands. Hmmmm.. I am surprised that they didn't surprise me  ????
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on April 20, 2011, 12:23:54 PM
Looks pretty cool, but a bit more linear than I'd hoped, though you don't see much of the driving between where you get the mission and where it starts on foot, hopefully there's things you can do on the side there.

Nice ninja-star/boomerang thing you get, remind anyone else of an old movie called Krull? Thing called the Glaive (yes, I had to look that up).
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on April 20, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
I remember it but not in detail. Indeed, that shuriken-boomerang is interesting  :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: deadman1 on April 21, 2011, 04:36:53 AM
Quote from: Art Blade on April 20, 2011, 11:24:25 AM
Thanks, deadman  :)

Bethesda.. they made FallOut and Rage looks as if they used the same tools to create it. And it reminded me of some of the SP missions of Bulletstorm. Driving that vehicle and something else I can't specify reminded me of parts of Borderlands. Hmmmm.. I am surprised that they didn't surprise me  ????

It´s made by ID software, Bethesda are just the distributor for this game.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on April 21, 2011, 07:01:02 AM
That's what made me wonder, exactly. When I think about some of ID's old titles it surprises me that it looks much more like bethesda's FO than ID.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on September 14, 2011, 12:14:35 PM
Okay, I just made the decision: I'm gonna buy this game. I think I'll pre-order it at steam, or maybe I'll go for the retail version. Not sure about that yet. But I definitely wanna play this game :-D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on September 14, 2011, 12:20:07 PM
Some places if you preorder it, they will upgrade you to the Anarchy Edition for free mate, so check a few places first :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on September 14, 2011, 02:05:33 PM
I will, thanx for the tip ;)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 03, 2011, 04:36:03 AM
Well, word on the street is that its bloody good, I've been looking at some gameplay videos and it looks incredibly like Borderlands, I was expecting more "solid" life-like gfx, but they seem incredibly cartoony (but less so than Borderlands), the scenary and outposts are quite similar too, also the bad guy hangouts are quite similar.

The weapons do look cool and there is one like a three armed boomerang called a wingstick that is a nice addition. For shooting you also have "iron-sights", which is a nice addition for console players like me. The game comes on three discs fro the 360, so for PC you are probably looking at the guts of a 20 gig install, but the gfx load on your card will be light if it can play on a console, maybe there will be some sort of HD patch for the PC version. Its supposed to be better looking than Uncharted, but thats like comparing oranges and apples, with Rage being open world and Uncharted being a pretty enclosed game, so I wouldnt give much credence to it, up close textures seem a bit muddy, with mild pop up in open areas.

Game length apparently about 15 hours, not much for a 20 gig install :(

Rage: Daily Demo Gameplay Movie (PC, PS3, Xbox 360) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO8VHHAmhY0#ws)

Rage GamePlay Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEfZhmsV8sI#ws)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 03, 2011, 09:04:16 AM
I still like the looks of this one!  :-X

Set to be released tomorrow as I see on Amazon.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 03, 2011, 09:08:32 AM
I allready bought it on presale. Will get the retail version with the anarchy edition. Perfect  ^-^
I'm only a bit shocked that it only provides 15 hours of gameplay ????
How is that possible in an open world game, especially when it's designed by Bethesda?

I think it might have been a slightly too arrogant previewer who just 'thought' he'd complete the game in 15 hours (main storyline of course). Or else I'd be very disappointed.  :(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 03, 2011, 09:14:20 AM
Well, you know how some people are - they play through as fast as they can, not really savoring the experience.  :-()
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 03, 2011, 09:28:19 AM
Right. I just stick with the idea it will give me months of joy ^-^
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on October 03, 2011, 09:43:55 AM
 :)

I shall be really interested in what you're going to say about the game once you've got it, Binnatics. So far I would like to like it but it hasn't really convinced me. Too much of yet another Borderlands and FallOut and perhaps Metro2033 make-up and far too little innovation.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 03, 2011, 10:29:41 AM
Indeed - although I really don't like mutants, the general scenery appeals to me.  I kind of like the Fallout series, and the visuals in Rage appear to be far superior.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: spaceboy on October 03, 2011, 10:54:46 AM
I always thought this game looked good and would be good, but I am passing mainly because of too many other games are beating it to my wallet this fall.  Something had to give and it was Rage.  maybe down the road next year in a lull, if there is one, I will check it out.  Looking forward to hearing anyone's take on it though, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 03, 2011, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: Binnatics on October 03, 2011, 09:08:32 AM

How is that possible in an open world game, especially when it's designed by Bethesda?

I think it might have been a slightly too arrogant previewer who just 'thought' he'd complete the game in 15 hours (main storyline of course). Or else I'd be very disappointed.  :(

Well afaik its not designed by Bethesda mate, they are just the publishers, its made by ID, who made the DOOM series.

Quote from: PZ on October 03, 2011, 09:04:16 AM
I still like the looks of this one!  :-X

Set to be released tomorrow as I see on Amazon.

I have the Anarchy edition ordered, but its not released here until friday, which kinda sucks. But it does kinda w@&k out in a good way, there will be lots of reviews before buying, although I have paid for it already LOL, but if its not great, I can switch the money to Skyrim.

20 gigs of an install is a freaking serious investment on a console HD for only 15 hours, so hopefully that piece of information is incorrect.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on October 03, 2011, 10:59:31 AM
What I find a bit strange is that we're looking at ID's Rage. I mean, ID, the guys who basically invented 3D shooters with DOOM and some such. Now what.. they look like everyone else. That's the sad bit, from my point of view.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 03, 2011, 11:17:04 AM
Quote from: Fiach on October 03, 2011, 10:59:10 AM
...I have the Anarchy edition ordered...

Is there something special regarding the Anarchy edition?  I might want to wait if we get more bang for the buck.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 03, 2011, 12:01:33 PM
Well alot of places will upgrade pre orders to Anarchy for free.

Bethesda has announced a special version of Rage called the Anarchy Edition that will come with a whole slew of extras.

The Anarchy Edition will allow players to access two special weapons, the Double Barrel Shotgun and the Fists of RAGE. Additionally, players will have access to the Rat Rod Buggy, which will replace your standard in-game buggy, and the Crimson Elite Armor, giving you an extra defensive boost.

The best news of all is that by simply pre-ordering the game, you'll be upgraded to the Anarchy Edition for free. And keep in mind that whether you end up with the Anarchy Edition or not, you'll still have access to a new batch of downloadable missions called The Wasteland Sewers.


The sewers are (afaik) underground dungeons that are found randomly in the wasteland, but wont appear (or will be locked), if you only have the vanilla edition.

Hope that helps :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 03, 2011, 01:13:21 PM
Thanks, Fiach - I've often seen the special editions have more to do with MP than SP, but it looks like it is well worth the extra effort to obtain it in my instance.   ;)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 03, 2011, 01:45:45 PM
Absolutely agree there, Off the top of my head I can give two recent examples of "special" editions that really only were special to MP players, but had significant SP campaign, Bulletstorm had a special leash and access to Gears of War Beta, Crysis 2 had some MP stuff as well, which was odd as the only version I have ever seen is the "special" edition on sale.... so not so special really.

What can be really annoying is a game that has free DLC for the first week, to circumvent people buying second hand copies, I can see why they do it, but sometimes the DLC is quite significant in gameplay terms and that can be quite galling as if the game is designed around not letting people choose second hand copies or their game is gimped.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 03, 2011, 01:57:33 PM
You must be right Fiach, on the ID and Bethesda thing. I remember it came to speach earlier, because the game Rage did make think of Fallout 3. Therefore it got my attention. It seemed like a remake of Fallout, with some, indeed borderlands involved in it.

@ Art: It might indeed be a game without any new features, but as long as it's a world where I'd like to spend time in, it's good for me atm. I think nowadays it's quite hard to make truely new concepts in gaming. Things like Portal for example. Bulletstorm felt new to me as well, but I don't know if they got their inspiration from other games which I don't know.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 03, 2011, 02:23:22 PM
Has anyone seen a sniper rifle in the game?  That tends to be one of my more favorite kinds of weapons.  >:D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 03, 2011, 03:37:04 PM
Hmmmm, I bet there is one :-D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 03, 2011, 06:03:32 PM
Is this the game that D_B initially introduced some time ago in which there was a video that depicted a huge clown face as part of a building?  The initial video seems to be gone  :-\\
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 03, 2011, 11:33:13 PM
Just a heads up on Rage reviews, apparently the console versions are the best bet at the moment, with mostly positive reviews (9/10 4.5/5) apparently there are a lot of bugs in the PC version currently.

On a positive note, it will ship with a level editor on PC :

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/05/05/rage-to-ship-with-full-level-editor-id-studio/ (http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/05/05/rage-to-ship-with-full-level-editor-id-studio/)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 04, 2011, 12:32:06 AM
Oh no, bugs :-(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 04, 2011, 02:29:13 AM
Here is a review I like, apart from a high score 4.5/5, which is nice, its actually a very informative review as it covers lore, mini games and weapons (yes there is a sniper rifle :)).

http://wegotthiscovered.com/video-game-review/rage-review/ (http://wegotthiscovered.com/video-game-review/rage-review/)


With regard to its HD size, the 360 comes on two discs (the third disc is for MP only), so that pretty normal, lots of games do, You can install the first disc, complete that and uninstall it, then install the second disc and continue the rest of the game.


The PS3 disc has a pretty huge capacity (50gig?), so afaik the game comes on one disc, but this article says it has a 8gig download. I dont use my PS3 much, so I dont know if this means that you will have a mandatory install of 8gigs from the disc, or if it will be optional, I seem to remember that the PS3 version of Mortal Kombat had a mandatory install of 4 gigs, that increased as you played through the game.

http://wegotthiscovered.com/news/rage-3-discs-xbox360-8gb-download-ps3/ (http://wegotthiscovered.com/news/rage-3-discs-xbox360-8gb-download-ps3/)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 04, 2011, 09:58:10 AM
I'm glad I got a new console - that game wouldn't fit on my old unit even if I deleted every game I had.  ????
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 04, 2011, 10:41:25 AM
Quote from: PZ on October 04, 2011, 09:58:10 AM
I'm glad I got a new console - that game wouldn't fit on my old unit even if I deleted every game I had.  ????

My 360 only had a 20 gig HD when I got it, I was lucky when Zaavi (retail chain) went out of business I got 2 120 gig drives for 60€ total, unfortunately they wont fit on the new black 360's, but still, they should keep me going for quite awhile :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 04, 2011, 11:55:32 AM
spaceboy had a method of replacing my old 40gb drive with a 500 gb unit for about $50.  I'm going to look up his instrux one of these days and get that done (if I can keep the old console working - might be the laser).  Tough to find time though, I've not even set up the new console and I purchased it last weekend.  In fact I only have time to check OWG periodically throughout the day - just too darned busy.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 04, 2011, 12:33:10 PM
Quote from: PZ on October 04, 2011, 11:55:32 AM
In fact I only have time to check OWG periodically throughout the day - just too darned busy.

At least you have your priorities right :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on October 04, 2011, 12:39:16 PM
lol, Fiach  ^+-+

Re: Rage. I'll have to wait some, for various reasons.  :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 04, 2011, 01:01:19 PM
The more I see of this game, the less enthused I become. It looked more like a gritty survival game bace then, now it looks more cartoony and arcade style. The driving looked cool, until the buggy flipped itself back over .... ???? what is this, Twisted Metal?
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 04, 2011, 01:57:01 PM
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on October 04, 2011, 01:01:19 PM
The more I see of this game, the less enthused I become. It looked more like a gritty survival game bace then, now it looks more cartoony and arcade style. The driving looked cool, until the buggy flipped itself back over .... ???? what is this, Twisted Metal?

LOL I loved Twisted Metal on PS2!  ;)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 05, 2011, 11:20:17 AM
I have a $5 credit & a 10% off coupon for anything at Best Buy, so I might pick it up this weekend anyway. Even though I still haven't finished (read: barely started) both Duke Nukem and Crysis 2, what's another game taking up hard drive space?
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 05, 2011, 12:02:24 PM
 ^+-+

well, GTA + DLC's, since the game will install itself twice. They made the DLC's available as stand alone games, but the downside to that is that when you want both, that's twice the entire game on your harddisk :D

Edit:
By the way, I just got word that my special edition is waiting for me at the store ^-^
I also read an article about the incredible load of bugs that's afflicting the PC version :o :-\\
Check thisone:

Rage Texture Popping (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1k_Dv46bBw#)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 05, 2011, 01:13:04 PM
I'd call that seriously slow rendering  ????

Like D_B, I think I'll get it soon - for the console though.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 05, 2011, 01:34:00 PM
Yeah on the consoles the pop up is "slight", but still there too.

Its the way things are going in the games world though, console games heavily outsell their PC counterparts, so the devs are going to look after that market first. I've seen a lot of forum posts from PC gamers that feel betrayed by ID, because of that devs original PC roots and its FPS history with DOOM etc.

But I can only speak for Ireland and when you go into any game shop here, the PC games section is only a fraction of any of the console sections on their own. Some dont even carry PC games (apart from maybe the Sims or a WoW expansion), other than that it's wall to wall consoles, games and accessories.

When a console is only the fraction of the price of a graphics card, let alone a full PC, you can play in front of a HUGE tv and with the advent of "couch co-op", cheap n cheerful is always going to lead the market.

I'm kinda kicking myself, buying a PC that will "run Crysis", yet the only recent game I have run on it is Dead Island, which is not a particularly beautiful game, I feel like it was a waste of money.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 05, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
Same story here Fiach - go into any electronics store that sells games and you find many aisles of console games - you have to look hard to find the few shelves of PC games in my local stores.  Mostly I'll go online to find PC titles that I can't get locally.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 05, 2011, 01:58:26 PM
Quote from: PZ on October 05, 2011, 01:37:47 PM
Same story here Fiach - go into any electronics store that sells games and you find many aisles of console games - you have to look hard to find the few shelves of PC games in my local stores.  Mostly I'll go online to find PC titles that I can't get locally.

Actually thats a good point mate, online and digi downloads would cause the retail shop space to shrink I guess :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 05, 2011, 02:11:28 PM
Here's the same. All console what the clock ticks. And yes I feel like a fool spending a truckload of money to a rig that keeps suffering every now and then from bugs, crashes, lagging and so on. I need to spend more time to get things working than I want to, íf I can figure out what's causing the next lag, crash, disappointing graphics or whatever more could go wrong.
And I do all of this for what? Mouse aiming? tinker around with shiny metal heatpipes? Having my private 'gamer location' at my desk?

Earlier on I allways said to myself, I will never buy a computer dedicated in gaming only because then I'd spend too much time gaming. Is that still true? I spend all the time that I want to, sometimes really to much.
It pretty much feels like fooling myself.

Anyway, there's a small, tiny light at the far end of this dark tunnel of PC gaming; I've read an article lately that proclaims that PC games are gaining popuparity and that in 2014 PC games will be sold more worldwide then console versions. I don't know how they came up with these numbers, but it might be true.
The consoles are getting behind in the never ending power contest, and they will soon have to develope a PS4 or Xbox 720 or something. Maybe PC will be slightly ahead just before they launch their new systems :-D

Edit:
Just found the solution to why GTA IV wouldn't start after my clean windows install: It needed some "security updates for Microsoft visual C++ 2005 and 2010.
Oh, I'm so happy it finally works again ^-^
Maybe that's why I stick to my PC. Because everytime a bug is fixed I give myself a slap on the shoulder saying "well done, old chap, you fixed it again!" To be honest, I didn't fix anything, Windows update did. All I had to do was being patient :-D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 05, 2011, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: Binnatics on October 05, 2011, 02:11:28 PM
... I've read an article lately that proclaims that PC games are gaining popuparity and that in 2014 PC games will be sold more worldwide then console versions...

Lies promoted by Microsoft  :-()
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 05, 2011, 04:12:08 PM
 ^+-+
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 05, 2011, 05:09:46 PM
Quote from: PZ on October 05, 2011, 04:00:26 PM
Quote from: Binnatics on October 05, 2011, 02:11:28 PM
... I've read an article lately that proclaims that PC games are gaining popuparity and that in 2014 PC games will be sold more worldwide then console versions...

Lies promoted by Microsoft  :-()

Seeing as the world is going to end in 2012, that was a safe bet, I call shenanigans :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 05, 2011, 05:14:12 PM
 ^+-+ :-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 06, 2011, 12:46:16 AM
 ^+-+
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 02:38:17 AM
Got it this morning!

OK, well I have only played the intro mission, so its early yet, but just a few observations.

The Pop-up can be a bit disconcerting, but you do get used to it rather quickly. The graphics are pretty amazing, imagine Borderlands crisp clarity, with more realistic colours.

The enemies are similar to the enemies in borderlands, but christ they are agile fuckers! They dont run at you in a straight line, they will tumble, strafe, jump at weird angles to bounce off walls etc. There were times when they rushed at me, I felt I was playing more a survival horror game than a straight shooter.

The gun you get at the start, looks like a flare gun but fires bullets (its in the video), is a pain the the a$$, the fire rate is VERY slow and it can be a bit of a shock vs the mutants speed initially.

5 bullets to the head....wtf??? Dont assume your enemies are dead unless you see a death animation.

You map things to your D PAD like bandages/grenades etc. Select what you want and use the Left Bumper to use/throw.

When you die, a screen will appear, on it a line with a bright diamond on each side. The diamonds will rush towards each other and meet in the middle, you have to press "A" when they intersect, if you do it correctly you will revive and nearby enemies will be electrocuted.....tbh its easy but, you kind of think why they bothered, its not fun like eg "second wind" in Borderlands, where you feel like you are achieving something with your dying breath, but its like complaining about camels spitting, its what they do, so just get on with it I guess.

I only rode the atv and its handling is OK, the wheels dont rotate much when you drive, it looks really odd.

A very immersive world, excellent musical score both orchestral and moody slide guitar ala Borderlands.

I reckon you guys will like this game, I'm sure there will be alot of mods for this game too.

Fiach : Playing games early, so you guys can sleep a little longer.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 06, 2011, 02:43:27 AM
AAarrrgghh

I bought the freekin'game this morning, but I got to activate it through Steam; and Steam says: Can't install the game because the game has not yet been released!!!!!!?? ??? :'(

Edit:
To be honest,
Spoiler
the guy in the shop asked me to not tell anyone about my purchase because they'd recieved an official briefing that it ís not allowed to sell the game until tomorrow 8-X
I won't tell anyone but he sold it to me because he allready sent me an e-mail before that message was recieved by them. I was about to silently enjoy the game without anyone knowing, but too sad Steam tricked me :'(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 04:50:20 AM
Bummer mate sorry to hear that, I have a mate in Gamestop and while I didnt ask him for the game, he knew I had it pre-ordered, so he said made more sense to give it to me now, while I was in the shop, to save me having to go there again tomorrow.

I dont buy from Steam, since once I asked for a refund for E.Y.E. They said the dont give refunds on any product sold, except for pre orders and even then only in exceptional circumstances.

Personally I think thats a load of shite, as they had no demo for that bug ridden pile of manure, So nobody realised how bad it was. The product was not "fit for service" and thats a reasonable cause for return in Ireland. If I could have bought that game in Gamestop, they would have given me a refund if I returned it.

I have bought two other games from Steam, Amnesia Dark Decent (was about 2€) and Two Worlds 2 which I alread owned for 360, but it was only about 14€ in a summer madness sale, which is incredibly cheap as the game was about 35€ here at the time and I wanted it on PC for mods, which wouldnt be able to get on 360.

Other than that I wouldnt touch Steam with a barge pole. The only consolation I can give you is that its good and worth waiting for :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 06, 2011, 08:28:57 AM
Thanx Fiach, I will be patient. I don't have that bad experience with steam thank god. Anyway, I couldn't prevent the game from connecting to steam. It was automated in the install. Actually, I'm curious if the game will install it from the original disks, or will still get the 20Gb from Steam through internet, lol.

The game is printed on 3 disks, would be quite a waste of space if it would download the whole content anyway.  :-()
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 09:39:56 AM
Ah, I misread your post mate, I thought you bought it off Steam, you bought it in a shop and need to activate the game, yeah I remember they did that with Half Life 2, it was a major annoyance, so I bought the 360 version.

Well I have played about 2 hours now, christ it takes alot of shots to kill enemies (or I suck alot), but I swear I had the sights on their heads and even when the hits registered, it still took a few bullets to kill an enemy. I was at a stage in a mission, where I had more grenades than bullets lol! :)

Anyway, talk to a girl just outside Dans office and you will get 5 wingsticks (boomerangs), they are bloody expensive to buy at this stage for me, sometimes they return, sometimes not, but they are quite devastating.

Where possible, melee opponents (click right thumbstick), a few hits will kill them, I found it the best way to get bullets.

Pick up anything that aint nailed down, I havent a clue what half the stuff is for, but it may be handy later. Make sure you scour each room, there are also playing cards you can find/collect for a mini game that is supposed to be very good.

You will see doors with what look like golden cogs on them, you will get the blueprints later on to make a device to open them, so far I have just about had enough components to make them when I needed them, the rooms contain decent loot.

I got the buggy after a mission, but I notice that if you drive into the garage, it will tell you how much damage and how much repair costs are, which is annoying, I dont want to have to repair it. You can add weapons to it as your progress, I gather.

The Pop up can be quite annoying in a building, I'm kinda disappointed with that, I thought it would just be with large vistas, but no, in rooms it is the same if you turn quickly.

So far, I would still prefer Borderlands, but its early yet after only 2 hours.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 06, 2011, 10:21:09 AM
Sounds like a struggle so far Fiach... :-\\
Hope it will get better. I read the book in my shiny retail version, and there they talk about different ammo types and upgrades. The weapon with which you begin, the small 'settlers pistol' is only strong enough to last for a 'vey small piece' of the game. You should get other stuff soon. But didn't you get the sawn off double barrel??
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 10:50:01 AM
I have the pistol you mention a double barrel and a combat shotgun also a sniper rifle mate :)

Its not that the game is a struggle, its just surprising that, for a shooter, there is so little ammo to pick up (like an enemy will drop two bullets lol :)) and it takes five shots to kill an enemy, especially when two or three punches will kill them. It doesnt seem to matter if you shoot them in the head or the torso and some (what ahould be) hits go un-noticed by enemies.

Yes, you get different types of ammo, eg buckshot for the shotgun would be an alternative, you also get different AR ammo and pistol ammo too.

Its a good game, but some things annoy me, For example, I dont see a reason to charge for repairs to a vehicle, this will prevent me using it as a method of transport in what is an open world game, but I still have the ATV to ride around in .... its just annoying.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 06, 2011, 11:08:08 AM
Quote from: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 02:38:17 AM
Fiach : Playing games early, so you guys can sleep a little longer.

^+-+
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 06, 2011, 11:54:07 AM
hmmm, I see Fiach. That sounds annoying indeed. When I was reading that huge review, the last thing I thought of was a lack of ammo. Everything seemed 'easy shoot 'm up style'. I hope things change. Did you start with the hardest diff. setting? Allthough, I don't think that will matter much. I've read that the diff. settings change the killing power of the enemies and their behaviour in racing. And the ammount of health you can have. Nothing mentioned about ammo quantities.
Can't wait to test a bit for myself ^-^
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 11:54:59 AM
Well, I have been to the second town and got my Crimson Armour, it basically contains all the bonuses of the other armours in one suit.... but it doesnt tell you how those bonuses w%&k.

Vehicle combat is similar to Borderlands, but the guns auto target, taking alot of the pain out of the borderland combat. You can buy things like auto bombs, you drop a little remote buggy loaded with explosives, looks kinda like the mini car in Duke Nukem and it auto targets the nearest vehicle and detonates :)

The repair costs are quite minimal and you get a few vehicles in the second town.

Theres a race track in the second town, where you can compete in different events to get upgrades for your cars etc.

Its a pretty good game, with some nice weapons so far, Shottie, Pistol, Sniper, Crossbow, Boomerang (you can get a schematic to build your own boomerangs), our business is death, pal, and business is good :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 11:56:15 AM
Normal mate, I'm not a big shooter fan tbh, but maybe ammo will pick up later, havent had to buy any yet :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 06, 2011, 01:26:56 PM
3 more hours of waiting, and then I can finally install the game ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 01:41:59 PM
LOL! :)

I'm enjoying it mate, hope you enjoy it too :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 06, 2011, 02:39:21 PM
Holy moly, Steam is Pre-loading the game  :o
20Gb of info I've allready covered on 3 DVD's ^+-+
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 04:56:28 PM
Does that mean the game will install twice on your PC?  :o
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 05:39:24 PM
OK I hit a problem.

If you go to a TV station to get a sponsor, bring a ton of shotgun ammo as its really an arena where you have to survive waves of mutants.

My problem is apparently some sort of glitch, gonna return the game tomorrow for a new copy, see if its that, anyway, at the TV station, you eventually get to a kind of one armed bandit, where you have to stop the wheels turning, by hitting a target. You cannot save in there, so I have to keep starting the arena from the beginning  :D.

Damn game keeps locking up on me here and I cant progress.

The game is starting to wear a bit thin with me now, I'm about 4 hours in and its like drive to a corridor, shoot stuff, drive back to town, get a quest, drive to a corridor, shoot stuff, there was a sniper mission on the job board was a bit different, but otherwise its a corridor shooter disguised as an open world game, so far.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: JRD on October 06, 2011, 05:57:09 PM
Quote from: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 05:39:24 PM
(...) its a corridor shooter disguised as an open world game, so far.

Geez... it sounds nasty  ???

So no mission in the open? None at all? It's weird that they created such a nice world but failed to come up with a story that actually benefits from all that  ????  :D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 06:25:41 PM
Well there were two outdoor missions so far with sniper rifles.

One was stand on a ledge and protect two workers a they were attacked by mutants. The other was to approach a gate and snipe the people on the top wall.

The corridors are even recycled, eg. you get sent to a mutant hideout to get something, then another mission is to go to the same place, but go in the backdoor and repeat the map in reverse.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 06, 2011, 06:42:33 PM
Cool about the sniper rifles  :-X

Are you given the sniper rifle like is often seen in linear game style, or do you choose your weapons, more open world style (like FC2)?
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 07:10:53 PM
Quote from: PZ on October 06, 2011, 06:42:33 PM
Cool about the sniper rifles  :-X

Are you given the sniper rifle like is often seen in linear game style, or do you choose your weapons, more open world style (like FC2)?

Not quite sure what you mean mate, you have an inventory and can carry multiple weapons, ammo, items for crafting etc. You assign weapons to a diamond, so when you press the right bumper, 4 assigned weapons will appear on screen, you select which to use with the right stick, when you do, a diamond with the different ammos pertaining to that weapon appears onscreen and you select which ammo to use, its very fluid.

I have currently assigned a crossbow, Shottie, Sniper and Pistol. Also, you can assign the boomerang to the left bumper, so you always can have 5 weapons assigned at a time I guess.

Some missions you dont have to travel to, when you accept the mission, there is a loading screen and eg. with the sniper mission, you appear on the ledge, you cannot save during these missions.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 06, 2011, 09:55:32 PM
Clear enough now - thanks.

What I meant is that sometimes in more linear games you are provided with a weapon rather than choose your own.  An example would be Brothers in Arms: Hells Highway.  While quite linear, the theme is WWII, which I am particularly fond of.  However, as you progress through the game, you start a mission with a weapon in your hand chosen by the programmers rather than a weapon of your own choosing.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 06, 2011, 11:55:11 PM
Ah, I get you now :)

I'll tell you somethng disappointing (yeah another thing lol :)), you cannot pick up an enemy's weapon, when they die the weapon fades away beside them, thats why I have no assault rifle. I could buy one, but the weapons I have so far were all quest items, on saying that I have (I think) only about 60 AR bullets, so it wouldnt be much use anyway.

Its a feature I didnt like in Dead Island either, another FPS "shooter", with bugger all bullets.

I still havent found any RPG elements apart from the "quests" (which are more errands than quests), In Borderlands each character had 3 skill trees making for variety in subsequent playthroughs, even if you chose the same character, I cant see any merit in replaying Rage so far and while I have only played about 4 hours, its still 25% of the game and I have found it pretty lacklustre.

Sorry if I'm coming across like a whingin' jenny, I am enjoying the game, but not to the extent that I was hoping for. I would have loved more RPG elements..... ummm...... and bullets :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2011, 12:17:55 AM
Well, finally I'm allowed to play ^-^
Got some codes delivered in my box who unlock the DLC stuff (Sewers and Anarchy pack) and now Steam is 'decripting files', so still got to wait.

To answer your question Fiach: No, I don't have to install the game twice, it's just installing the 'steam way'. After introducing the accesskey through steam, I couldn't start installing with my DVD's, because, steam said, it wasn't released yet.
When I was on my Steam account later on, I checked my games-library and there I found Rage, with the possibility to "pre-load" the game. I thought, well, if my DVD's don't help me out, I'll try this. And thus I've installed the game through Steam downloadservice ^-^
The shiny DVD's can all stay in the box ^-^

I read an article of someone complaining about the many ppl complaining about the game, saying that ID pushed its linear corridor shooting games to another level by giving more freedom to the player. Not to create an entirely open post-appocaliptic world. The guy stated that the adverticement had focused too much on the open-world character of the game. Anyway, Finally I can check it out for myself. What I'm hoping for is a bulletstorm kind of game, with more freedom of choice. And I'm definitely looking forward to the racing part. That should be like Fuel 'with extras' :)

Ah, finally Steam is done 'decripting the files' so I can start.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 12:23:36 AM
Ah, yes, I get you now :)

Some MMO's let you d/l new content so you will have it ready for launch day, but you cannot access it until then :)

Fuel? I dont think so mate, that was truely open world with different environments and IIR weather and day/night cycles. There are sone ramps to jump on and if you hit the floating object, you will get items for crafting, some jumps have destroyed my vehicle leaving me on foot and having to reload a previous save, so save before the jump as you can save anywhere :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2011, 12:47:59 AM
Deep sigh,

First impressions: Super crappy graphics. It's just like the movie I've uploaded earlier in this topic. Super slow rendering. The game isn't moving fluid either, and there's no vertical sinchronization. Which makes moving not really pleasant. Poping up any menu, will cause weird artifacts of the world shown underneath the menu. (menu pops over world, world flickers through. Weird. Crap. Damn, I'll have to go search for solutions to these prblems before I can really star the game. :(

That's a thick, fat minus >:((
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 01:11:03 AM
Sorry to hear that mate, hopefully the PC version will get some sort of HD patch soon.

You know, ID as a company are famous for the gfx, I remember Doom 3 when it was released, how incredible the gfx were, but surely they must find this game a total embarassment to its heritage. I could imagine the game being so graphically intense, that some PC's would struggle to run it, but that is definately not the case here.

RDR is a similar environment, both the towns and landscape, that was released a year or so ago, Rage, created by probably the most iconic gfx company, isn't fit to lick its boots. ID are hoping to unseat the Unreal engine as the Developers choice with this game as its tech demo, I hope they have a decent pension plan lined up.  >:D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2011, 01:29:27 AM
Quote from: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 01:11:03 AM
I hope they have a decent pension plan lined up.  >:D

^+-+ :-X

I think you're right Fiach, Graphically this game is far from a revolution, not even near a top gfx game imho. Anyway, there seems to be a driverpatch for AMD, so gonna try that. Who knows the game will at least be enjoyable then :-\\
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 02:15:15 AM
TBH mate its a good enough game, I just believed the hype and was really looking forward to a Fallout/Borderlands kinda thing, but we just have to suck it up.

Currently waiting for my new install to finish and try it again from the start, I uninstalled and deleted my old save just incase it was corrupt. (ouch  :D), so you are actually ahead of me now  :-D.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 02:25:17 AM
Well I just started it up and there was a patch available and it certainly improved the pop up when you step out of the ark, like improved it immensely! :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2011, 04:25:02 AM
I hope there will be a patch available soon for PC too. I'm not playing it again unless it improves. It's UN F***ING PLAYABLE on PC, period!

The AMD driver I downloaded for the game, a special release to cure this game's graphic performance, didn't change a thing for me.
The screen is full of constant flickering artifacts, the textures take time to load with every movement and the menues are even causing more artifacts. The screen is a constant restless movement which makes me go crazy. After trying to ignore all this for like half an hour, I made it up to the location where I had to fix a radio tower or something, in order to get a shotgun, the game crashed.
Well, as Windows would say: "Rage has stopped working properly" :D :D :D
If they call that first 30 minute experience "working properly"  :D again and  :D :D :D

I'll upload some of the shiny graphics I could admire so far.
First some examples of the texture problems:
Spoiler

[smg id=3736 width=500]
First view: you don't even see your hud (!)

[smg id=3737 width=500]
Buildings without textures

[smg id=3733 width=500]
Buildings with starting textures (hud disappeared ?)

[smg id=3734 width=500]
Buildings with complete textures (hud half reappeared)

[smg id=3731 width=500]
Landscape first view

[smg id=3732 width=500]
Landscape after first view

[smg id=3738 width=500]
Landscape complete

Some examples of the great graphics:
Spoiler

[smg id=3727 width=500]
Check out it's left arm; weird position huh ;)
(it's going right thrue the body to end up somewhere between the legs)

[smg id=3728 width=500]
Beautiful paintings...

[smg id=3729 width=500]
Check out the detail

This is what the artifacts do to the menu:
Spoiler

[smg id=3725 width=400]
Normal menu appearance

[smg id=3726 width=400]
Weird menu appearance

As you can see, this MUST change. These are only static examples, but when playing the artifacts and texture changes make the screen such a nervous experience that it's, like I said, unplayable.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: deadman1 on October 07, 2011, 04:27:22 AM
OK so were´s my copy?!! *stares at mailbox*  >:(( I preordered the game so I would have it today and so far no luck  :-(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2011, 04:30:38 AM
Nevermind Deadman,

The game needs fix first. The way it appears now, on PC, is to  :'(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 05:04:59 AM
I looked at those pics mate and they are fugly! My previous install was not that bad, so there is something definately wrong there!  :-\\

Well I have played again up as far as getting the buggy and it is going well, the gfx are actually VERY impressive now, I cant believe how much more crisp they are and virtually no pop up and none indoors this time around.

I have been meleeing the crap out of everything, but this time I'm using the fists that came with the DLC, I just saw a hand icon, last time and never realised that it was a weapon lol :), I have fired about 6 bullets since I started, I have about 500 pistol rounds accumulated at this early stage lol :)
Fists of Rage ftw :)

Hope you get sorted out soon mate :(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2011, 07:27:10 AM
Well, found some solutions on the issues. On the rage-bethesda forums they advice to put some special commands to the .exe file in steam. I di that, and so far the V-sync issue is gone. Textures do still pop up but less; that's because now Rage knows that they can use the 2 gb of mem on my gfx card :P
The game tends to remember earlier uploaded textures now, at least for when you stay in the same area. So better, but pretty far from the way it should be.
Then the flickering actifacts: They remain. Don't know how to adjust that; on that forum they don't say anything about it. Only that it might have been caused by a 'bad driver that AMD released for the game'. I did not get that driver, I got the good one. So I'm wondering how this will ever be fixed.
The game crashed on me again, but this time after 1 hour of play. So things are slightly better, but pretty far from acceptable.

I started a hard playhtrough. Can't make it past groups of soldiers without bullets. They shoot you to death if you come closer. But anyway, so far I haven't run out of them. Allthough it was time to buy some. Had plenty of money, but sinc eI had a gamecrash, couldn't go on :(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 07:53:32 AM
Its small comfort, but at least you are getting to see how the gamplay is. Any word of a patch for PC?

I was surprised there was a patch today for 360 as it usually takes ages to get a patch past the Microsoft testers.... a good thing I suppose, but if it takes that long to get a patch though, then it means they knew these issues existed a good while ago... not very inspiring :(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2011, 08:41:53 AM
No patch for pc. I've been searching around for fixes and such, but I refuse to force my gfx driver to act in an abnormal way just to get this game running. And if I compare the textures available, once they're shown adequately, to other games, the gfx of this game is a laugh.
I highly regret having the game pre-ordered. Now I'm stuck with it. I would have never bought it if I knew it was so damn laggy.  >:((

Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 09:19:46 AM
Well they want to market this engine for other devs, so hopefully that will be the spur to make them fix it sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 07, 2011, 11:21:01 AM
Sorry to hear of all the issues.  I wonder how it will look/operate on console  ????
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 11:34:17 AM
I'm playing it on the 360 mate, it got patched this morning, game runs perfect and looks great. Its like a totally different game to my experience pre-patch :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 07, 2011, 11:36:06 AM
Nice - Binnatics experience was starting to scare me off the game  :-()
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 12:31:34 PM
I can understand, I was getting really ticked off last night, but all is rosy now (well for me anyway :()
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2011, 12:56:28 PM
Spoke to Deadman over Steam and he said it runs fine with his Nvidia card. For me, it's stil crap.

And to be honest: The game doesn't really attract me either. Maybe it's because of the shiddy graphics and bugs, but the gameplay is not what I'd hoped for. The racing is simple; no mouse view, just steer, boost and brake sometimes. The boosting will put your car pretty far away from you, what makes the speed experience worse. Doesn't feel like a real racing game. The missions, the shooting/slamming, it's not what I'd expected. When I compare this to my bulletstorm experience, this is childplay. The enemies act dumb; usually they attack you (wait for you) with 3. If you kill 2, the last one runs of. They do hide if you try to shoot them, but if you wait, they come one by one and check if they can shoot you. A simple knock down is easy then. They say stupid things. You can't perform headshots :o, only with the sniper rifle. Well, I've tried to see if it makes any difference at all if you hit someone in the head or in the corpse, can't see any. Except for that the first shot to the head will bust off his helmet.
I don't know what all these reviewers have been drinking but their great stories are all bull to me..

Somehow, the game seems quite like Red Faction Guerrilla, only that game was a lot better imo. Better graphics, smoother gameplay, headshots, a world that's more open...
Sorry guys, I'm really negative here. I'm just feeling totally busted by this game. I allready got 2 BSoD's due to playing it, while I'd put all that effort in my machine to get rid of these crashes. :'(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2011, 01:53:26 PM
hmmm, there seems to be one consolation for me; Bethesda offers a free game to all who bought Rage as a retail version. You can choose either to get "hunted" for free, or "Brink".

Pleace, advice needed. Which one is better?
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: JRD on October 07, 2011, 03:39:30 PM
I'm really sorry, Binn... it seems like a very bad experience  :-\\

Rage seems like a game I'd buy one day after having finished the games i'm playing and finding it for a lower price but now... no headshots? wtf  ???? ? Are they dumb or what? Poor AI is also a mood breaker to me, an insult to my gaming inteligence. Poor mission design too, so in the end it only looks good but actually stinks when you get closer.  :D

As for the games, I'd go for Brink but since I don't know the other title it could be an option too... I suggest youtube videos of gameplay and a few reviews in one or two gaming sites like IGN or Gamespot... of course, any OWG member that comes up with a suggestion beats it all  ;)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 07, 2011, 04:20:15 PM
 ^-^ I read a review by Fiach on Hunted. He seems to like the game on PC. But it's a role playing game. When I hear all the fun Art has had with Brink, I think that's the game I'll choose.

For now, I've been having fun with the races. They should be challenging in nightmare difficulty, but they aren't. Nightmare isn't what it used to be; remember back in the days, playing Doom on nightmare? That was something.
This nightmare is more like a tough challenge, nothing to worry about. Like Fiach mentioned allready; With the fists you can almost get all of the enemies down. Only when they have good weapons and are further away, you need your guns.
Weird actually, for a shooter. Poor ammo and lots of fisting through.
The races can be entertaining though. You gain upgrades for your wasteland cruiser so that benefits. And I don't have that much frustration on artifacts or texture popups. When you race you kind of don't pay attention to it. The crashes are still annoying though. Went back into one of these hideouts for some shooting, and the game crashed right away :-(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 05:35:16 PM
Where is this offer Binn, I may use it to take a peek at Brink.... but my version is 360, so I dont know if I will be eligable.

I havent played Brink, but iirc Art loved it, its more of an online experience as opposed to solo I think I remember him saying, but he liked the solo AI.

Brink got quite bad reviews here, currently its selling for about ten quid second hand and I still wouldnt buy it as I'm not a shooter fan really.

Hunted isnt much of an RPG, its really a third person shooter, the characters are cool with nice banter, the side mission puzzles add a nice diversion, its not great looking and the game is quite linear, truth be told, I probably will end up preferring it to Rage, but Rage is improving alot for me since yesterday, so that may change.

I'm in a place called Dead City (in Rage), they have super mutants the size of houses lol :) On saying that they are slow and easy (but time consuming with fists) to defeat. The area is very like Fallout 3, with a nice change in the gfx style, compared to the desert, still havent got an assault rifle, I have about 500 bullets at this stage for it.

I tried one of the sewer missions, lotta mutants there and some loot for crafting, but nothing great, they look kinda crap (like sewers shoud I guess LOL :)).

Another annoying thing, you kill these mutants (probably the main enemy in the game so far) an d they just disappear in a wisp of smoke, no loot (and the game has no XP), so its kind of annoying to have to kill so many with no reward.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 08, 2011, 12:09:07 AM
Here is a good video, shows alot of the weapons and ammo types.

Look at the bottom left of the screen, you will periodically see a little diamond, this is where he is selecting ammo types for his weapon. At 5.55 he selects an interesting one I havent seen, Mind Control bolts for the crossbow, looking forward to that :)

RAGE - Jackal Canyon Official Gameplay Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSNtIeLxcMg#ws)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: deadman1 on October 08, 2011, 02:11:53 AM
Quote from: Fiach on October 07, 2011, 05:35:16 PM

I'm in a place called Dead City (in Rage), they have super mutants the size of houses lol :) On saying that they are slow and easy (but time consuming with fists) to defeat. The area is very like Fallout 3, with a nice change in the gfx style, compared to the desert, still havent got an assault rifle, I have about 500 bullets at this stage for it.

I tried one of the sewer missions, lotta mutants there and some loot for crafting, but nothing great, they look kinda crap (like sewers shoud I guess LOL :)).

Another annoying thing, you kill these mutants (probably the main enemy in the game so far) an d they just disappear in a wisp of smoke, no loot (and the game has no XP), so its kind of annoying to have to kill so many with no reward.

I just finished that part last night :), the assault rifle aren´t as good as you might expect. The normal ammo are kind of underpowered and you need a lot of it to take down a mutant, but for the enemies with armor there´s an enhanced ammo that´s quite good if somewhat expensive. So far the best weapon for me has been the shotgun and the wingstick. If you buy the binocular part ("the good part") that some vendors have, it´ll give you a binocular and when used together with the pistol it becomes a sniperscope of sorts. Quite handy sometimes , escpecially if you use "fatboy " ammo in your pistol >:D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 08, 2011, 04:24:06 AM
Thanks for that mate, do you need to apply that scope to the pistol or is it automatic, whenever you use iron Sights.... btw do you ever get a different pistol?

I finished the Dead City, it was good and bad, there was a locked door and I had no grinder and I dont think I can go back now (that was the bad bit),  It was just before you get the rocket launcher.

I wished there were more enemies that actually dropped loot, not just mutants.

I got cards for the slimer mutant, dunno his name, big bugger that fired globs of snot at you, and I got one near the guy you kill with the launcher, but the guy at the very start, when you come out of the sewer initially, I couldnt find any card around there, do you recall if there was one?

Whew.... and finally LOL :), whats your impression of the game so far? :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 08, 2011, 05:21:25 AM
OK I''m annoyed at this Dead City thing, if you are playing this game read a guide before you go to Dead City the first time as you can miss stuff.

Apparently you need some sort of RC bomb to get a certain card, but you dont get the schematic until you do a side quest from what I can gather, I cba going back and doing it again, but its just another freakin annoyance in this game.  :D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: JRD on October 08, 2011, 06:43:06 AM
Wow... graphics looks great in that video, Fiach and action packed too.  ???  :-X

Of course that is a promotional video so they wouldn't show any bugger but still, it makes anyone consider buying this game!

Hope you guys get those gfx issues sorted soon and the gameplay improves too.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on October 08, 2011, 06:44:59 AM
wow. All in all, I know I won't buy Rage. So, thanks for all those warnings and infos :)


And Brink was a team game that worked offline as well because the AI was so brilliant. Lots of options to change your character (abilities, outfits and weapons) which alone is worth god knows how many hours of fun. SP was interesting because you played the same story on two sides, defenders and attackers. Unfortunately there are only few maps for MP.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 08, 2011, 09:29:56 AM
I've made up my mind, I will take Brink indeed. And sorry Fiach, but it's a Dutch action. You could try it though, if you had a Dutch correspondation adress :-D The action coupon is easily optained on a website.

I really hope that Bethesda, or "eye-dee" makes a good pc patch, because I guess I can have fun with this game. At least for a while.

About the graphics: I can honestly not believe that this engine, well, the way it's shown in this game, is about to win any award for any graphics performance. Everything looks nice from a distance, but when you come close, it's all cheap tricks and not much details. They say that the graphics of this game are so diverse; every sort of building (factory, hospital, etc) has its own materials and all in huge variations.
Well, that may be, but form up close it looks like all the same rubbish to me. If ppl complain about the graphics in FO3, then this is worse. For example the plants: There aren't many, and those which I've seen are all 2 dimensional, turning objects. And if you take a closer look, it's hard to even recognize a plant, since the detail is so bad. I'll post a few pics on the plants I've discovered so far.

Another thing that annoys me, graphically speaking: is the windows. In any bandit stronghold, you'll find windows that will lighten up the room in an incredible beautifull way: you know these falling bundles of light, cutting through a dusty enfironment, giving you the feeling of being close to the beautifull weather outside.... Well, if you take a close look to these windows, they're just lightboxes. Nothing 'outside' or 'sunshine' there, it's just a wall dressed like a sunny window :-\\
The effect for the fast moving gamer might still be beautifull, but for the one wondering around a bit, curious, it's a bummer.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 08, 2011, 04:20:15 PM
Had a better experience today then yesterday. I could play on for like 2:30 h. before the first crash. Had fun killing mutants at Bash TV. Stand-up action ;)
This game made me like the buckshot ammo for the regular shotgun pretty much. Instant kill if you shoot from close, which is just the way to take out these mutants.  >:D
All these artifact- and popup s#!t is still there, but I Try to ignore it. The game is entertaining then. I hope they fix the issues soon, then it can be a nice game.

As promised some Rage flora material:
Spoiler

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Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 08, 2011, 05:31:04 PM
Quote from: Binnatics on October 08, 2011, 04:20:15 PM

As promised some Rage flora material:

Dunno if you got the quest yet, but a guy in the bar will give you a quest called Miracle Cure, the swamp is just past the Mutant TV place. These items give you a permanent HP increase, so keep an eye out for them in your travels.

I did a pretty good mission for the Sheriff, to go to the Shrouded *something* (forget the name) and deal with the remote controlled cars problem. Just a heads up as you cant go back after the mission, Go there while its empty (exit wellsprings and turn right, its on your right hand side, you will be attacked by a RC Car outside it. Go inside, you will come to a large room, there is a railed raised area, on the far side is a card to collect.

During the mission bring a lock grinder as there is an assault rifle there, its scoped and prety cool. :)

That place opens up into a pretty large area when you get the mission I used 500 pistol rounds LOL :) BTW the Monocular is awesome on the pistol! :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 08, 2011, 08:21:05 PM
Nice video Fiach  :-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 09, 2011, 01:20:06 AM
Cheers mate :)

CARD LOCATIONS

Here is a list of locations of cards, there are some VERY missable, so its worth checking out I think :

http://gamenac.com/rage/collectible-playing-cards (http://gamenac.com/rage/collectible-playing-cards)

A Video to show where the cards are in order of appearence in quests/travels :

Rage: Gotta Have 'Em All Achievement - All Cards! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EjGIMKBp4c#ws)

SEWER LOCATIONS

A list of the Sewer Locations (DLC available to buyers of the first release of the game)

http://game.downloadatoz.com/tutorial,28091,how-to-find-all-wasteland-sewers-locations-in-rage.html (http://game.downloadatoz.com/tutorial,28091,how-to-find-all-wasteland-sewers-locations-in-rage.html)

WOLFENSTEIN ROOM

Early in the game one of the first hideouts

Rage - Wolfenstein 3D Easter Egg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR9tqHDXo8A#ws)

QUAKE ROOM

In the Car Parts mission hideout, need to press 3 buttons, then go up the stairs with the mattress blocking the way.

Rage - Quake Easter Egg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1yLUh8JW4c#ws)



Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 09, 2011, 01:52:30 AM
FALLOUT 3 EASTER EGG:

On the desk of the mayor, the right side corner near you, is a bobblehead figure. It's worth 150 dollars ;)

Btw: Thanx Fiach for the guide on these cards. I didn't know they were missable but good that you sorted that out. Seems there are only 2 missions to worry about missables. "The Well", and "Authority Prison".

Right now I'm heading to this Dead City. Hope It won't be so disappointing for me as your experience :-\\
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 09, 2011, 01:58:26 AM
Yes, there is a quake one in Dans car but you cant pick it up unfortunately, lots of nice surprises though, like the guy with the DOOM T Shirt, Crazy Joe :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on October 09, 2011, 07:35:56 AM
The enemies remind me of the suicide bombers of Serious Sam.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 09, 2011, 07:48:29 AM
Quote from: Art Blade on October 09, 2011, 07:35:56 AM
The enemies remind me of the suicide bombers of Serious Sam.

You would be surprised at how similar they are to the enemies in Borderlands, I'm surprised that there are no copyright cases between ID and Gearbox, I'm not saying which came first, but its like they were both sitting exams and spent alot of time peeking at each others papers :)

Bobbleheads/Anarchist Symbol/enemy types/music/graphics/buggy racing and combat/the desert plus frontier town ambience...

While playing Rage, I often get the urge to replay Borderlands (not instead of Rage, but after I finish).
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on October 09, 2011, 08:09:51 AM
Borderlands was fun and unique. Releasing Rage now  is not making it appear unique any more. BL was faster, apparently. To me it looks as if iD kind of went like, "hey guys, sorry we're late, but here's our version of all those great games you already played."
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 09, 2011, 07:10:00 PM
Well, I picked it up at Best Buy this afternoon and with my coupons and discounts, it came in under $50 so that wasn't bad, but still more than I would have liked. Closer to $30 would have been nice.

Anyway, installed it on Steam and it took almost an hour just to copy from the DVDs, glad I didn't try to install it online, that would eat up 4 MONTHS of my download alotment. It's still downloading ~400MB+ of updates or something though, so I won't have time to play it tonight.....

But I did get a message from Steam saying my video card drivers are not up to date enough to play the game. Funny, when I go to the nvidia website to check for drivers, they say I am up to date. Then I see the little link for beta drivers and the most recent ones do mention something about Rage compatibilty. Also found this link:

http://www.geforce.com/News/articles/how-to-unlock-rages-high-resolution-textures-with-a-few-simple-tweaks (http://www.geforce.com/News/articles/how-to-unlock-rages-high-resolution-textures-with-a-few-simple-tweaks)

That might explain some things about why people are having graphics issues. You may want to try those manual settings and see if that helps. They don't mention SLI cards though, since I have two 1GB cards, does that count to get me over the 1.5GB memory barrier to play the game on super high resolution? Hope so.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 10, 2011, 12:54:58 AM
I just read some of that and thank christ I use a 360, it looks great and I get to keep my granny :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 10, 2011, 08:05:14 AM
Just a heads up, I added a video to my post on page 18, it shows all the card locations, crikey I missed a bunch of fairly obvious ones.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 10, 2011, 09:08:15 AM
Well, D_B, don't worry about these tweaks. What you're downloading right now is probably the first patch they launched. There you can set the quantity of GPU mem to be used. Well, you can choose between high or low usage of such.
You should be glad you have NVidia in this case; at least you won't have these artifacts, which is VERY annoying.
For me, that is still not fixed; they say AMD should do that >:((

I'm still busy with my first playthrough, and I think it will be my last as well. When I finish it, I'll check some of the MP and then make a final game rating of Rage. The game won't get much points from me. I predict below 6 average ^-^
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 10, 2011, 11:07:10 AM
I've been playing now for about 8/9 hours and I'm still on the first disc, I just rescued a guy from prison, so I dunno where they got the idea that the game is only 12 hours long. Its enjoyable enough, but not in the same league as Fallout for depth, or Borderlands for shooting.

I have an ATI card Binnatics, I always had Nvidia previously and I have never had a problem with them, but this fecking ATI card is a pile of shite, their support is bloody useless and I would never buy another one of them, lots of people on forums have the same complaints, so I wouldnt blame Rage for an ATI cards deficiencies.

I have tried Rage (PC version) and it played without artifacts but the pop up was annoying but not game breaking. I also had some problems with sound (eg. feet not sounding while running) I played at 1024X768, try that resolution see how it goes (my screen is CRT).
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 10, 2011, 12:20:35 PM
My next gfx card will definitely be an Nvidia. I've had far too many problems with ATI cards. I'm sort of done with it.
I saw that Deadman allready completed an entire playthrough in 14 hours. I'm at 19 hours now, and will go for that rescue you just did. But I had the lagging, and restart, which took me time. I play at nightmare settings which makes it go slow sometimes.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 10, 2011, 12:49:07 PM
WOW 19 hours and still on disc one! cool!  :-X

Looking forward to Deadmans opnions on the game. :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 10, 2011, 02:40:43 PM
I'm in trouble with the authority now ;)
Freed the captain, and retrieved my Ark-ID. I went into the hideout where the bandits make their RC robot cars, to get some sort of extra power prototype for my friend back in the settlement. But when I got in another BSoD shook me up. Let's try again :D >:D \:/
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 10, 2011, 03:19:15 PM
Well, finally some possitive news: Fiach, did you try the custom made "pop rockets" allready? Damn, I like these bullets/shelves.
They are the extreme type of shotgun ammo, and will turn your shotgun into a grenadelauncher. Well, sort of. The result is that you shoot an enemy and he'll explode into a pool of blood. Should be very effective against mutants, gonna try that now in Dead city. They are quite effective against bandits (even the highly armored ones) but they'll completely destroy any remains of the bandit, including anything lootable.
I also began to like the fatboys. Very nice bullets against Authority soldiers. Headshots do become important there, because you have to shoot their helmets off. Well, that makes them far better killable. After shooting their helmets, (one fatboy needed) another fatboy in the head, sometimes 2, is enough to finish them. With normal bullets you'll need almost a mag to shoot the helmet off  :-\\ but these fatboys make it a good fight >:D

Other things that keep annoying me: All the characters (not even one excluded) take themselves too seriously. I'd rather have seen some more humor there. And the few girls who seem to look good, will only hang against walls telling you some few words every now and then. They don't participate in the gameplay :-\\
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 10, 2011, 05:54:08 PM
Well I tend to use the pistol mostly, I have over 1000 rounds of mg ammo, I only started using the Fat Boys in the second visit to Dead City, it was just too time consuming using normal bullets.

After 10.5 hours, I have moved to Disc 2, about an hour of that was dicking around looking for cards, I like the game, but only like it, I'm wondering was that 10.5 hours (plus 3.5 that I had to replay) a waste of time, its only now that a storyline is beginning to emerge. The game has no character/charm, the characters are flat and lifeless (RDR had great characters for example), all it has are graphics, it really is a tech demo.

There are no RPG elments as far as I can see, the quests are just plain stupid. The inventory is just annoying to look at. The only thing I craft is the odd grinder for doors, I pick up tons of stuff I have absolutely no idea what its for or will I need it for something later. I have a few grand in money, the only thing to spend it on would be bullets, due to the ridiculous amount of bullets it takes to kill an enemy.

I hope to god there is some payoff at the end, I'm not a great FPS fan, so probably a bad judge, but I have playd tons of much better FPS games, I wont even bother talking about the RPG aspect.

I saw an advert on TV tonight for it, and a review quote flashed across the screen : DESTRUCTOID : UTTERLY BLOODY FANTASTIC! The Destructoid site only gave the game 7/10, so they definately took the word "FANTASTIC" out of context and mis-represented the review, None of those words appear in the review.

http://www.destructoid.com/review-rage-212834.phtml (http://www.destructoid.com/review-rage-212834.phtml)

Check the Advert at 0.25 :

Rage - UK TV Advert Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ys18qlRMk4#ws)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 10, 2011, 07:15:41 PM
Thanks for reporting guys - the more you play (and report your experiences), the more I realize I should not get the game until it becomes a bargain shelf item.  It doesn't sound like the kind of game I would like at this time.  ;)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 11, 2011, 12:25:28 AM
Yeah mate its very bland, the gfx are awesome, but the rest is shooting and racing that arent particularly great. You wake up in an Ark, get brought to a town, do  a series of totally random quests, then 10 hours later, meet another Ark survivor and go to another town and do a bunch of random quests.

Most dungeons/hideouts are quite banal, the bigger "better" ones are great while you play them, great atmosphere and very creepy, with blood dripping off walls, alien growths on walls, kinda like something in the game Prey, quite scary looking, but its just scenary, it does nothing. But after you get out, you are trying to remember if there was any standout moment, but to no avail.

Some dungeons are re-used in the normal direction, some are the same place, but you go in from what was your last exit and w%&k backwards. I knew they were taking the piss when they sent me back to Dead City and it was the same as the first visit, just in reverse and upon its completion I got an Achievement called  ytiC daeD  :D

It takes ages to kill some enemies for no real reason, just to make you change your bullets. Head Shots and Torso shots for the most part, do the same damage, so accuracy isnt very important .... in a shooting game ffs. :'( On top of that, there is no reward for combat, You kill mutants, you get nothing, their bodies disappear ... maybe I just dreamed I killed them. Other enemies take a more ammo to kill, than you loot off their bodies and tough armoured enemies that take 3X more bullets to kill give the same amount of loot, as the easier ones, You cant take their weapons and you dont even get XP, so it just makes it a pointless excercise to me.
There are a couple of "boss" battles, but the bosses drop nothing, you just get to go through a gate or door and carry on through the dungeon.

You could argue that the thrill of combat is its own reward, but there is no thrill to it, you just hose them with bullets, turtle up when they use grenades, then pop up and hose them again. Even with the pistol, I just hold the trigger when they are in my sights and dont let go until they go into cover mode, I like pistols and consider them a sort of precision weapon, here they are just a gun with a smaller magazine than the MG as head shots are pointless, I try to play most shooters with a pistol where possible, I feel a certain sense of achievement when I do it successfully, but here it was just meh.

The racing, well, I dont play racing games (Forza and TDU is all), so I cant comment, they (to me) were neither good or bad, I think it was ill-judged that for a shooting game, you have to race to progress the story.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 11, 2011, 09:28:57 AM
That does it for me - from your last description I know I would be disappointed in the game.  I don't particularly like "bosses", aliens, mutants, unpredictable weapon mechanics, etc - basically everything you wrote about except the graphics.

As I was playing FC2 last night I recalled this thread and still marveled at what I saw - FC2 has everything that I like in a game, mostly the realistic landscape, weapons, people, etc.

Thanks for posting your detailed observations, Fiach  :-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 11, 2011, 10:19:40 AM
Quote from: PZ on October 11, 2011, 09:28:57 AM
As I was playing FC2 last night I recalled this thread and still marveled at what I saw - FC2 has everything that I like in a game, mostly the realistic landscape, weapons, people, etc.

That is exactly what's running through my mind all the time when I think of the numerous disappointments this game has to offer when it comes to graphics. Everything is fake!!!
And you're right Fiach; It does nothing!!

I totally agree on what you say about the challenges / missions in the game. Repetitive waste of bullets, and proceeding to higher 'levels' the only diffenrence is the "extra waste of bullets". You get the same dumb acting enemies, saying the same dumb things, moving the same, with slightly different helmets, and the same quantities. The only difference: The consume much more lead.
I had to unload an entire mag of pistol rounds just to shoot the helmet off a guy. What made that last bullet so special that suddenly the helmet popped off ????

Oh, something else that heavily annoys me: When you're in cover shooting them bastards (cover is necessary on nightmare because of the deadly impact of their bullets which appear the same bullets I'm using, lol) I recognized that very often my bullet gets blocked by a wall that should not be there. I mean, you have to calculate an extra few cm of space from any edge of an object or cover, just to prevent your bullet getting stopped by the "air around the object". Now ain't that incredible for a shooter :o :o :o

The RPG part of the game is pure fiction, same for the 'open world- so called -exploration'. There's no such thing as "free exploration". I thought jumping on top of things in FC2 was problematic; well, don't try to jump on something in Rage; you won't even be able to jump on a chair. Nothing is accessable but the main path.

Quote from: Fiach on October 11, 2011, 12:25:28 AM
Some dungeons are re-used in the normal direction, some are the same place, but you go in from what was your last exit and w%&k backwards. I knew they were taking the piss when they sent me back to Dead City and it was the same as the first visit, just in reverse and upon its completion I got an Achievement called  ytiC daeD  :D

That achievement was a bummer indeed Fiach, damn I was so incredibly disappointed by the fact that I had to w@&k my way through that city completely in reverse :o How did they 'dare' to give me an achievement like that. I think that's Steam (or Sony) adding the humor the game does not have :-\\
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 11, 2011, 10:33:56 AM
Too bad really... was looking forward to purchasing the game this afternoon.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 11, 2011, 11:11:39 AM
Glad we could warn you not to ;)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 11, 2011, 11:25:25 AM
Yes Binatics, so many times I have headshot a guy only for the hit not to register and that wasnt necessarily near the edge of cover, I'm talking full in the face!  >:(

I just did two Gearhead Hideouts and they were pretty good fights, just the same annoying mechanics, they had these mini boss guys, heavy armour with flamethowers, took about 6 pop rockets to kill them, one of them dropped 2 dollars in loot, hardly paid for one rocket lol :)

Game is just a bunch of pretty mazes strung together, with no particularly compelling reason to visit them. Even the two towns are a pita to navigate, some times I have a brain fart and totally forget what I'm looking for in all the identikit buildings.  :D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 11, 2011, 02:07:06 PM
Quote from: Fiach on October 11, 2011, 11:25:25 AM
Game is just a bunch of pretty mazes strung together, with no particularly compelling reason to visit them. Even the two towns are a pita to navigate, some times I have a brain fart and totally forget what I'm looking for in all the identikit buildings.  :D

Have that too. Walking round like 3, 4 times before I find which shop I'm looking for. The subway town feels unpleasant. A safe haven should feel comfortable, but it feels like just another mutant cave.

By the way, the whole fighting with mutants thing reminds me of Doom 3. I remember playing that game I think until half way. Then I put it aside because of the repetitive "moving through the dark, knowing some sort of deamon will pop up any second, and still gettting shocked when he finally shows" :o.
I got to give credits to id though for being able to shock you over and over again. Here they seem to try the same with these mutants, but it only works sometimes.
I've discovered the old "oh s#!t, the door I just went through closed" trick allready more then once. "Now the deamons will come in...brrrrrrrrrrr ??? ???"
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: fragger on October 11, 2011, 03:45:57 PM
Judging by those last few posts it sounds as though all the same old ID stocks-in-trade have been trotted out yet again in Rage. I got sick of Doom 3 for the same reasons Binn mentioned, like the door closing prior to being set upon by a bunch of monsters trick, and critters popping up behind me from out of wall cavities that had opened up after I'd walked past them. It got to the point where every time a monster appeared in front of me, I'd turn and sure enough there'd be another one behind who wasn't there before. I got sick to death of getting clobbered from in front and behind all the freaking time. These done-to-death traps set in a repetitive maze of dark corridors were just cheap and nasty methods of making the game seem "exciting". In the event, it was just plain exasperating.

I get the feeling that Rage would be the name of the game alright if I picked it up >:(( I thought the days of the repetitive corridor shooter in a glorified maze with painted-on graphics were over.

ID must be short for IDentical...

But thanks for the extensive reporting on it, Fiach and Binn :-X Sounds to me like the game's cons outweigh its pros, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 11, 2011, 04:16:27 PM
Quote from: fragger on October 11, 2011, 03:45:57 PM
ID must be short for IDentical...
...or IDiots to ASSume that open world game aficionados will like a game like that simply because they put in a small open world element.  I would really dislike the kind of game that fragger wrote about.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 13, 2011, 08:45:20 AM
Well, I've put a few hours into the game and well, all I can say is  ehh, it's OK. Not horrible, not great, but OK. It just seems to be, as mentioned before, a tech demo for what the engine can('t) do. Let's toss in some mini games, sure, and some vehicle stuff, yeah, just because we can.

As far as graphics go, I guess my dual nvidia 460's aren't up to it. Can't set vsync to either on or smart, just goes back to off. Nice, now I get serious tearing artifacts whenever I swing the view around any. Can set graphics to high or whatever it is, but doesn't seem to make a difference, the textures aren't all that much better, and the config file tweak I posted about earlier doens't do anything anymore, at least that I can tell. Most of the textures just seem to be blurry and not very detailed, and wrapped around the object from the wrong direction. I can see the seems in the texture file all over the place. Crysis2 looks way better.

As for the game, well, yeah, I can see how it's going to w@&k out, get mission, drive across map, do mission, drive back across map to report mission done. Yawn. Nice that there's all that great looking ruined city outside, with all those nice abandoned and broken highways that would be a lot of fun to drive along and explore, but you can't because you're stuck in the canyon below it all.

Not to mention the usual gripe of "Why the hell can this guy carry a huge aresenal of weapons and can't jump high enough to clear the curb on the side of the road?" Hmmm... maybe because he's carrying a huge arsenal of weapons is exactly the reason.

If I had to give it a number, maybe 6 out of 10, unless something improves later in the game.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 13, 2011, 08:50:22 AM
The game is ...ok, but the biggest kick in the teeth is the ending mate  >:(
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 13, 2011, 10:53:12 AM
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on October 13, 2011, 08:45:20 AM
As for the game, well, yeah, I can see how it's going to w@&k out, get mission, drive across map, do mission, drive back across map to report mission done. Yawn. Nice that there's all that great looking ruined city outside, with all those nice abandoned and broken highways that would be a lot of fun to drive along and explore, but you can't because you're stuck in the canyon below it all.

Not to mention the usual gripe of "Why the hell can this guy carry a huge aresenal of weapons and can't jump high enough to clear the curb on the side of the road?" Hmmm... maybe because he's carrying a huge arsenal of weapons is exactly the reason.

If I had to give it a number, maybe 6 out of 10, unless something improves later in the game.

lol, sounds kind of like FC2, especially the part about jumping high enough to clear a curb  ^+-+
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 13, 2011, 02:03:39 PM
Well folks, my 'so far rating' would be below 6 average allready. And I still have the ending left to experience ;)

I do hope you have fun with it D_B, but I'm affraid you will lower your ratings as well as you advance in the game.
I'm about to go for the final fight now. Somehow I missed the ATV part, and some recipes as well as some cards. Just too tired of it all to go searching I guess :angel:
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: JRD on October 13, 2011, 06:15:23 PM
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on October 13, 2011, 08:45:20 AM
As for the game, well, yeah, I can see how it's going to w%&k out, get mission, drive across map, do mission, drive back across map to report mission done. Yawn.

Borderlands is pretty much like that... but is fun like hell!  >:D

I guess this is about how the game is thought, developed and then presented to players... Borderlands isn't thaaaaat original story wise but the way you get hooked by the bazillion weapons plus the acid humor in the game is what makes it so special. A successful, well managed project. Rage sounds like just another game rushed out to cash in player's dollars (euros, quids etc) as fast as possible.

It is as if devs of Blands had a great time doing something they like whereas devs of Rage had to w@&k doing something they don't like, don't know how to do and under pressure!  :angry-new:
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 14, 2011, 09:09:49 AM
I was looking at the gamer RSS feeds on the front page and found this link to a Rage review.  In it, you can read almost exactly Binn's bad experience on the PC.  There is also mention made of a particular driver download that supposedly helps with the texture problems - probably the one Binn already has.  You can check it out here (http://pc.ign.com/articles/119/1197974p1.html).
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 14, 2011, 09:49:10 AM
I'm kind of confused here; I've downloaded that particular driver from day one and the game still looks like crap to me. I have the same AMD card running, a HD5870 like in that video, and the visuals in that vid are 10 times better than on my system. I've read somewhere that the game uses quite a lot of CPU power to calculate these textures, but my Phenom II X4 3.2Ghz shouldn't be the problem either. right? Maybe I should try to re-install that driver to fix issues here.  :-\\
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 14, 2011, 10:02:26 AM
I don't know - maybe, but I have seen instances where a particular piece of software will run just fine on one rig and do poorly on another - even though the equipment appears to be the same.  It is quite likely there is a difference in the Windows configuration, or some other kind of software-based interference.  ????
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 14, 2011, 10:59:13 AM
I think you must be right PZ, I checked. Uninstalled my entire gfxdriverpack and installed the one pointed out there. Result: Rage won't even launch ::)

Found ouyt something else: Steam can now update your video driver for any AMD graphics hardware. I tried that, and Steam immediately started downloading a new driver, 149 mb of content. Lol, very curious what this will lead to.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 14, 2011, 11:14:45 AM
Interesting - looking forward to how it turns out  ????
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 14, 2011, 11:24:56 AM
Well, the updating process worked out fine and is quite nice the way Steam provides such a support. I like that. The driver is good, that's for sure. Rage launched again ;)

The result of the driver on the graphics is zero. Still artifacts and texture popups. No improvements. Nevermind. I'll switch to Red Faction Armageddon now ;)
I'm pretty excited about that game. Must be good! But just in case; wish me luck :angel:
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 20, 2011, 09:44:01 AM
Well, now I'm in a rage about Rage, lol. Driving with the keyboard got old fast, so I thought I'd install my Gravis Eliminator Aftershock gamepad and use that for driving and switch to mouse/keyboard for on foot stuff like I did for Driver3. Got the gamepad installed, calibrated, tested in other games, go to Rage and enable gamepad, go to the config screen and there's an Xbox controller staring at me. Does not bode well.....  Don't see any way to customize gamepad controls, you just gotta take a choice from the 5 or 6 setups they have preloaded. OK, so I pick the first one and load my game. Get in a car and ..... Nothing. No response from the gamepad, but I can still use mouse/keyboard. Try a few more things and I give up, I guess Rage is only compatible with Xbox controllers? Sheesh. Another stupid oversight by Id, or more likely they were bought out by Microsoft to only support their controllers, or they were too lazy after writing the game for the Xbox and porting it to the PC to bother adding non-Xbox controller support.

Upon googling, I found this [How To] Make Your PC Gamepad Controller Emulate the Xbox 360 Controller (No BS Tutorial) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqt9z0oBWiI#ws) which is apparently a way to make any gamepad emulate an Xbox controller, so time to try that.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 20, 2011, 09:46:22 AM
Nice find... hope it works  :-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 20, 2011, 09:52:28 AM
I have a 360 game pad for my PC, best peripheral I ever bought, I would blame ID, they took a massive dump on PC users heads.

I used to use a thing called XPADDER for games with no gamepad support, made the gamepad assume assigned PC key strokes, maybe worth trying if you still have problems mate :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 20, 2011, 01:34:42 PM
Will I ever stop complaining about Rage? Your story about the controls for driving made me remember something else I considered bad about the racing in the game: When you use your turbo boost (nitro-charge or whatever) your speed increases very nice, but once your nitro has depleated, your cars switches to normal speed superfast, as if you were using your break. That's not how it's supposed to. I could go explain this technically, but I guess most drivers agree that an engine won't 'break' after some boost-help, right? ::)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 20, 2011, 05:56:01 PM
I hear you on the rocket boost, it's like as soon as it's over you revert to normal speed.

I used the Xbox emulator and it works well, except that it doesn't yet support the type of d-pad the Gravis has, so I can't use that to switch alt weapons, bummer. Speaking of the alt weapons, you can tell they designed this to use a gamepad. On the keyboard, you have to hit F1-F4 to select the alt weapon, then hit another key to use it. Why not dispense with the second key and just assign the F1-F4 keys as a direct use key? Well, on the controller, you use the d-pad to select then the upper trigger to use, since there aren't enough buttons on a normal controller to assign them directly.

Once I got the hang of driving with the controller, it was a bit better, though I'm still clumsy with it, but the steering is smoother now anyway. I tend to hit either the gas and brake at the same time or gas and reverse together, or get too busy driving and forget to fire the weapon. Usually, my strategy is to just drive at them fast while firing, then ram them. Found the hover drone is my new best friend. Really like those. Hate those remote bomb cars though, glad I can build some of my own now.

And for more griping, I got done wiping out some bandit cars in that bowl shaped set of freeways to the north and got the two hovering doohickys that you jump into for extra points, and then decided to get on foot and look into that cool ravine. Got out, walked over, and thought, "Wow, that's a long way down, better be careful where I stepppppp..........." and fall into it, dying immediately. Since I hadn't saved after that battle and getting the two drones, I had to go through it all again...... Just figures, the guy can't hop high enough to clear a small rock where it doesn't matter, but on the edge of a killer ravine, can hop over a 5 foot rock. Go figure.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 20, 2011, 07:22:49 PM
LOL.... just one small step for a man, but a giant leap....into the unknown for ID :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 21, 2011, 07:58:51 AM
Quote from: Fiach on October 20, 2011, 07:22:49 PM
LOL.... just one small step for a man, but a giant leap....into the unknown for ID :)

:-X :laugh: :cheesy:

Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on October 20, 2011, 05:56:01 PM
I hear you on the rocket boost, it's like as soon as it's over you revert to normal speed.

I widh I could say it that simple :-[ That's indeed just what I ment D_B
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 21, 2011, 08:13:44 AM
Finally justice >:D

Check the article:
click (http://kotaku.com/5851953/doom-4-indefinitely-postponed-following-rages-disappointing-launch)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 21, 2011, 12:26:55 PM
The saying, "You reap what you sow" comes to mind :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 25, 2011, 11:00:53 AM
Got my gamepad working with the help of another utility called joytokey that can map any joystick/gamepad/mouse movement to any keyboard key. The trick is finding which settings to use. Since my gamepad has a digital d-pad, on/off only, not analog, the xbox emulator doesn't support it. So I used joytokey to map my controller's d-pad controls to the F1-F4 keys and now I can switch alt weapons while driving. Makes it a lot easier.

Now I just need to get the minecraft monkey off my back long enough to play Rage again. Might take some side missions now that I'm set up with decent weapons and vehicles.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on October 25, 2011, 11:11:52 AM
I like your thinking and the resulting w@&k-around. :)

However, not exactly a glorious chapter for the devs having customers customise their game with such an effort and third-party utilities.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 25, 2011, 12:04:44 PM
Yeah, having to resort to joytokey in this day & age? I haven't used it since BF1942 when I needed it to emulate my pov hat on the joystick for the mouse movements. I also found out there's some config files buried deep in the Rage folder that lets you change the gamepad config if you want to wade around in a text based config file trying to figure out what "pad1=move6" might mean. Or something like that.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on October 25, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
I hear some people even mapped FC2..



:-()
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 25, 2011, 03:55:16 PM
Quote from: Art Blade on October 25, 2011, 03:03:13 PM
I hear some people even mapped FC2..
:-()

No way.....  ????
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 26, 2011, 01:07:22 PM
... way


I was surprised when I opened the Rage box to see the instruction manual actually had maps of some of the areas in the game. Not that you really need them. But then again, it WAS made for consoles first, I guess those guys need the extra help....  <ducks>
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 26, 2011, 01:10:28 PM
 :laugh: :-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 26, 2011, 01:21:54 PM
I didnt use them, but the ingame layouts did suck, the maps looked a bit crap, dunno how useful they were.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on October 26, 2011, 02:01:09 PM
lol D_B  :laugh:
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on October 26, 2011, 02:18:38 PM
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on October 26, 2011, 01:07:22 PM
I guess those guys need the extra help....  <ducks>

:-() :-() :-X ^-^
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 26, 2011, 05:28:34 PM
So...erm.... why were you reading the manual anyway?  :angel: >:D 8-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: PZ on October 26, 2011, 05:32:31 PM
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on October 28, 2011, 12:37:44 PM
Quote from: Fiach on October 26, 2011, 05:28:34 PM
So...erm.... why were you reading the manual anyway?  :angel: >:D 8-X

Had to find my stupid activation key, and I did glance at the maps and thought, well, if I get lost I know how to get out, then there's an in game mini-map, so.......
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Fiach on October 28, 2011, 12:42:28 PM
A likely story  :angel: 8-X >:D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on October 28, 2011, 01:17:50 PM
 ^-^
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on November 02, 2011, 08:23:24 AM
Ran the "post office" missions or whatever they are last night. A bit disappointed. I thought they were going to be more like the predecessor missions in FC2 where you can run two missions at the same time. I thought I'd pick up a postal run to an area where I'm going to go anyway for the main mission and kill two birds with one stone.

I guess not.

Turns out they are just checkpoint races. Bummer. I think they could have done a little more with that aspect of the game. I ran them all in ten minutes or so. Had to run the last one three times just because I didn't know where I was going and didn't use the turbo boost enough. Guess I'll play some card games next, see how that goes. Want to get enough money for more armor and some of those turret bots.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on November 02, 2011, 08:49:43 AM
<chuckle> reading that makes me think of someone really, really bored who for whatever reason is bound to play that game.  :laugh: I hope that there will be at least a few episodes that make you have some fun with it.  :)
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on November 02, 2011, 02:41:29 PM
I've had that same feeling with these post office missions. I've checked numerous times if there popped up more of them, but no :-\\
Yet another bummer :-(

Glad I left the game behind ^-^
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on November 02, 2011, 03:06:09 PM
hehehe :-D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on November 03, 2011, 01:29:56 PM
I wasn't so much bored, just expecting more I guess. The really missed the boat on some of the things they could have done with this game.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on November 03, 2011, 01:33:47 PM
sounds just like the perfect candidate for modding.  :-D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on November 04, 2011, 02:13:24 PM
Don't want to know what more horror would come uncovered when you start modding the game... nah, not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: fragger on November 04, 2011, 03:12:48 PM
 :-D
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on November 04, 2011, 04:07:59 PM
^ :-()
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Binnatics on November 18, 2011, 09:01:19 AM
I'm glad Rage finally brought me something good: Sending my coupon to Bethesda Benelux got me a free Brink game, WITH psychopack download-code :-() :-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: Art Blade on November 18, 2011, 12:25:43 PM
nice.  :) :-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: fragger on November 18, 2011, 12:35:37 PM
At least you got something out of it ;) :-X
Title: Re: Rage
Post by: eor123 on November 29, 2011, 12:39:07 PM
I enjoyed Rage. It worked well on the Xbox.  :-()