When hearing "Liberation Radio", before and after each propaganda message, you hear a little bit of drums and singing, followed by a sing-song voice saying something that's probably a political slogan in an African dialect. I'd dearly like to know what it is he says - any clues, anyone?
I can't seem to find anything about it on the net.
changed the subject a little (adding "Afrikaans/Cape Dutch") /Art
If there is a place where the answer will pop up, this place is OWG :-X
... heck, a member even decoded a morse code message once!!! ;)
Quote from: JRD on January 29, 2010, 04:51:28 AM
If there is a place where the answer will pop up, this place is OWG :-X
... heck, a member even decoded a morse code message once!!! ;)
Indeed - we have had relatively regular visitors from South Africa - maybe one of them will see this post and do a translation.
That would be pretty cool! :-X
I remember a guy at the old farcry2world... he was from Africa and actually translated some merc swearing in africaner... actually it is the same as you hear in english, but sounds pretty cool in that game! ;)
I too wish we had some of the Afrikaans (Cape Dutch) merc lines translated to English :)
Actually, I changed the topic's subject a little, so it might attract the right people... ;)
The only thing I understand when one of the mercs is shrieking at me in Afrikaans is the word "Demon!" ;)
Some of the Dutch (and Afrikaans) is not frar from German, but in general, it's not really understandable for me. So I do catch the meaning of some of the lines (especially those mercs who ran out of ammo and hastily reload their shotguns) -- basically he's complaining that it happened just in the middle of the fight (something along the lines of "Great, now this is the perfect time to run dry, does it really have to happen right now") but some lines only contain single words that seem to be understandable, yet I can't really get the meaning of the whole line.
Quote from: mandru on January 29, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
The only thing I understand when one of the mercs is shrieking at me in Afrikaans is the word "Demon!" ;)
I don't even understand that - all I get is the loose rattle of an AK ;D
Quote from: PZ on January 29, 2010, 11:01:35 AM
Quote from: mandru on January 29, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
The only thing I understand when one of the mercs is shrieking at me in Afrikaans is the word "Demon!" ;)
I don't even understand that - all I get is the loose rattle of an AK ;D
It sounds like the word demon is a cognate, that is it's pronounced in both languages and the only reason i could catch it.
Who knows? Maybe the word I'm hearing means something else completely different and you right PZ, it does get noisy out at the time those lines are delivered. :-X
lol, you're probably correct, mandru, but I couldn't help myself :)
Quote from: Art Blade on January 29, 2010, 09:54:21 AM
Actually, I changed the topic's subject a little, so it might attract the right people... ;)
Good thinking, mate :)
Ta, mate :) I reckon it was what you had in mind :)
Guys I'm trying to find the audio files on the words spoken by the mercs in FC2, some of it is spoken in Afrikaans and Zulu, I was asked to help with traslating, I've been able to find all other audio files in the game except those, If anyone knows where I can find them please let me know so I can extract them, do the translating and post them here, thanks
I moved this from "off topic" to "questions" and made it sticky, so people actually see it.
Please help us here, guys :)
I don't know how the merc lines are embedded into the game files because I too have not managed to extract them. The funny thing is that you can extract all the other sounds, but these. Also funny is that I have extracted sound bytes that I don't recall actually hearing in the game.
you right about that PZ, I'm on my fourth round in the game and have not come across some of the sounds I found, but then I have not been on multiplayer yet, maybe some of the sounds come from there.
And thanks for the link to that little Extractor, works brilliant.
Other than extracting, there's some spoken stuff on the radio broadcasts, just stand next to a working radio for long enough. Other than than, it would be tedious to use AI Ignore mode and wander around hoping to hear the sound byte you're looking for.
My pleasure, but thanks go to D_B who posted the original information. I believe that all the radio broadcasts extract nicely, and they are quite interesting to hear. You can easily find them in the list of a million sound files due to their relatively larger size.
I'm still looking, asked ubisoft for assistance and waiting for response from them
thanks for your efforts, nexor63 :)
Guys, I have not forgotten or given up, I managed to find the email address of the Administrator at Farcry2 Head Office, just sent him an email, hope I will get a positive response from him. Will keep you posted........... :)
Good luck with it nexor63 :-X
That would be awesome :) Maybe if he visits OWG... ;)
I'm one up on you ole buddy, I included a link to OWG........... ;)
;D :-X
Hi guys, here is some Zulu for you.
I have just uploaded a short clip of what is said in Zulu over the radio before and after the news broadcast........
The Zulu words spoken on radio before and after the news broadcast;
ULALELE ILIZWI LABANTU means, U are listening to the words of the people (LABANTU means people)
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UMSAKAZO WOKUKHULULEKA means, the wireless of freedom (WOKUKHULULEKA means freedom)
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The voices heard while the drums are going are not actual words spoken, and the drums going is just part of the music being played.
Spoiler
[smg id=2272 type=av]
edited the code so it embeds properly (sorry, size can't be changed) /Art // re-edit: due to the fact that MS' media player kind of explodes in size, I decided to put it in spoiler tags to keep it in check. Still works, but only expands when clicked :)
That´s excellent nexor63 :-X
Thanks for the translation nexor63 - I've listened to those lines countless times and have always wondered what it meant :-X
thanks man, cool! Even a transcription of the Zulu text!
Now all we need to do is learn how to pronounce it ;D
Great w@&k, nexor63! :-X Thanks muchly!
Seems like we're on our own, Ubisoft(FC2) management is not even responding to me emails.
I'm going out to merc posts to pick a fight so I can capture the audio, so if you guys have clips or manage to capture those scenes I can then translate for you that way.. :)
Sad, really, how Ubi again displays a brilliant act of customer care.
I bet our guys will provide you with vids, though. :)
Seems like the members who are still playing FC2 are not realy interested in what these mercs are saying, because no one has come up with any vids or audio. A pity, because this is a brilliant game, the only one that I know of where you can play any part of the game over and over and you cannot play two of them exactly the same.
Truly - I tried locating the merc files in the extracted set, but had no luck. Funny thing is that there were plenty of other sound bits, but not the lines.
I tried to dig up something using google. All I found was nexor63's request at FC2HQ (thanks for your tries there, pity you never got any replies there).
The only other way is to do what I did, copy the video with audio and then post it here, I use Fraps and it works brilliantly.
Quote from: nexor63 on September 07, 2010, 07:01:56 AM
Seems like the members who are still playing FC2 are not realy interested in what these mercs are saying, because no one has come up with any vids or audio. A pity, because this is a brilliant game, the only one that I know of where you can play any part of the game over and over and you cannot play two of them exactly the same.
I wish I had the capability to record my gameplay but that isn't an option on consoles.
My favorite tactic is to charge into a location like the Post Office, Cattle Ranch, or diamond mine -- take cover and let the mercs surround and come to me. The merc vocalizations as they do so are entertaining, especially with a higher reputation level.
I've taped a few of these and transcribed them the best I could.
The sayings we refer to is the ones where the mercs speak Afrikaans (my mother tongue) and Zulu (one of our coutry's official languages), other than english these are the only languages spoken by the mercs. The members asked me if I could translate what these mercs are saying, I have already posted some. Being on console is a problem yes, let's hope some members on pc would be able to come up with some.
I wish I knew what the Zulu and Afrikaans phrases were. I enjoy them.
One sounds like "Boolah Boolah" or "Boodah Boodah" really fast and seems to occur when a merc is reloading...wonder if it is the equivalent of "No, Not now!"
;D
One line in Afrikaans contains words that have obvious resemblances to German (my mother tongue) that I can gather its meaning, the merc is indeed saying it when he has to reload. It's something like "god damn it, does it really have to be just now, it's about just the perfect time for it" ^+-+
My two semesters of college German and a couple of weeks spent in Austria and Germany aren't serving me very well after 20 years. ;D
The only time I ever used it here was to visit with my mother's next door neighbor who had immigrated from Hanover after the war.
She thought my pseudo Hoch-Deutsch pronunciation with a Southern US accent was amusing.
Don't worry ;D :-X
Quote from: Art Blade on September 13, 2010, 12:32:00 PM
One line in Afrikaans contains words that have obvious resemblances to German (my mother tongue) that I can gather its meaning, the merc is indeed saying it when he has to reload. It's something like "god damn it, does it really have to be just now, it's about just the perfect time for it" ^+-+
You're spot on with that one Art, but Afrikaans is a mixture of German, French, Dutch and heaven alone what else.... ;D .........the closest to Afrikaans is Flemish.
Quote from: eor123 on September 13, 2010, 12:50:10 PM
My two semesters of college German and a couple of weeks spent in Austria and Germany aren't serving me very well after 20 years. ;D
The only time I ever used it here was to visit with my mother's next door neighbor who had immigrated from Hanover after the war.
She thought my pseudo Hoch-Deutsch pronunciation with a Southern US accent was amusing.
^+-+ ^+-+.......Would love to hear that, I don't know how many OWG members can actualy copy the clips where the mercs speak those languages, then it will be easy for me to translate.
I think no one really is able to, unless they're accidentally recording a vid with such a line being part of the background. I'm sure most of us would love to have those lines translated :)
Yeah, the only way I've thought of to do it would be to turn on AI ignore, and walk around while recording, hoping that someone says the clip you're looking for. Not exactly a guarantee of success. That, and I think most of the Afrikaans is spoken during battles, where it's sometimes hard to hear what anyone is saying.
Yeah, I think so, too. Maybe starting a merc war while ignore_player is on helps.
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on September 21, 2010, 12:31:44 PM
Yeah, the only way I've thought of to do it would be to turn on AI ignore, and walk around while recording, hoping that someone says the clip you're looking for. Not exactly a guarantee of success. That, and I think most of the Afrikaans is spoken during battles, where it's sometimes hard to hear what anyone is saying.
Yes that's true, when on a mission I save the game just before attacking a post, then activate fraps and hopefully some of the mercs speak Afrikaans or Zulu, that way I have the clip with audio and can play it over and over to make sure I know what they say, Afrikaans is easy, the Zulu is difficult because some of the phrases have more than one meaning, and it takes a while to suss it out.
One thing just springs to my mind: Go to Port Selao, enter the church tower so you've got a safe haven and then throw a grenade down (or shoot someone). That will always make a lot of mercs run around and shout stuff. Sometimes Afrikaans and Zulu :)
Quote from: Art Blade on September 21, 2010, 04:03:43 PM
One thing just springs to my mind: Go to Port Selao, enter the church tower so you've got a safe haven and then throw a grenade down (or shoot someone). That will always make a lot of mercs run around and shout stuff. Sometimes Afrikaans and Zulu :)
Sounds like fun, I'm on my way there right now, will keep you posted
I used to do that for quite some time, even better with some cheats enabled (unlimited ammo, god mode, ignore_player.. you name it) :)
Quote from: Art Blade on September 22, 2010, 04:50:55 AM
I used to do that for quite some time, even better with some cheats enabled (unlimited ammo, god mode, ignore_player.. you name it) :)
Now what would we do without you Art... :-X
I realy had some fun, got some Afrikaans out of the mercs, tried several times, no luck with Zulu, will try other places...........Going to try and post them, keep an eye out for them, hope I don't get banned, there's a curse word or two......................
Don't worry about bans, mate. In general we keep up "good" language, but once in a while both admins let slip a four-letter-word ;) Forum filters for the most common swearwords are merely a reminder to keep up a good quality.. It does make a difference if you read through forums where everyone keeps swearing all the time and then compare it with forums like ours where language is always at a nice level. If you quote a game that uses curse words, we'll perfectly understand the situation ;D
And I'm glad you liked the Port Selao experience ;D
On the subject of extracting merc dialog through direct interaction with them for translation. You might not want to include the AI ignore.
The suggestion of turning on all the cheat bells and whistles so that you can jump in with them and stir things up is good but I think that the AI ignore option may actually limit some of the possible responses. Under the influence of AI ignore the only way mercs can get a fix on your location is if you non-lethally shoot one of them then he can shoot back.
Also if another merc witnesses you non-lethally shooting his buddy he will also return fire but if you clean kill mercs firing on you, even if they are part of a larger group, your position again becomes obscured for all mercs present.
Dialog presented when they can't see or find you may be selected from a different set of situational options than possible where they have you in sight and want to get you as quickly as they can. At least it might be worth a try. :)
It seems to me that the bad language protocol breaks into three categories. Putting forward a strictly non-official list drawing from my experience here at OWG.
1. Game quote's, we've all heard them and are minimally ruffled by them. Though even quotes are often blunted as described in #2.
2. Language directed towards a game character or a situation within the game or a frustrating situation in the real world. These occurrences are often self filtered with inserted @#$%*& characters to blunt the words impact without obscuring the meaning and even if that's not the case members have typically been self limiting on the amount of invective they've placed in a post.
3. Swear words directed at another member (I've never witnessed this ;D :-X). I am fairly certain would be received with a huge >:(( by most members. I suspect that predictable reaction and the fact that the members that have settled here do have a refreshing level of maturity has probably been a principal deterrent to that situation. Though I'm pretty sure an breach in this convention would earn the offender a quick trip to the woodshed for some firmly applied tutelage. ;)
;D
re: cheats. Well, if not player_ignore, then at least god mode. They can banter and shout all they want, right in your face :)
I have a few video clips where the mercs speak Afrikaans, maybe I'm missing something but I don't seem to find the 'Image Gallery' to post the clips
it's now called "media" and can be found on top of the page, in the menu bar.
I was thinking of using AI ignore to get the banter between mercs, which is hard to get otherwise, because, unless you're in town, they just go from relaxed banter mode to attack mode, where a different set of reactions would be called for. To get the attack comments, of course, it would be better for AI ignore to be off, but god mode on :-)
Just offhand, at the moment I don't recall ever hearing Afrikaans or Zulu in relaxed banter mode, just in attack mode.
yep, and understandable: When they talk to one another, they want to be understood -- English. When they swear to themselves, well, they can as well swear in their native tongue ;D But some lines in Afrikaans sound like they were commanding someone to do something, which is odd.
Yep, you guys are right, as you will notice with the five videos I posted, and It's only the ones speaking Afrikaans and Zulu who's doing the commanding, quite strange........
Oh, and I hope I done it right............. ;D ;D
It worked fine nexor63 :-X
Because they are wmv format it makes them a bit large so it will be best for viewers to go directly to the media gallery to view the videos.
Thanks for translating! :-X
Great, your post started my 2nd page of this topic (50 entries per page) so I don't get to see the extremely expanded topic due to those MASSIVELY oversized embedded media players any more ;D Typical MS.
What whould be the best format for the vids?
Although wmv is fine if that is your format of choice, I personally have found that uploading my raw video to YouTube has been a great way to process the video. The YouTube server will take almost any format you have and convert it into what they deliver on the 'net. Once the conversion is completed, they give you a share link which you can paste directly into a forum post, or create a media link in our gallery if you want to fill your own album.
Oh yes!! now I remember, sorry guys...........will post the future ones on youtube...
No worries - with all the options possible on the 'net these days, it takes a bit of poking around to find the best solution. ;)
Just to be fair, fragger started the whole subject and now the "audio files" topic became more prominent, so I merged the original topic fragger started with the one nexor63 started (as kind of a continuation) so now we have both together. :)
I don't mind being merged for the greater good :-D
;D
I always try to merge topics that have the same subject as long as I can keep a (chrono-)logical order of the posts so we avoid confusion and double posts etc. The credits gets the one who started first, in this case you. :)
Quote from: nexor63 on September 25, 2010, 06:50:19 AM
What whould be the best format for the vids?
Just wanted to pick that one up: You may go on uploading wmv files. Since this forum's software automatically embeds simple links, in this case it starts MS media player that really, really is too big for the post, I found out that you can avoid stretching the post beyond its "natural" borders if you hide your link inside a spoiler tag.
Only if you click on the spoiler will the player "explode" (hehe) and pop up only for the person who clicks that spoiler. Once you click it again, the player will hide again and the format of the post (and the board) will be what it is supposed to be. :)
Example:
Spoiler
[smg id=2589 type=av]
Quote from: Art Blade on October 02, 2010, 07:00:32 AM
Only if you click on the spoiler will the player "explode" (hehe)
Re: Spoiler Box
"It's full of stars!" :o
Spoiler
:-D >:D ^+-+
;D :-X
By the way, I meant "media player" -- not a gamer ;D
I have Any Video Converter and Prism Video Converter on my machine, both can convert from most any format to most any format, I have noticed that youtube videos are .flv format, I'll convert the next clip I upload to .flv and see what happens...... ;D
I'm completely lost, you guys are getting tooooooo technical for my little brain, you see when I was little I couldn't understand English, on account of me being an Afrikaans boy.....so when brains were dished out, I thought the guy meant 'drains'.....so I ask for a small one........ :-D
You're a big boy now and no one is going to harass you here. Chillax, mate ;D
Quote from: mandru on October 02, 2010, 09:58:23 AM
Quote from: Art Blade on October 02, 2010, 07:00:32 AM
Only if you click on the spoiler will the player "explode" (hehe)
Re: Spoiler Box
"It's full of stars!" :o
^+-+ :-X :-X
;D
What are they saying:
Actual words..... Skoert hoor jy my! skoert en bly weg.....
scram you hear me! scram and stay away...you can go to google translate, do the settings for translating Afrikaans to English, enter the words and translate.....
what are they saing Afrikaans 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1UF_22JBjA#)
[admin]Hey nexor63 - I edited out the extra YouTube stuff that is not necessary. All you need do to embed a video is to copy the url directly into the post - embed code is not necessary. ;)[/admin]
more what are they saying:
Haai kom gou hier, dan kan ons klaar speel met hom
Hey come here quickly, so we can finish him off
Glimlag, wys jou tande dan skiet ek hulle flenters
Smile, show your teeth so I can shoot them to rags(Flenters)
Moenie nader kom nie, ek waarsku jou!
Don't come closer, I'm warning you!
Help iemand hy's hierso ek het nou hulp nodig
Someone help, he's here I need help(assistance) now
hierso gou ek het hulp nodig!
here quickly, I need help(assistance)!
Haai jy!, kom fokken hier, ek het hulp nodig
Hey you!, come f*****n here, I need (help)assistance
Haai jy!, waarvoor wag jy, kom fokken hier!
Hey you!, what're you waiting for, come f*****n here!
what are they saying Afrikaans 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA14hatQLQc#)
no problem with the editing, will get the hang of it one day... :D...some of the Afrikaans/English translating on google translate is not bad....I'm working on some Zulu........
It's great that you're able to translate these phrases - quite often in the early days of OWG we lamented the fact that we did not have a member that was able to do these translations - many thanks for your efforts! :-X
Thanks nexor63! :-X
It's always great to be able to fill in some of the gaps that went into making FC2. :)
Those of us that have really gotten into the game and have dug deeper into the vast amount of detail that has gone into its creation know why the end credits run for over 10 minutes.
Your contribution with supplying the translations for these commonly heard phrases is appreciated and goes a long way to giving the rest of us us a wider glimpse of the whole FC2 picture.
Clips and translations - easily worth a kudos from me. 8)
I recognised some of the Afrikaans lines (I know how most of them sound) and it's funny to read those parts I never understood (as in I couldn't make out some Afrikaans words) and then the translation is even funnier because I can then relate that to German and see some resemblances there.
Thanks for that, and indeed a slap on the back to get your kudos up ;D :-X
Quote from: nexor63 on October 11, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
Help iemand hy's hierso ek het nou hulp nodig
Someone help, he's here I need help(assistance) now
When I was hearing the word "iemand" I thought for sure I was hearing the word demon (with an accent) and had expressed that somewhere here on the forums. Which just shows how strong my translating skills are especially if I attempt interpreting purely by context. :-[
Quote from: nexor63 on October 11, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
Help iemand hy's hierso ek het nou hulp nodig
Someone help, he's here I need help(assistance) now
Quote from: mandru on October 11, 2010, 10:43:08 AM
When I was hearing the word "iemand" I thought for sure I was hearing the word demon (with an accent) and had expressed that somewhere here on the forums.
May I help you remember? ;D
Quote from: mandru on January 29, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
The only thing I understand when one of the mercs is shrieking at me in Afrikaans is the word "Demon!" ;)
By the way:
Afrikaans: "Help iemand hy's hierso ek het nou hulp nodig"
Deutsch attempt 1 (word by word): Hilfe jemand er ist hier ich hätte nun Hilfe nötig
Deutsch attempt 2 (proper): Hilfe! Er ist hier! Ich könnte jetzt Unterstützung (support) gebrauchen!
First attempt English: "Someone help, he's here I need help(assistance) now"
Second attempt (translated from German and English): Someone help! He's here! I could use support now!"
Which leads me to believe that the Afrikaans line is a little strange (actually, most of them). As if someone who isn't really a native speaker was asked to make up some lines for the game. If I look at the German and English versions, I'd say at least in English, in a situation that line is used, adding a tad of sarcasm (because apparently everyone of the mates is hiding or avoiding enemy contact or at least no one is going to send in support), I'd say it differently:
Third attempt English ("interpreted"): He's here! I could really use some help now!
I'd like to hear nexor's version if he had to think up a line like that, how'd you react / what would you say? :)
I edited the previous post a little, JRD, I see you're looking at it, but the "edited" didn't show up. ;)
Quote from: Art Blade on October 11, 2010, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: nexor63 on October 11, 2010, 08:55:25 AM
Help iemand hy's hierso ek het nou hulp nodig
Someone help, he's here I need help(assistance) now
Quote from: mandru on October 11, 2010, 10:43:08 AM
When I was hearing the word "iemand" I thought for sure I was hearing the word demon (with an accent) and had expressed that somewhere here on the forums.
May I help you remember? ;D
Quote from: mandru on January 29, 2010, 10:44:22 AM
The only thing I understand when one of the mercs is shrieking at me in Afrikaans is the word "Demon!" ;)
OWG is the only web site in the whole world with a living search engine! ;D
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or not ^-^
But we're not going to tell anyone, are we? ;D
Thanks guys, it's a real pleasure doing the translating......Art, the person who the developers used for Afrikaans is most definitely Afrikaans speaking: "Help iemand hy's hier'so ek het nou hulp nodig"
Basically all he's doing is calling out for assistance from anyone......
"Help....... iemand"......the word "iemand" can mean(someone/anyone/somebody)
"hy's".....can also be written as...."hy is" which means..."he's" or "he is".....
"hier'so"...means.. right here, in this instance he is informing whoever is listening to him that the person they are looking for is right here.
"ek"....means "I".....the word "het"..means "have", but in this instance it has no real meaning when the sentence is translated to English ....
"nou"....means ..now....
"hulp"....can mean(help/ assistance/support)
"nodig"....means "need"......
A lot of things what the person who's speaking Zulu is saying is very much the same as what the Afrikaans speaking guy is saying.
Very cool nexor63, it makes sense that faced with the same situation what ever language someone speaks would still result in similar dialog.
As for our personal live in search engine, I see that I made that incorrect comment way back in January on this very thread.
I suspect Art may be AltaVista in real life. >:D
Hey, thanks for all your efforts thus far, nexor63 :-D You're doing a fantastic job! Here's a kudo from me, too :)
Nexor, thanks for your last post. I can see that there are so many nuances to spoken language that each one of us might suggest a different line (even if only slightly different) for the same situation. It is a pleasure reading through all this, and I like the open discussion here :)
Thanks all you guys I really enjoy doing it. :-[ :-D it's only a pity so few OWG members are actively taking part in all these discussions..... :-(
I`m tracking this thread too (I even slapped you in the back and gave you a thumbs up, didn`t you feel it? ;D ) but am not really replying as I`m quite busy today and my boss is going around me as a shark around a bleeding tuna ::)
But I really appreciatte your effort, mate... keep up the great w@&k!
Indeed - good w@&k. Although not many are actively replying, there are orders of magnitudes more that read but do not post. I often post things even though I know there probably won't be many replies; however, I know that it will be read by many - this thread for instance has 741 views as of right now.
Quote from: JRD on October 13, 2010, 08:21:32 AM
I`m tracking this thread too (I even slapped you in the back and gave you a thumbs up, didn`t you feel it? ;D ) but am not really replying as I`m quite busy today and my boss is going around me as a shark around a bleeding tuna ::)
But I really appreciatte your effort, mate... keep up the great w@&k!
My back's still smarting mate... ;D but was referring to non-active members, some of them might have very valuable comments or game experiences to share but is either reluctant or too shy to draw attention to themselves. The more active members OWG have, the greater this site will become.......viva la OWG.....
It is unlikely that those silent members will ever post. It is more likely that a new member joins who is going to participate.
While this is not exactly Afrikaans/Cape Dutch I came across my something on my last play through that does raise the question "What are they saying?" ????
I'd reached the point where I had gone to the airfield to rescue Reuben and received news that the Jackal was at the prison and I should go there next. As I was getting ready to leave I noticed the group of people sitting circled on the floor were exhibiting a curious side to side head jerk that I'd not noticed before, so I went over closer to examine the behavior.
As I approached the group the ambient background sound shifted slightly and I could detect parts of language, mixed murmurs and an occasional word spoken that I could almost identify but was never able to say "Ah! They said ...".
The background sound there was rather eerie.
On a completely aside note I had noticed that there were lots of holes in the roof of that hangar many directly above that group. In a previous time through the game I had exited the building after speaking with Reuben and fired off several grenades with the launcher at a high angle to try to drop a few inside one of the holes in the hangar roof and succeeded. On reentering the things around the group that could be broken was all shattered and smashed but the group sitting on the floor (as well as Reuben) were completely unharmed.
If I'm not mistaken the people seated on the floor in the hangar are the exact same group (at least most of them) that we see in the final moments of the game where Reuben snaps the last picture of our character or the Jackal before the credits roll. I believe even the clothing and facial features are the same and from other posts and from being able to actually get around the fence at the border crossing myself those people too are impervious to any of our weapons like the ones in the hangar.
Just passing on a few stray observations that probably don't mean anything. ;)
Excellent observations none the less :-X
I've tried to blow those hangar people up, too, without success. What I keep doing, however, is slip a hand grenade through the gap in the back of the hangar where that fricking generator is located so it blows and stops humming before I enter the hangar. I hate those generators. :)
Quote from: mandru on October 23, 2010, 09:54:07 PMJust passing on a few stray observations that probably don't mean anything. ;)
You're right.
;D ;)
:-()
Quote from: mandru on October 23, 2010, 09:54:07 PM
If I'm not mistaken the people seated on the floor in the hangar are the exact same group (at least most of them) that we see in the final moments of the game where Reuben snaps the last picture of our character or the Jackal before the credits roll. I believe even the clothing and facial features are the same and from other posts and from being able to actually get around the fence at the border crossing myself those people too are impervious to any of our weapons like the ones in the hangar.
Aren't these people Reuben's family? and if so........then it would be them showing up there with Reuben.... ???? I think so...... :-\\
Hard to tell, it crossed my mind, too, but then again, I don't think so. I'd have expected Reuben to say so, he was overly eager to tell us stuff until our ears were about to fall off, like when you turned away he got really angry ;) He would have mentioned them, I think.
I may be wrong - it's been a while - but when you're talking to Reuben in the hanger, doesn't he ask you to deliver some personal effects to his wife in the event he doesn't make it out? I don't think he'd ask you to do that if his family is right there with him already. Unless those are his kids in the hanger while his wife is elsewhere, and he means if none of them make it out... I can't remember exactly what he says during that conversation.
yeah, he gives you something for safekeeping.. you never see it nor can you actually deliver it..
I think fragger's got it. Reuben asks you to make sure his wife and daughter makhaila(sp) receives a packet that isn't reflected in a animated exchange which I found rather incongruous but they needed a physical click from the player to update the "Current Mission" status.
I guess this player choice check point was functionally different from the subverted mission assignment where you have been instructed by one of the faction leaders to take an agreement to the opposing faction leader and pick up a briefcase of diamonds to seal the deal.
When your BB meets you downstairs they just tell you to grab the diamonds and hightail it to the landing field so all freelancers can evac but no click is required because you will run into the Jackal and never make that appointment.
Spoiler
There is no other way to play it. Believe me I've tried everything I can think of. You touch the briefcase and the Jackal's got a machete to your throat and you wake up at the prison.
I see that Art guy managed to slip in under me again while I was bloviating. :-D
did I? ^-^
"bloviating" ^+-+ Oh c'mon.. you're not bloviating. Just taking your time, perhaps.. :-()
One thing that I can't get out of my head.. since this topic is basically about languages in Africa...
Africa..
Johannesburg..
Miriam Makeba..
Pata Pata Dance.
It apparently contains the "click language" (Xhosa language) if I'm not completely mistaken..
apart from English, that is.. Does that dance still exist? I mean, that song was released 1967..
Nexor :) Any idea? :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-VrfadKbco&feature=related
To think that South Africa was at it's peak during the segregation era (Apartheid) when Miriam Makeba released the Pata Pata song....... She and the Pata Pata was on every South Africans lips overnight..... Today, more than fourty years later it's still strong, we often hear the song on radio and if you go into youtube you will see how far and wide the Pata Pata has gone......Sadly she passed away allmost two years ago to the day....... :'(
Yes Art you're right, it's the Xhosa language, somewere one of the members commented hearing some of the mercs using a language with "clicking" sounds... other than the "Bushman" language that consists mostly of clicking, Xhosa also have a lot of "clicking" sounds...it's possable that Xhosa was also used in the game.....
Enjoy the Video clip...... :)
Thank you very much and indeed, I did :)
Heh, that was a blast from the past! Thanks nexor, nice one :-X :-D
Indeed - very interesting :-X
???
YouTube is like quicksand for me. I went to Miriam Makeba's Pata Pata link then following out to see if there were other examples of Pata Pata still going on I ran across a very cute clip of young Asian girls in a dance class dancing to it (I've mentioned elsewhere on the boards that I'm an anime fan and those camera hogging girls were So Kawaii! (Note: kawaii = the kind of sweet cuteness that can cause diabetes in too high levels of concentration ::)))
After that I followed out links to Rita Moreno with Animal from the Muppets doing the song Fever and then onto a clip of Animal and Buddy Rich having a battle of the drummers and a Harry Belafonte and Animal Drum Duet (the clip title said solo but there were two of them , right/).
It never ends every clip I view has a whole set of new links to chase out. The next thing I know it's
3:45 AM and I'm telling myself "Just this one more, just this one more... Wait what's this???
Anyway from what I've been able to figure out through extensive personal research ( ??? ) is that Pata Pata is alive and well on YouTube. :-X
Animal (the muppet, I mean) is absolutely great! That video of him playing with Rita Moreno is great... all videos with Animal are great... all Muppets are great! ;D ;D ;D
And yes, youtube is very addictive... I too find myself loosing a few hours in front of the PC checking one video after another! :-X
Youtube should come with a warning label "May have a seriously detramental effect on your sleep habits. Not safe for w@&k" ;D
that might be just a nice excuse.. "Look, boss, that keeps me awake. If I'm not allowed to do that, I'll go right back to sleep." ;D
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I have a sure-fire YouTube habit-breaker: a cruddy net access speed. When I have to wait half a minute for every 5 seconds of footage to come down to me, or hang out until the wee small hours for my access speed to improve, it's easy for me to say no to YT ;D Which is just as well, otherwise I'd get stuck on it for hours.
Me too, Fragger, and mine is worse than yours I would think. Since it's dialup. No kidding. If I get 33K out of it, I'm happy. Sometimes it actually gets up to 37K or even GASP! 40K but not very often. Obviously, at that speed, watching videos of any type is out of the question.
I still didn't read everything in this topic but I just heared some merc screeming "Wat verwacht jij?" or maybe more like "Wa' verwach' jij?" That is dutch (or at least sounds like it) and means "What do you expect?"
Gonna listen carefully and see if they say more before I kill them ;)
:-D
"...gauw, ik heb hulp nodig" --> "I need some help, quick"
:-X ;)
Finally took the time to reed the entire topic. Great w@&k Nexor on all this discovering. Funny thing is when I read the lines in Africaans you translated it sounds all very Dutch to me. There are slight differences, especially when you write them down, but in general even gramatically, the way the sentence is built, sounds recognizable to me. That's cool.
As I showed above I also ran into some lines in Africaans: It happened in the hut above at Goca Falls, after killing the suspect. A group of mercs attacks you while you're still in the hut. These guys speak understandable frases. I was quite surprised to be able to understand them.
I remember, when Worldcup Football was about to come to South Africa, there were various documentairies on Dutch television about the life in SA and the differences since the end of the Apartheid. There were various interviews with Africaans speaking guys and the conversations were all subtitled, but I could allmost understand everything they said. Some other speakers had a language which was more English-based though. How many (un)official languages are there actually in South Africa? And what are native languages? Is it only Zulu or more?
It's still interesting, I like foreign languages a lot ;)
I just heared them say:
"Hau jy maai for dy gek?" (I hope I come close to the Africaans way of spelling)
In Dutch: "Hou je me voor de gek?"
In English: "Are you kidding me?"
what is "gek?" The rest looks as if it literally meant, "are you slapping my...?" :)
Gek means crazy. He's actually saying: "You hold me for a madman?" ^-^
good to have you around, helps preventing serious misunderstandings :-()
what he says is: HOU JY MY VIR DIE GEK.......translated to english.........do you think i'm a fool, fool (gek) in dutch...hou je me voor de gek
your explanation binnatics...are you kidding me......In Afrikaans it means....is jy laf..in Dutch......ben je laf
South Africa has eleven official languages. They are Afrikaans, English, Ndebele, Northern Sotho, Sotho, Swazi, Tswana, Tsonga, Venda, Zulu and Xhosa(the clicking language) very much like the bushman of the kalahari, only.....the bushman is just clicking....
http://youtu.be/c246fZ-7z1w (http://youtu.be/c246fZ-7z1w)
This clip is about the bushman
http://youtu.be/KZlp-croVYw (http://youtu.be/KZlp-croVYw)
This is what Xhosa sounds like
:-X
Funny, at first we didn't have anyone to ask and now they're almost fighting over it :-()
:-()
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I think it's marvelous that we have members that can translate what we hear in the game :-X
Quote from: nexor63 on May 27, 2011, 09:30:45 AM
your explanation binnatics...are you kidding me......In Afrikaans it means....is jy laf..in Dutch......ben je laf
But; "Ben je laf?" in Dutch means (literally) "are you a sissy?" -laf- means -cowardly- (google transpate helped me on that ;))
About the 11 different languages: WoW!!!! That's a lot!!! And it sounds like they are all quite independant, I mean not being a dialect or something. If you find different languages in Europe mostly they are linked to eachother and just different in dialect.
I'll check the clicking language, I'm quite curious for that. Without having heared it yet, it reminds me of Arab; that language has weird throat-sounds that are very different from most european languages. Sounds funny ^-^
In Afrikaans "Is jy laf" could also mean "are you being ridicules"... or... "are you out of your mind" in English, what the word "laf" means in Dutch? that I'll get back to you.....I'm seeing my brother inlaw on Sunday, he's dutch..............
Quote from: Binnatics on May 22, 2011, 01:06:46 PM
I just heared them say:
"Hau jy maai for dy gek?" (I hope I come close to the Africaans way of spelling)
In Dutch: "Hou je me voor de gek?"
In English: "Are you kidding me?"
The correct spelling would be...."Hou jy my vir die gek"
^-^ interesting discussion :-X
Yes it is :-X
(Even though it's all double Dutch to me :-() )
Great discussion indeed, and great videaos about the clicking language.
I once went to Namibia and could hear a man speaking in one of those clicking languages... very interesting how it sounds :-X
It's great to read about that in OWG... it adds so much value to our small community! Kudos to you all!! :-X
Binnatics, I had a chat with my brother inlaw he wasn't very sure as he's not speaking as much Dutch now after his parents passed away but said it's quite possible that you're right about the dutch meaning of "laf", very interesting......... :-X
Yeah, that's funny. Same word, same origin, but a total different meaning :)
The Africaans way of writing is a mystery to me... allthough when I read it I can understand.
I heard some mercs saying "Gloeste man, gloeste" "Wo's smoki daki" and "We need more cover geto!" (sounds like that for me, I can make out the meaning of the third line) ;) I also heard a guy talking about "Komme in den Hakkenrat" :o
I can only make out some of the words you posted GKID, if you have the clip where the mercs were talking so I can hear what is said, I will then be able to translate it for you
I found one of them on a different forum :-D http://sagamer.co.za/forum/showthread.php?14136-List-of-Afrikaans-quotes-in-Far-Cry-2/page4 (http://sagamer.co.za/forum/showthread.php?14136-List-of-Afrikaans-quotes-in-Far-Cry-2/page4)
Hoe smaak jy dit? Probably the "smoki daki" thing I heard ??? :-()
Translation: How do you like that.
The "hakkenrat" is heard in your first video from 00:06 to 00:08. what are they saing Afrikaans 1[/ur (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1UF_22JBjA#)
Quote from: GKID7891 on March 26, 2015, 02:59:12 AM
The "hakkenrat" is heard in your first video from 00:06 to 00:08. what are they saing Afrikaans 1[/ur
the "hakkenrat" is actualy,,,, sit jou gat in rat
the words as from 0:05 in the clip, he's calling one of his friends for assistance ...jy! ja jy, kom hier, sit jou gat in rat
it means.... you! yes you, come here, get your arse in gear
:-D Thank you 1+ :-X
Nice job, nex :-X +1
Indeed :-X :)
I can understand the whole sentence, except the gat in rat thing. That must be a local adjustment to the Dutch, but is sounds awesome ;)
If translated in Google Translate, the sentence becomes: "ja jy, kom hier, sit jou gat in rat" = "ja je, kom hier, zit je gat in de versnelling" in Dutch. ;) The word "de versnelling" can be replaced with "in de rat" or simply "in rat" according to Translate ???
The only word that puzzles me, in fact, is "Rat". It literally means "Rat" in English, the mouse-like awful creature living in the sewers. The word "Gat" means hole, probably meant as the a$$-hole / arse. That is the same in Dutch.
So I wonder if there has been added a different link between the word Rat and Gear. I find it heavily interesting to try and understand what has happened to the Dutch language overseas. The language has followed its own path of transition while the place where it came from follows another path and has to deal with other influences. The differences are amazing, and tell you a lot about history. Great to have this discussion with you lads :) :-X
I love it - we are an international group of friends that can analyze virtually any topic and come up with a reasonable outcome.
I really enjoy our international interactions :-X
:-X :)
Thanks for the Kudos guys :-X
It is an expression often used here Binn, basically you telling someone to get off their lazy asses and do something or to hurry up and get the job done.
The English version is also used often.
Thanx Nex! Your country has such a variety of languages, really amazing :) :-X
Quote from: Binnatics on March 28, 2015, 03:32:04 PM
Thanx Nex! Your country has such a variety of languages, really amazing :) :-X
The only country with 11 official languages :D :D
https://youtu.be/qUT7RPpBPuU?t=70
Here's the "glosete man, glosete!" thingy ???? ^-^
He's saying...... los dit net man, los dit net, the meaning..... leave it man, just leave it
to me the E sound seems to be first and the I sound last. As in, "los het niet, man, los het niet" or some such :)
1+ :-X :-D :-D :-D :-D
Interesting.
What I hear is "l'm yammering over here so you know where to shoot!"
:-D
Around the 3:44 mark on the video you hear a guy saying "moenie nader kom nie, ek waarsku jou"
meaning......"don't come closer, I'm warning you"
at about 7:06 a guy says "hy's hierso, ons het nou hulp nodig" meaning....."he's here, we need help now"
The music together will the other noises makes very difficult to make out anything else that was said.
Personally I don't like the music in the game, makes me think that I'm watching a movie :(
Quote from: nexor on March 31, 2015, 03:46:30 AM
Personally I don't like the music in the game, makes me think that I'm watching a movie :(
I typically go back and forth with the music. I like it to start, then tre of it to listen to nothing but the environmental ambiance, and then when I return to the game sometimes years later, I turn it back on for nostalgia sake. :-()
I usually switch off ANY music in ANY game. When I feel like listening to music while gaming, I'll have my mp3-player or some such running in the background, playing "my" music. :-D
Quote from: nexor on March 31, 2015, 03:46:30 AM
..."moenie nader kom nie, ek waarsku jou"...
..."hy's hierso, ons het nou hulp nodig"...
Perfectly understandable for me, a Dutchman;
"Je moet niet nader komen nu, ik waarschuw je"
"Hij is hierzo, we hebben nu hulp nodig"
Quote from: nexor on March 30, 2015, 11:16:33 AM
He's saying...... los dit net man, los dit net, the meaning..... leave it man, just leave it
It makes me think of the opposite;
"los dit net man, los dit net" in Dutch: "laat dit niet los man, laat niet los" meaning.... Don't let go man, don't let go!
That's what I make of it ;)
In this instance Binn, the reason why the guy is saying to the other, "los dit net man, los dit net"
is based on the conversations between these mercs we always hear when they bad mouthing their working conditions and also when searching for you.
Don't let go man, don't let go would be "moenie dit los nie man, moenie dit los nie"
Funny how it can be confusing sometimes :-D
Thanx for the explanation Nex! :-X
Pleasure mate ;D :-X
https://youtu.be/BU3YaxWXUz0?t=554 Another quote ???
Can't make much of it :-\\
It would be cool if Afrikaans/Zulu subtitles for the enemies could be modded in ;) >:D :-D
Btw, translated some of the quotes from Afrikaans to Dutch in Google Translate ;)
Afrikaans:
Spoiler
Haai kom gou hier, dan kan ons klaar speel met hom
Glimlag, wys jou tande dan skiet ek hulle flenters
Haai jy!, kom fokken hier, ek het hulp nodig
ja jy, kom hier, sit jou gat in rat
los dit net man, los dit net
Dutch translation:
Spoiler
Haai kom gauw hier, dan kunnen we klaar met hem spelen
Glimlach, toon je tanden dan schiet ik ze lompen
Haai u !, komt neuken hier, ik heb hulp nodig
ja je, kom hier, zit je gat in de versnelling
los het gewoon man, los het net
As usual, Google translate makes me laugh :-()
"Haai" in Dutch means Shark. I'm sure they aren't talking about seafood in the desert or the swamp :laugh:
But you can see how much it resembles eachother. It's just the little differences. And they can mean a LOT ;)
8-X 8-X :laugh: :laugh: Agreed, Google Translate isn't that perfect ;) Btw now I imagine the enemies calling for a shark when they say "Haai" :laugh: "Shark, come here so we can finish him off" :laugh:
did anyone find the zulu translation from the mercs ????
Sadly, no
PZ, remember I did the Zulu translations for you guys at the time, don't know if they were lost when we moved over to OWG2
Dang, nex - now that you mention it, I remember something about that, but my memory is really hazy. Is this the topic (https://www.openworldgames.org/owg/forums/index.php?topic=1336.msg32257;topicseen#msg32257)?
That's the one PZ