Hello friends,
My recent struggles getting back into GTA V have brought me to finally buying a new operating system. Not yet sure if it will help me overcome my login issues with the best game ever, but so far I like it a lot. Makes everything easy, seamingly. And it looks good.
I bought the OEM home version (64bit) because I am not planning on renewing my system within 4 years from now. Better save the money with the OEM version because there will probably something newer by the time I plan to update again.
What I like is the connection between logging in to your system and your email (microsoft account). What I don't like is all the sharing questions at startup. It shows how this OS is adapted to the laptop-you-carry-everywhere-being-online-forever-thingy. A bit too hipster to my taste. BUT: I can easily choose not to share any data about my whereabouts as I desire ^-^
What I also like is the plug 'n playability of the system. I hardly had to install drivers because windows is taking care of most of that s#!t. Nice :)
The visual appearance is much more desktop as I feared for, so: so far so good, I'm happy :)
Enjoy, BinnZ
W10 is my favorite OS to date, and have put it on all my PCs that can run it. My gaming rig has a SSD, so it starts just as fast as a tablet, and much faster than W7 did.
Like you, I had no problem with drivers, and everything runs smoother and faster.
Nice to hear good things about W10.
The main thing that puts me off getting a new OS is the thought of reinstalling all my games and graphics programs and copying all my graphics files back over :-\\ I've got a shipload of them.
I know I'll have to one day, but I hate the thought of doing it.
I don't upgrade any OS, plain and simple. When the time comes to get a new system, I'll install Win10 fresh.
same here, D_B. Get a system and let it do its job until it croaks. Only then get what is in fashion.
I think in upgrades, don't want to buy a new system when the only thing failing is software. Glad I did this time:
[smg id=8352 type=preview align=center caption="The Flying Dutchman"]
Yes, that is my new expensive yacht 8)
[smg id=8353 type=preview align=center caption="Hot Tub"]
[smg id=8354 type=preview align=center caption="Posh BinnZ"]
[smg id=8355 type=preview align=center caption="The Flying Dutchman at night"]
I Looooove W10 :-D :-D :)
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on December 17, 2015, 07:47:20 AM
I don't upgrade any OS, plain and simple. When the time comes to get a new system, I'll install Win10 fresh.
I formerly had the same philosophy, and ever since Windows 2.1 have regularly reinstalled the OS because the performance went south for no apparent reason. Until W10, I've not had a positive upgrade experience. Of course, my machines were running W8.1, so that might be the difference, but in any case everything is faster, more efficient, uses less power (as evidenced by my GPU and CPU monitor apps)
Even though just an OS upgrade, all 3 machines feel brand new
PZ, when you upgraded, did it automatically transfer over all your installed programs? Does everything w@&k?
If you detect a note of disbelief in my words, that's because I don't believe it, as something has to mess up.
That's the rub, D_B, some programs won't run in W10 and those are automatically uninstalled. Oddly enough, MS Office did not survive, and I had to install it. Everything on my gaming rig migrated beautifully, even the games. Started with 8.1 on all the rigs. I did have a driver problem on one of the Surface Pros - it somehow lost the sound driver (driver was listed but no sound). The fix for these driver issues are easy - uninstall the driver in the device manager then scan for hardware changes and all was fixed. Once everything settled down, the OS works perfectly.
It almost feels like you did a reinstall as far as some programs are concerned and an upgrade as far as others, if that makes sense.
PZ, do they just disappear off of your computer or does it move the uninstalled programs to a hold file for you to reinstall them in an updated version?
I've got some really old stuff on my system that I'd hate to have vanish into the abyss with no retrial.
The way I understand how Win10 installs, is it creates a completely new install and then migrates stuff into it, as much as possible. I still don't feel like making the leap, especially at home on my slow connection, a five minute download for you is two or three hours for me.
I think D_B is correct - it appears to be a new install with some of your old stuff there. However, the install creates a folder which is said to allow you to revert back to your old system
It is a crap shoot really - I have old software (like FRAPS) that migrated perfectly, yet Office 2013 did not, and I had to reinstall
isn't it amazing that so called third party software programmers know better how to do it than Microsoft themselves.
I could imagine a very short conversation that starts like, "here, let me show you how your product works.." :-()
I plugged in my printer today for the first time since Vista. Win detected it, downloaded something and a few seconds (really less than a minute) I could print. That has never happened to me before. :-X :)
My custom build with Win7 does that for me and has continued to do that through two different HP printers all without a hiccough.
Oddly enough Mrs. mandru's HP laptop with Vista has to have the HP printer's drivers reinstalled from disc to remind the two units how to shake hands with each other every time she needs to print something.
Mrs. Mandrus experience is kind of like mine, having had to deal with vista for 6 years.
I was afraid that I would not like the new desktop, but to be honest it is quite like I am used to. The difference is that a lot of programs have their one-touch tiles in the popup menu that gives instant access.
I can profit of it, while I can easily avoid it too. Perfect.
The only thing I noticed is that the web pages loaded a little slow in firefox when they had complex images. But that seems of the past too.
I suspected winwos from not providing excellent support to a 'second' web browser program next to their new Ms Edge. That seems to be the main, most integrated web surf 'n search engine now.
But so far so good :)
:-X :)
I hated Vista and it is still on my old gaming rig - I'd need to purchase W7 or 8.1 and install over Vista before I could upgrade to W10 - might do it one of these days
On an aside, if anyone needs to replace an old laptop with a new one, I cannot recommend the Surface Pro 3 and 4 highly enough. Careful though, MS produces a Surface, which uses an atom processor rather than the i5 or i7
I'm happy with Windows 10 (the touch-like UI from Win 8.1 was an annoyance and the pearl menu would pop in when browsing on the web ::)) My primary reason to upgrade was DirectX 12, native mGPU support and more intelligent use of the CPU is a must-have for future gaming.
Gea I read about the benefits of dx12. Seems like the new dx isn't focussed on the graphics itself this time but more to the use of the hardware. It probably means the biggest improvements will be noted on older hardware, since there's more to win with these new ways of using CPU power. When games start using it, that is 😛
Well, my gaming rig started out with 8.1 and the stability, interface, and performance have notably improved with 10
Binn, what's that thing at the end of your post? ????
Seems to be an emoticon from a Samsung phone. I guess Binn typed his post on his mobile ;)
Close, GKID! It is an emoticon from my mobile indeed, but it's an iPhone. I guess it only shows corrector if you use a mobile? I forgot to use the smileys on site :-D
Oh I see :) Yes, the emoti shows correct when browsing this site on a mobile ;)
:-D
I got a magnifying glass out to try to see what was inside the square :-()
:-D
It's good to know my rig even though it's been invasively key loggered and Trojaned by Windows is still Apple proof. ;)
Edit: corrected "goo" to good :D
:) :-X
:laugh:
I had an old box at w@&k that I.T. was replacing because the hardware was so old - kept it and installed Ubuntu to act as a music server - made good use of old technology. Might do similar at home to be able to do things MS won't harvest, just because.
Quote...just because.
Indeed. :-X
I'll have to get W10 64bit now, hopefully on Monday.
Reason: my old pc was suddenly croaking (more precisely, the gfx card) and it would overheat all the time, causing system halts. It was always operating at a rather high temperature so I thought I'd buy a new PC. Done that today. They took in my old rig for recycling. I had had the HD and the SSD removed from my old rig and had them installed in my new one, additionally to the disks the new one already had. Well, it came without an OS. Not a problem I thought and went home to set it up.
Unfortunately my w7 ultimate 64bit has vanished. I searched every corner and the attic, nothing. Must have thrown it away by accident.. you know, it was a system builder version that comes in a white cardboard wrapped around a DVD jewel case. Easy to miss what it is.
I found many of my previous versions. w95, w98, xp, w7 ultimate 32bit. So I installed w7 32.
Only GTA V requires a 64-bit OS..
:D :D :D
At least the new PC is not so likely to overheat.
I think the rig is quite OK (http://www.openworldgames.org/owg/forums/index.php?topic=1453.msg78535#msg78535)
I think you're going to like 10 :)
Yep - W10 worls really well for me, and because it is installed on an SSD, it boots just about as fast as my tablet :-X
I wonder if W10 will automatically sense your 64-bit processor and install the proper version
nope, you need to decide first and install later. See, a 32bit version does w@&k on 64bit hardware but not the other way around.
Indeed; I bought on purpose the 64bit version, it's written on the disc. I didn't even get the 32 bit version, which I used to get when I bought win vista. But I wonder what will happen if you upgrade from a 32 bit Win 7 configuration and decide you want to have 64... wil Windows let you decide to upgrade to the 64? ????
I just finished doing that.
I still had my German windows 7 ultimate 32 bit which I installed.
I decided to take on Microsoft's offer to upgrade to w10 (which recognised and kept the German language despite the English language pack and the according changes which I had made so I would have a somewhat English OS, it kept the 32 bit and thanks to "ultimate" turned it into W10pro)
After the w10 pro 32bit upgrade I activated it (it is bound to my hardware on which my old w7 was activated hence no registration keys needed and activation was done automatically when I checked it)
I already had downloaded a so called MediaCreationTool from MS which I started in order to create an installation device (on a flash drive) for a fresh install
that MediaCreationTool asked me which language I wanted (YAY, English please) and which type of w10 I wanted (funny enough, I had windows 10 and other options which were --I believe-- a notebook version because it had "N" as suffix and I think a home premium version. Of course I chose w10 without suffix and later it turned out to be indeed a pro version) and the device to install it on (DVD or flash drive, I used the latter one)
Didn't take long and I had an installation flash drive ready for a clean install.
I booted from the flash drive, deleted the partitions on the new SSD on which my old w7/32 and old w10/32 used to be and began installing on that very SSD again. Hehe, got to be a record, three times a new OS within two days. :-()
And man was I happy to see that the whole dialogue was already in English and it was a rather quick process to get my w10pro/64 started.
I am typing this from that OS using my dear firefox (sod the new Edge)
and just like that, I saved probably 300 €. :-D
Quote from: PZ on January 03, 2016, 10:02:53 AM
Yep - W10 worls really well for me, and because it is installed on an SSD, it boots just about as fast as my tablet
I too have it on an SSD but the boot speed is not only determined by that -- the motherboard and the drive setup (as in, is it a RAID setup or some such) plays quite a significant role, too. My old rig already had its OS on an SSD and after the mobo had finished its loooong boot sequence including the RAID check, the OS would load quickly. Still, it took about 45 seconds total until the desktop would appear, thanks to the mobo.
Now.. with the new rig.. oh boy, that is fast. Push power on, and it feels as if it took just a few seconds until I can see the desktop. Nice :-D
Cool :-X
i was comparing boot speed W8.1 v W10 on the same pc, and W10 was much faster ^-^
Nice workaround! Good thinking :)
Problem solved :-X
Time for a heist!! 8)
thanks :) and yes, we already did that :-()
Quote from: PZ on January 04, 2016, 09:21:24 AMi was comparing boot speed
OK, let's compare. My new rig.. performing a cold start (from power off state) it takes around 20 seconds until I can see the desktop. I think that it is quite fast. :)
Very fast indeed - 14 seconds to desktop from cold boot :-X
that is impressive :-X :)
Indeed - I've never had any Windows OS boot as fast. If the machine is not completely powered down, I'd swear that MS is keeping the OS running in the background :-()
My prior system (my first i7 rig) that was custom built by IBuyPower when it first arrived could go from a cold start to my being able to open a browser and start surfing in under 10 seconds but Windows updates and the creeping functionality that comes with their intruding by adding services and processes running in the background quickly stomped the snot out of that. I've never seen that kind of boot up speed since. :(
Quote from: Art Blade on January 07, 2016, 11:07:04 AM
(from power off state) it takes around 20 seconds until I can see the desktop.
I tried again today and I didn't have to wait for the log-in screen.
16 seconds. :)
All I can say is that Windows has come a long way since the old days when I could start the machine, go get a cup of coffee, and it would just be at the login screen. I also love the way the PIN allows you to very quickly get to the desktop without having to type in the full password.
I chose not to use a PIN, because I was afraid to forget it, or mix it with my bank card PIN. I have my, quite long, email password instead, which is in a way annoying. On the other hand, I've become quite good at hammering it onto my keyboard :-()
Sounds reasonable - just in case you might want to try it one of these days, the good thing is that if you forget your PIN, you can log in with your regular credentials and then reset the PIN.
Yesterday I had my first problem with 10. I started up my PC and after the first windows logo, usually appears the picture with the logon screen. IF there's updates to be configured a light-blue screen will appear with the message that windows is configuring update # and a %. In this case, I got that same blue screen, with the 5 circling windows balls as in "I'm working" without any farther notice. That went on forever. Well, at least for 15 minutes, without any change. So I decided to reboot. After reboot the same blue screen. WTF ???
I checked if I can do other commands, and luckily ctrl+alt+del worked. I got to some startup screen, only without the ability to logon. I could choose to reboot, which I did, and then Windows started normal again. I've no idea what this could have caused, but I was glad it was over. This all happened just at the time when I had decided to do my tax return... how fascinating :-D
isn't windows going a tad too far when it even starts to find excuses for you? :-D
Strange indeed. I had something similar a week or so ago after I had the network cable unplugged for a couple of weeks. Evidently W10 was becoming sicker by the day so I let it do it's updates and all was well again. It looks like the OS is looking for updates each time you log in, and if offline for too long, the list of updates is lengthy.
This is not your issue, but it is interesting to experience snippets of what goes on behind the scenes. In any case, I still like it more than any other OS I have used (of the MS variety)
I think MS takes too much control, though
Isn't that what every large business really wants? Complete control over the market, right ????
Well, I agree on that PZ, Win 10 is much better than before. By the way, do you have the professional edition or the home? I have the home edition, which means it will automatically update when there's an update. I read somewhere that Windows Home edition is like a beta-testing panel for the professional users. They can choose to update later, after possible bugs have been fixed >:(
Gkid, of course they want to rule the world and control everything. But most customers also want ease of access and aren't really smart enough to learn what's going on behind the touchpad. :-D
I got the professional version. There are several options how to get your updates but it still isn't like it used to be. You cannot handpick your stuff but instead, it's actually the other way around than what you heard Binnatics, you can get early access to upcoming retail versions so you can develop your software in order to get it done before the updates go live. Also, you can postpone some updates if you're a company that wants to stick to versions that won't update fast enough for the new windows updates -- have them update the software and then use the new windows updates. So, not as it used to be.
I've the home version, and W10 updates automatically whether you want it to or not. The only way around that is to spoof the OS into thinking it has already updated. I did that for a while, but decided to go back to vanilla and use the Godmode trick to change things the way I like them.
I'm satisfied now, after uninstalling most of the junk apps MS has built into the OS, and minimizing what is sent online. Now my fan in the SP never runs anymore even though it has the i7 processor in that sleek form factor.
I still use Win10 but enjoy my time on Ubuntu. ;)
As noninvasive as Ubuntu is I'm noticing that almost every other day there tends to be updates but they are small and quick to install and either add functionality to non-running background utilities (like the office suite) or the antivirus and malware blocker definitions.
No doubt that Ubuntu is more efficient that anything MS. I have an old dog PC that can't run Windows any longer, but I converted it to Ubuntu and now use it as my music server at w@&k. Never fails, and I never do updates.
mandru, Pz, are you guys using MS Office software with Ubuntu?
I'm thinking of converting my "old" Vista running pc to Ubuntu mainly for movie downloads and such but would still need to use it as a backup in case my main pc goes on the blink.
It used to be my main pc until I built my new pc with Win 7 and MS Office 2007,
so it's up to date with all the latest related drivers and software
I have no knowledge/experience of the Open Source equivalent to MS Office software
As far as I know, the only way you can run MS Office is via their web interface (which sucks). Here's a link to open source Office replacements for Ubuntu - might be worth a look
http://www.ubuntufree.com/top-5-microsoft-word-alternatives-on-ubuntu-14-04-and-14-10/ (http://www.ubuntufree.com/top-5-microsoft-word-alternatives-on-ubuntu-14-04-and-14-10/)
Thanks PZ, yes I'm aware that attempting to run MS Office on Ubuntu OS won't w@&k, I had a quick look on the link you provided, I'll have to spend some time on their site to see if and what they have as replacement for Exel and Outlook
Same for me. My Ubuntu install arrived with a non-Win office suit that I've not really spent time exploring yet.