THE BEST GAME IN THE WORLD EVAH!!! Saints Row 3

[Fiach]

IIRC that was a "mod" for GTA and not the original version?

[mandru]

My understanding was that it was actually buried intact in the game code and had to be unlocked.  I can be completely wrong and I often am.  I'm not sure of the precise details.  :-D

Still the results for "Hot Coffee" at best amounted to fully clothed dry humping and was a lot tamer than a lot of what's out there in other games nowadays.

[Binnatics]

I think you're right Mandru, it was embedded in the original first version of San Andreas. You had to unlock it with a cheat. Since there were so many complaints about it, they skipped it in the newer versions of the game. Still, if you have V1.0 it's there.
I've never seen it since I don't usually cheat, but I found all the turbulence about it kind of funny  ^-^

[Fiach]

Ah, OK, I have never completed a GTA game, so never needed to cheat lol :)

[mmosu]

Another reason I hate watching the news - a self-inflated bobblehead feigns disgust at a story like that, while at the same time ignoring their own professional responsibility to actually fact-check their stories before regurgitating them. 

[ninzza]

Saint Row The Third Mission 2 Trailer

Saints Row the Third Mission 2 Freefalling Trailer [HD]

wow looks very exciting  :-X

[Fiach]

Nice find, really enjoyed that :)

[ninzza]

I'm watching many SR 2 gameplay on Youtube, I think I might check it out today. Gameplay looks a lot of fun, crazier, funnier, more stuff, lots of cuztomization, weapons (you even can caryy a katana  ^+-+ ) than GTA IV. GTA IV sure looks better, bigger, the Liberty City feels much more alive but there are 2 things really bug me: first,the lack of mid-mission checkpoints is frustrating i.g. if you die/get busted you have to do the whole mission from the beginning again (along with the tedious driving), second, the "realistic physic" make the driving rather difficult.

[JRD]

 ??? wow.... the guy going through the plane three minutes after jumping out of it is... is... I can't find words for that...  ??? ... and all that fighting and falling debris while free falling...  ???

@ninzza... if I remember correctly you do have mid mission checkpoints in GTA IV although they are a bit far away so you might have to do a lot of stuff again if you die / get busted.

As for driving, it isn't the physics that bothers me in GTA IV but rather the camera. I have to keep correcting it with the mouse to get it right so it gets quite annoying. The other GTA games had a different camera view while driving, more steady at the back of the car, it was easier to see what you are doing during turns.

[Art Blade]

That vid was impressive with regard to pace (lots of action) and reminded me of JustCause2 but the graphics weren't so fresh -- they reminded me of older console games (as far as I can tell, being a PC gamer).

For my taste there were too many enemies coming from nowhere. I mean, think about it, you are in a plane about to be executed, manage to break free, kill LOADS of guards, take over the plane, throw out your buddies in the mean time, drop out of the plane, and now.. why would "body guards" jump out and chase you in packs? After that, going through all kinds of stuff that had fallen out of the plane you catch a girl, then the massive air liner  turns as if it was a WWII combat plane and manages to aim and ram you while you whiz down in free fall. And again there are still guards inside, and even more who have now jumped out (why only now and not when the first wave had jumped out?) and happily chase you.. I mean, COME ON! ::)

GTA IV is what I'm playing now, I'm new to GTA so I can't compare it with previous GTA games. I am a FPS guy who likes to drive FPS style. Like that, I don't have any difficulties driving around. When I want to see what's behind me, I switch camera views but generally I go back to FPS ("hood view"). The driving experience depends on the car you chose. If you're in a muscle car or those SUV-type of cars, you're close to losing it when turning and driving around corners but the European sports cars are flat and stiff as a plank so you can drift around easily.

When you die, you receive a text message on your mobile asking you if you want to retry the mission which will then start where the mission originally starts, so you don't need to drive to the mission first. I don't like the save game management of GTA IV either. 12 slots plus auto save, only being able to save when you're in a safehouse is annoying when playing on a PC. Maybe normal for consoles but silly for PC games.

[ninzza]

Makhail Faustin asks me to find his daughter. And then I have to chase the biker guy and shoot him . I died, then I have to drive to where his daughter is gain and chase the biker.

Little Jacob asks Niko to run down some guys and then take him to a building to help him shoot some other guys. I die at the building shootout, I have to restart the eintire mission from beginning: running down 3 bad guys.

But the the biggest problem in GTA is the gameplay, 99% of them require you to chase some guy and then either beat him or shoot him. I've just completed 20 missions and I feel bored, the gameplay are dull.
You dont have choice when doing mission, you can complete each mission in only 1 way.

IMO, GTA is way overrated and I'm very surprised that it's hugely popular.

[Art Blade]

In GTA IV there are several choices during the game and missions don't always play out exactly the same. For instance, you can use car bombs (prepare the car of the unsuspecting target) and blow him up or use a rocket launcher to blow him up or ram him and shoot him.. some missions allow you to climb around on cranes or high buildings and snipe the target rather than just waltzing in going close and personal using fire arms or hand grenades and so on.. In the meantime (free roam) there are so many things you can do and an incredible amount of different vehicles.. but that is just my point of view. If you experience it differently then we just perceive it differently :)

FC2 wasn't much different. Chase a target, kill a target, blow something up.. If you croak, your rescue buddy comes (in case you didn't forget to activate one previously) or you are asked to load a previous savegame which on consoles could be a long way from the actual mission. That's when the PC version was better, you could save anywhere and everywhere  :)

[ninzza]

Maybe there are some missions that allow players to complete objective in some ways but the 20 missions I've completed so far allow me only 1 way.

But the biggest problem with GTA IV (for me) is that there are far too many missions force you to chase some guy either by car or on foot.

Yes, in FC2, we also kill someone, blow up something much like GTA IV but I don't think there is any chase mission in FC2, maybe only 1 but certianly not 90% like GTA IV.

[Binnatics]

I think the chase-missions only occur at the beginning, when you are still a small guy on the streets. Once you get to know the 'big guys' you'll get better missions and won't have to chase them all the time. My opinion is that GTA missions are far more diverse then for example FC2. I've played older versions of the game as well and was always surprised with the differences between all the missions. But there is always a build-up in the gameplay. You always start like a small gangster guy and end up like one of the big time players. I remember Vice city where you started like a guy of zero importance, except for having huge debts with some bad guy. After fighting your way through a lot of missions you end up owning half the city. You can even buy a casino and a film-studio with corresponding missions. Some funny, others annoying, but always some good ones.  ;)

[Rhynder]

Minimum Specifications:

OS: Windows® XP
Processor: 2GHz Dual Core Processor (Intel® Core 2 Duo or AMD Athlon™ X2) or higher
Memory: 2GB System RAM or more
Graphics: 320MB Video RAM GPU w/ Shader Model 3.0 support.
- NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800 series or better.
- ATI Radeon™ HD3800 series or better
DirectX®: 9.0c
Hard Drive: 10GB
Sound: 100% DirectX® 9.0C compliant sound card or equivalent onboard sound

Recommended Specifications:

OS: Microsoft® Windows® 7
Processor: Any Quad Core Processor (Intel® Core i5 or AMD Phenom™ II X4) or 3.0+ Dual Core CPU
Memory: 4GB System RAM or more
Graphics: 1GB Video RAM GPU w/ Shader Model 4.0 support.
- NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 400 series or better.
- ATI Radeon™ HD5000 series or better
DirectX®: DirectX® 11
Hard Drive: 10 GB
Sound: 100% DirectX® 9.0C compliant sound card or equivalent onboard sound

Co-Op Play:

NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800 cards or higher. Requirement of 640MB of Video RAM.
ATI Radeon™ HD3800 cards or higher. Requirement of 1GB of Video RAM.



The ' Recommended ' system seems a little steep, not looking good for the PC's optimization, again :(, or it could be a sign that the PC version has very superior graphics (Higher resolution textures, models, view distance settings), So who knows? Only time will tell. Still waiting on the review for this one.

[PZ]

Wow, looks like I'll need a hardware upgrade!

[Rhynder]

Yeah, i'm expecting about the same for skyrim's PC spec's, which will be released in just a few days.

[Art Blade]

I just thought that, too, PZ. Damn, about time to consider an upgrade.. and geez, 4GB RAM means you have to have a 64bit OS. That is silly. But a better GPU is kind of unavoidable it seems, these days. :)

[PZ]

Yeah, I agree - my i7, main board and ram are still OK, but I'm thinking about retiring my GPU to one of my lower end computers and getting something new for my gaming rig.

[PZ]

Anyone getting this game?  Due to be released tomorrow.

[Fiach]

I will but not sure when mate, its getting avg of 8/10, due to its not being a major departure from SR 2 technically and the overboard antics arent sitting well with some reviewers for some reason. They think its more a case of style over substance, having a car chase with a jet works for me though :)

[PZ]

I think I'll wait too - I'm picking up Revelations tomorrow, and that is likely to keep my quite busy for a while.  ;)

[Binnatics]

I will wait too. I am curious, but let the die hards clear the path so that I get a clean, patched and running game, for maybe even a lower price ;)

[Fiach]

Good luck with Revelations, I still have only played the first part of AC 1, I have the second and third, plus one on the PSP, but havent got around to them yet :(

[Art Blade]

Just a matter of a long, a very long weekend, mate  :-()