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Title: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 25, 2011, 06:06:03 PM
YEEAAHH!! Finally!

I've downloaded the game as soon as it was available on STEAM (November 22nd) but only managed to get a taste of it today (friday!!!)!
My first thought is: WOW... The game is amazing!!!!!!

To begin with - OPEN WORLD... but let's do first things first!

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You start playing as... Catwoman (what a character, what a character  :angel: ) in a very short sequence. You then play a very short tutorial as Bruce Wayne, emprisioned in Arkham City and escaping from the Tiger Guards. The usual, how-to-run, how-to-climb-, how-to-punch routine. Soon enoughh you leave the boring billionaire life behind to become the Bat and as soon as you do that you are free to roam! I must say that right from start Batman's moves feels far better than in Arkham Asylum. He is faster, more agile and full of new moves  >:D

It really feels like a sequel... Fighting is much more fluid and chaining punches, kicks and throws together seems easier. Batman now can face more opponents at a time and you are even thrown on large groups of enemies - 10 or 15 - right from start!!! Getting them down is also more rewarding as you see more diversity in B-man's stunts... a henchman threw a chair at me and with a single click I grabbed it in mid air and threw it back on him while facing six other guys. The knock outs also feels far more powerful! You can dive bomb on enemies very easily either from a ledge or while gliding and once you get him, he's history!!  8) You can also skip fighting and just navigate gliding, grappling and running through rooftops as you please!

As soon as I got the freedom to choose how to get to my next objective - free Catwoman at the Court House - I went to the opposite side to see how open world it is. Batman can navigate smoothly through rooftops, glide using his cape and grapple to almost every ledge and at greater distances... thre's no restrictions to where you want to go and how to get there... well, maybe some spots are not available but I felt pretty free to go wherever I felt like going so far!!

Opening the map didn't impressed me though  :-( ... I was expecting Assassins Creed-like maps when thinking in area... Arkham City doesn't feel like 5 time bigger than Arkham Asylum... but still not a small place at all and I don't know how much of the map will be revealed to me next, so I might be wrong here.

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The menus are pretty much like Arkham Asylum. Wayne Tech screen to upgrade gadgets, Profiles of all character unlocked available with nice details of thei bio and first appearance in the original comic books, 3d trophies etc... as good as always - I already met the Penguin at the very start and his british accent is very nice!!

Well... I'll go back to Arkham now and bring more screenies and impressions in a minute!  >:D


Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 25, 2011, 08:22:32 PM
Open world sure sounds good!  Looking forward to further impressions.  ;)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on November 25, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
Open blouse world, too, eh?  :-()
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 25, 2011, 08:59:11 PM
I've now played a bit further into the story and also some challenges too, with both Batman and Catwoman.  8)

The story goes as Batman tries to find out why Dr. Hugo Strange is in Arkham City and what Catwoman has to do with it... to be honest, the underlying story is a bit blury to me. I'm a guy who likes to play a game with a good plot but I'm more concerned with action and graphics and all that stuff so the fact that the plot is not too bright or, at least, not too clear yet, is not a problem at all!!!!  ;)

I reached a point where I meet Harley Quinn (Joker's sexy sidekick) after saving Selina Kyle's (Catwoman) life twice... sort of... she's the kind of girl who knows how to take care of herself. During the first few missions I also got sidetracked doing some training missions where I have to glide and plunge over some bat-markers , kind of a checkpoint race, in order to unlock upgrades. They are spread over the area available so far and I can choose which trainning mission I want to do and in which order to do it so it's not mandatory but rather a bonus to get extras. They are pretty cool and the ones I finished took place in a kind of port area with cranes and a freaky abandoned amusement park sort of place... very cool and open wide! Upon completion I got a few upgrades points I could choose how to spend.

After getting the upgrades that allows me to build combos faster (so my moves deliver more and more damage as I build more and more combo points) I got a wicked upgrade... it allows me to summon a whole bunch of bats during a fight to stun all henchmen around me for a while... the look of it is pretty cool and quite helpful during fightsl!!!  >:D

On roaming around I found some political prisioners lying around with whom I could interact... just a phrase or two but something to help building up the story I guess... nothing too important so far. Also I found some public phones ringing and by picking one up I had Mr. Szasz over talking.. err.. threatening me... don't know what those phone calls do but whatever, leave a message!  ;D

The challenges... Binnatics, that's for you... the challenges are there just like in Arkham Asylum... I finished one with Batman and one with Catwoman as I only have one challenge unlocked to play with. They are the same as always... four rounds of enemies increasing in number and difficulty. Free flow, combos, perfect bonus... al the same... and I think there are far more challnges to play this time around, mate!! Catwoman fighting is a complete different story. You can do basic moves with the same basic controls but as far as I can tell you're gonna have to learn to play as her in order to get a perfect score! 8)

Anyway... more to come tomorrow!!!
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 25, 2011, 09:01:22 PM
Sounds like you're having a great time, JRD!   ;)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 25, 2011, 09:07:32 PM
I am  :)

Let's see how the rest of the game plays... hopefully more freedom to play and extras to collect...  I read enemies do respawn so you won't end up on a desert place like in B:AA!!
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 25, 2011, 09:10:34 PM
There is something to be said for respawn - it keeps things interesting if not on too fast a cycle.
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on November 26, 2011, 01:17:22 AM
I've heard its a great game, but that you accumulate so many combos/actions that it can get confusing sometimes as to which controller buttons to press.

Apparently there are catwoman missions that are only available if you buy the game "new" (dlc I think) with a code in the box. Its to prevent piracy/second hand sales, things like this put me off games that incorporate it, I tend to wait until they are in the bargain bin, but it seems to be a pretty cool game from what you are saying so far JRD, maybe Santa will do the right thing, 'cos I've been such a good boy....honest  >:D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 26, 2011, 04:03:45 AM
You upgrade not only gadgets but also combos to be used during fights so yes, it might get a bit confusing at times. But you can always get to a challenge map and practice your moves against four waves of henchmen. I also saw a "start tutorial" button in the upgrades area so I think you can get the basics on how to use it once you upgrade.

As for DLC it was pretty frustrating not to be able to play as Joker in B:AA, it was a PS3 exclusive. You can play the maps with Batman though but this is not the same. In B:AC there are a variety of extras and DLC but I really don't want to go much into it. You can choose different outfits to use like the one used in the movies, the one in the classic TV show from the 60's (Bman is not as chubby as Adam West though  8-X ) etc... I don't know what I got by pre ordering my copy at STEAM... will check in a minute! :-()

If you like 3rd person adventure / fighting games where you must learn the controls instead of just smashing the buttons then you are in for a treat with B:AC!!!  >:D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 26, 2011, 08:55:56 AM
This is the map of Arkham City

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It is an area of Gotham City transformed into an open air prison so this is not supposed to be a big city anyway. The area in the middle is restricted so far so I'm guessing something will happen there towards the end.

I'm about 4% complete only but found my first boss...

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Missing an arm but his other hand make up for it with this hammer of his. Not too hard to put down though, just like in other bosses, he has a group of henchmen with him... get rid of them keeping distance from the big bad guy and then deal with him alone. I got a gadged that fires electrical charges so I could stun him from a safe distance and then get closer and personal!

After finishing him, a cutscene and now I'm playing as Catwoman.

Spoiler
Batman is made prisioner by the Joker after this mini boss and Catwoman will free him somehow! Very cool... you get to play different characters to get the story going.  8)


Oh, and Harley Quinn  :angel:

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Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 26, 2011, 05:28:01 PM
Cool - looks like an AC map  :-X
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 26, 2011, 09:01:49 PM
Well, almost 10hrs of gameplay so far (8 today) and I have e good feel of the game... it is not true open world but much more enjoyable than the first game. The story is pretty linear and you do missions one by one in the right sequence. Outdoor is where you do small missions like disable signal jammers so you can hack security doors, investigate crime scenes and gather clues that will lead you to some kind of building/facility to face main characters like Joker, Penguin, Mr. Freeze etc. Indoors is pretty much like B:AA... either punch a whole lot of henchmen outnumbered 15 to 1 or, if they are armed, sneak in and take them out one by one.

Once indoor there's not much to choose from, it's a linear, corridor adventure game with great fights. Outdoor is where the game presents a huge difference. The whole mechanics is different... how you tackle your objectives is very different and you have a few kinds of side missions:
- find out Titan containers and destroy them
- Help political prisioners being attacked by Black Gate prisioners / Arkham inmates
- Investigate crime scenes to lead to a serial killer at loose
- Augumented Reality trainings (gliding)
- Riddler's trophies
I can say it will last for a good ammount of time and I'm having a great time so far... up to expectations!!  8)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 27, 2011, 08:52:46 AM
Play as catwoman is amazing... just like Batman, she can navigate smoothly through Gotham but with her own style. She uses a whip to swing around and her feline claws to grab the walls and climb up. She can also walk upside down on some roofs being deadly to approach enemies from behind. Also she can lock on to an unsuspecting enemy when on a ledge and fall over him with her claws like Batman does with his glide kick!!

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On her part of the story she goes after Poison Ivy to convince her to help her in doing something we are not aware yet! Her part is quite small but very nice to play... very different fighting makes her an outstanding character.

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BAck on the Batman side... gliding through Gotham is as amazing as it is pleasant... his gliding is very nicely designed so you are not just gliding around but can dive to get speed and gain more altitude, grapple to other ledges and use the momentum to launch yourself higher and faster...  >:D

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I've now reached my first serious boss...Solomon Grundy (born on a monday)... fighting bosses is far more forgiving than in B:AA both because they made them a bit easier and also because I'm well used to the controls as I finished Arkham Asylum not long ago... it makes for less frustration and more fun. I'm playing on normal difficulty so if it doesn't present a challenge to me I can always start a new game on hard. I also read on the official forum that once you finish the game on normal you get a "New game plus" meaning you can start a new game with all your gadgets und upgrades and the enemies will be a bit harder and some features will be tuned off (like the animation on an enemie's head showing he is about to attack)! I will certainly have another playthrough or maybe two at least... nice replay value here.  8)

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Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on November 27, 2011, 04:24:50 PM
Apart from the batman stuff which I don't like, the graphics look great.  :-X
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on November 27, 2011, 11:50:09 PM
Quote from: Art Blade on November 27, 2011, 04:24:50 PM
Apart from the batman stuff which I don't like, the graphics look great.  :-X

I was looking at the specs, something like an 18gig install....ouch. But you can see why.
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: PZ on November 28, 2011, 09:06:58 AM
Indeed - fantastic graphics!
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on November 28, 2011, 09:28:50 AM
@ ID's Rage & non-repetitive 64meg-graphics: Eat your heart out.  >:D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: spaceboy on November 28, 2011, 10:50:34 AM
glad you're enjoying it JRD - I really like Arkham City.  I do need to get back to it myself, though I've seen most of what I haven't played by watching my son play.  Very fun game.
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on November 28, 2011, 04:04:50 PM
Soon AC:R will be available to play at STEAM - they even let me download it so I can start playing immediately... but NOT BEFORE... how sweet  :D >:(( - and I'll have Brotherhood to finish, JC2 to finish, B:AC to finish and AC:R to start and finish... playing as little as I'm playing lately, it should keep me busy for the whole 2012!!  ????

Oh wait... there's FC3 coming too..........  ???
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on November 29, 2011, 01:28:21 AM
From what I can gather, devs are looking more at Steam as a way to stop piracy, insofar as, even if you buy a game disc in a shop, you essentially have to unlock it via Steam, I was annoyed when it was only Valve games (HL2), that that sounds really annoying.

I think (dunno if I misunderstood) that the game unlocks when connected to steam and you d/l the game from steam as opposed to it being on the disc. Maybe I wasnt paying attention as I tend to get games on consoles, (unless its something like Skyrim, where mods will be released), so I just glanced through the PC article.
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on December 04, 2011, 09:55:18 AM
Went on after dealing with Solomon Grundy... big, dumb and easy, not really a troublesome boss...  8) .

After having a word with Grundy and the Penguin Batman goes after Mr. Freeze who has a cure for a venon the Joker injected on him. Tuirns out he hasn't it...  :D but somehow knows the enzime behind the venon so Batman can try and find a way to get a sample of that enzime to fix a cure... the man carrying the enzime on his very blood is an old friend of the Bat... Râ's Al Ghul... a man who knows Bruce wayne is the Bat and whose daughter - Thalia - has a major crush on Batman.

Here's Thalia (man... what's with all those hot girls on Batman!!!  :angel:)

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The scenario fighting Thalia's father, Râ's.... so much for an in law!  ::)

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And Batman, Thalia and Râ's - with the sword about to slice his throat - having a family meeting

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Dealing with Râ's wasn't also hard... I had to go three or four times against him to figure out what I had to do and actually do it, but it wasn't frustrating at all... bosses are way more fun to deal with this time around  8)

So far (I'm on 14% of the game) Arkham City is top notch... great action, balanced with open worldness, side quests, nice atmosphere, good attention to details (you can go then Crime Alley, where Thomas and Martha Wayne were murdered in front of young Bruce, and find a chalk mark on the floor with roses close to it. By pressing a button Batman will pay tribute to the palce where his parents were killed  :-X ). Regular enemies are pretty diverse and more challenging than Arkham Asylum which adds for great fun while playing.... the respawning and side quests are also increasing the lifespan of this game!!!!

I can have some fun if I'm not on a mood to go on with the main story and  Gotham is a very nice place, at least the Arkham part, of course, very well planned and with loads of things to do... great game!  :-X


Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 04, 2011, 10:50:37 AM
I was tempted to buy it second hand today for 360, but its only on one disc (6 gigs), think I'll wait for the PC version to drop in price, at 18 gigs, it probably looks much better.
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on December 04, 2011, 01:17:28 PM
For the PC those  18 gigs are comprised of 6 gigs gfx, 12 gigs game loader. And by the time you get it, it will come with an additional 10 gigs patches.  :-D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 04, 2011, 02:56:56 PM
LOL, you're probably right :)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on December 10, 2011, 09:39:51 AM
After facing Ra's Al Ghul I had to go back to the GC Police Dept to deliver Mr. Freeze a sample of Ra's blood so he can create a serum that will neutralize the effects of the toxin the Joker injected on my blood.

Mr. Freeze, obviously, is not willing to just help me so I now have to persuade him to do so. It is a very nice boss... he learns all your tactics once you hit him so you cannot attack twice the same way!!!

Man, this is going to give me some trouble!  8)

The game is delivering a great experience... specially if compared to the previous game... much more freedom, much more challenging. Not only bosses are more sophisticated but also regular enemies. To get into the GCPD building I had to put down six of the Joker's henchmen and they put up a real fight this time. I can face 15 regular henchmen at once and not be hit by a sigle punch, but not those six! One of them is like a "special" henchman you have to stun with a special move before hitting, two others are using makeshift shields that block most of my attack as well as provide a strong weapon in their hands... and with three other regular henchmen those guys were a tough fight!! Soon there will be regular guys plus special guys plus shielded guys plus knives guys plus rifle guys plus whatever they come up with :-X
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: spaceboy on December 10, 2011, 07:46:39 PM
JRD - I just did that same part of the game and couldn't believe how much trouble I was having getting through that bunch outside of the GCPD.  After a couple botched attempts just dropping in and fighting I realized I needed to be smarter - I am the Batman afterall! 

I wound up doing a drop attack from above on one guy, did a ground takedown then grappled the heck out of there.  This made the rest scatter and I was able to systematically take them down, but it required a bit of planning still because they travelled in pairs and covered each other well.  The Freeze fight was cool too I thought.
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on December 10, 2011, 09:54:39 PM
I fought them face to face but putting some space between us and using the teaser gun to thin out the crowd... I could then get another guy till I had only the shielded henchmen and that other punch blocking clown... then I isolated them and kept doing one by one... phew!  :lamp:

Mr. Freeze was cool (no pun intended  ::) )... I hid underneath the shafts and attacked from there, sneaked in from behind, used explosive gel on the ground and on another thin wall and also used the teaser gun on one generator to fry him so I got my hits!!

The game is amazing... I'm having a blast interrogating informants, solving Riddler's enigma's, chasing Deadshot's trail, AR trainings and also some challenge maps! Catwoman is fantastic... I wish I had more to play as her in the main story!
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 11, 2011, 04:32:08 AM
Quote from: JRD on December 10, 2011, 09:39:51 AM


Mr. Freeze, obviously, is not willing to just help me so I now have to persuade him to do so. It is a very nice boss... he learns all your tactics once you hit him so you cannot attack twice the same way!!!

Man, this is going to give me some trouble!  8)


It reminds me a little of a boss in Metal Gear Solid on the PS one. He could "read your mind" and anticipate your controller inputs, the trick was to plug your controller into the second socket, not the first one.

The more you talk about this game, the more I want to play it, it seems like what I disliked about the first game is rectified in this one  :-X
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on December 11, 2011, 06:06:42 AM
They polished this game a lot, that's for sure. The bosses are not so arcade like, well, maybe Ra's and Solomon were, but overall the fights are more fun and less frustrating.

Enemies are also more diversified so you are always facing a challenge when engaging henchmen. Gotham is very well designed with a dark atmosphere, with several different locations, nice textures and tailored for Batman (and Catwoman) to roam easily grappling and gliding!

If you are not on the mood to follow the mais story line you have lots of side missions to do. Enemies respawn add a lot of fun to the game so you never feel on an empty place like in Asylum, besides, being outdoor makes more sense to a Batman game.  :-X

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A few more images...

Some of the visuals of Gotham. Note the clean HUD... all you see is a compass pointing to your objectives. As you engage in fighting the health/armor meter will be automatically displayed on the top left corner. As you get options like gliding, hanging upside down etc they'll be displayed on the right corner, selection of gadgets shown on the bottom left corner but everything on display fades smootlhy as you don't need all that info. The combat moves also are not always showing ""click that button NOW". You can switch them on/off once you master the controls so it won't be in front of your eyes during fights!


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You can set a waypoint on the map and it'll show as the batsignal over the place!  :-X


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You'll see some henchmen glowing green, these are the Riddler's informants. Beat all henchmen and save him for last. Once all other guys are down you can interrogate him and some Riddler's secrets will be revealed on the map. On this image you can see the health/armor on the top left corner meter as I was finishing a fight. On the bottom left corner is the gadget I had selected at that time. You have several new gadgets... smoke pellets, teaser gun, a weapon neutralizer you can use to disable an enemy's rifle without him noticing (don't ask me how it works though  ::) )


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Some bad guys!!

Mr. Freeze


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Râ's Al Ghul


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The Joker


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Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 14, 2011, 05:45:19 AM
Got this today for 360, but technically I cant play it until xmas, but I opened it to make sure I got the DLC. It contained Robin and Catwoman DLC, but there was no manual, just an insert with an advert for some online game, that looked kinda like City of Heroes. The box was sealed (it has a 3D hologram effect on the cover) and the DLC worked, but no manual.

Did you get a manual JRD?
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: spaceboy on December 14, 2011, 06:29:02 AM
No manual for me either.  Sounds like a good deal with the extra Robin DLC which did not come in my version (only the code for Catwoman).  There is also Nightwing DLC.  I think the Robin and Nightwing standalone DLC is too steeply priced for what you get, so getting Robin for free is cool.  It is just challenge maps though, no single player, which is what makes Catwoman awesome is roaming the city as her AND having challenge maps.
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 14, 2011, 07:13:48 AM
Damn, if I'd known it was just challenge maps (too lazy to read), for Robin, I wouldnt have bothered with the code. I just saw play as Robin.

I have some DLC codes for Drakes Deception I got with the collector edition, I forget if I used them, I remember there was no proper description on them, so I was hesitant to use them at the time, if you want I can root them out for you to try, as I wont be using them, maybe some were just for this market. Let me know and I can pm them to you later if needed :)

...or anyone else if space doesnt need em. :)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: spaceboy on December 14, 2011, 11:38:26 AM
Thanks Fiach, but assuming they are MP related I'll pass.  I actually got some codes for MP that I haven't used yet either, I only just tried UC3 MP one night...it's decently fun all right but I've got lots of other game content to playthrough so my time for it is limited.  I do appreciate the offer though!
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 14, 2011, 12:26:41 PM
No problem, It didnt say on two of them what they were for, but I guess MP makes sense :)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on December 14, 2011, 01:19:16 PM
@Ficah
I have the STEAM version so if it came with a manual it is just a digital copy I can access via STEAM but to be honest I didn't even bother checking if there is one. My copy came with the Catwoman DLC already activated so I didn't have to look for a code.

As for Robin, if you like playing the challenge maps, having a third character can extend your fun a lot as Robin has his own moves, gadgets and animations, just like Catwoman...  8) . STEAM is charging R$6,99 for each DLC (Nightwing or Robin)

The few moments I could free roam with Catwoman were awesome, great fun and some collectables only she can reach!  :-X

@space
I'd say that what makes Catwoman awesome is her.............. style.  :angel:  >:D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 14, 2011, 04:19:09 PM
Quote from: JRD on December 14, 2011, 01:19:16 PM
@Ficah
STEAM is charging R$6,99 for each DLC (Nightwing or Robin)

LOL, just goes to show what I know about Batman, I had to google Nightwing (still no wiser), to find out he is (possibly) a character from Planet Krypton (apparently a couple of people have donned the costume), I dont remember Superman in the Batman series, but my only knowledge is the old Adam West TV series and the new movies post Jack Nicholsen/Michael Keaton.

So I'm not too pushed about the character really (definately not $7 worth of pushed :)).

Thanks mate :)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: spaceboy on December 15, 2011, 09:52:29 AM
I didn't know who Nightwing is either, and yeah it doesn't appear to be a simple answer.  I know they probably made the coolest Robin ever, but that isn't saying much.  I've got all I need challenge map-wise with the Bat and the Cat, unless the DLC gets much cheaper or bundled somehow.  It's not like I've even unlocked or played all the given challenge maps.

I did get the extra Catwoman outfits with the game (Long Halloween is a purple suit, and Animated is the animated Catwoman) both are pretty neat, but the Catwoman from the game is the best design.

Catwoman does have a sense of "style", her combat moves are awesome.  Many of her takedowns, especially her silent and ground attacks aren't a bad way to go I'd say.  I think I'm near the end, Batman has now infiltrated Wonder City and is going after Strange.  There is so much content and I'm not getting tired of it, I'll be revisiting this City for a long time I expect.
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 15, 2011, 11:34:01 AM
Thats good to hear, I'm nearly done with Saints Row, so its my next port of call :)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on December 15, 2011, 02:19:18 PM
As far as I know, the original Robin is called Dick Grayson, he grew up and decided to leave the dynamic duo to pursuit a solo career adopting the name of Nightwing.

The following pupil adopted by the Bat was a chap by the name of Jason Todd who was shot dead by the Joker on a special issue of the comic books. After I stop buying comic books there were several Robins, each with a story and fate but I didn't follow what is going on for ages.

My favorite Robin is a 14 years old girl called Carie Kelly... she appears in the must read Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller, a standalone story that takes place 10 years after Batman's last appearance... if you ever find this comic book somewhere, buy it, it's worth a read!

Back to the game... I'm having a blast with BAC. I'm getting back to the still mill to see the Joker... in the menu it says 57% complete of the main story. I really like how you can keep track of your progress... a percentage for the main story, a percentage for the Riddler trophies, a percentage for the AR trainning and so on... you know how far you went  and what's left to enjoy!  :-X

Fiach, just like in Borderlands, after you finish the main story you unlock something called New Game Plus, meaning you can start a new game with all your gadgets and upgrades and enemies also level up to match your status since the beginning!!!  :-X  >:D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: spaceboy on December 15, 2011, 03:35:01 PM
New Game Plus should be great.  I've been pretty good about doing some side missions and beating up thugs for no reason so I leveled up a lot of stuff (not all) for both the Bat and the Cat.  So it will be nice to start over but keeping those upgrades and getting the last few I still need.

I found the mill even harder to get into than the GCPD, there are more guys and spread out.  It's all about patience and timing.  Actually all encounters in this last part of the game are like that as they all have guns (mostly) and lots of shields or those electrical shockers.  You really need to use all your Bat-a$$ skills.  :-D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on December 15, 2011, 04:35:36 PM
Actually fighting those guys at GCPD made me feel such a wooss... there were just a handful of henchmen and I am the freaking bat for crying out loud!  >:((

Actually those encounters are designed to make you use all your tricks... special moves, gadgets, strategies... just punching, even if Asylum style, is not enough... they brought the game to the next level this time!  :-X  8)

I handled those guys at the mill pretty well... been mentalizing IamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBat
IamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBat
IamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBat
so much that I get to use all tricks I can during a fight... neutralize two weapons, isolate one enemy, freeze another one and drop in on another one and you can tackle five armed enemies quite fast  >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 15, 2011, 04:58:53 PM
Its amazing how people feel about NG+, I see on alot of forums, people refusing to buy a game if it has not got a NG+, or if a game ends....at the end....

I like NG+, especially if as in alot of games, you get the final upgrades and you only get to use them for 10 minutes, but it wouldnt stop me buying a game, as for people that whinge about a game ending at the end, I just find that so funny :)

I have 9 missions left to do in Saints Row 3, according to the stats, so thats not long I dont think.

I picked up War in the North today for a tenner (euro), I wouldnt have got the game but for the price and spaceboy's posts, it looks interesting, I'm just mentioning it spaceboy as it reminds me alot of Dungeon Siege III, so if you liked WITN, I think you might like DSIII, I enjoyed it alot anyway. If you did intend to buy it, I do recall that the camera was better in the console verisions than the PC version, so that is a point worth considering. :)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: spaceboy on December 15, 2011, 09:29:59 PM
I never played a game with NG+ (that I know of).  I have no strong feelings about it, but in a game like this it seems to fit.  Like you said Fiach, you wind up not getting to use those last upgrades for long sometimes.  As for games ending or not, it all depends on if it fits with the game I guess.  Assassin Creed games, inFamous, Batman, these kind of open world games keep going which is nice to complete side missions etc.  but other games just end (like good old FC2) which suited that game and it's story. 

I haven't completed WITN, I got to Rivendell and haven't got back to the game due to BF3, Batman, and Skyrim.  I will though soon because I did enjoy it.  The combat is much more fun than Skyrim, but of course it's a linear game basically.  If you like LOTR I think you'll like it.  I'll be interested to hear your thoughts having played more of those types of games.

btw, I just completed the story for Arkham City.  The credits are rolling.  What a great game, and lots more to do.  Though I may take a break now and hit up some of my other purchases.  Gotta spread the love!
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 16, 2011, 12:01:25 AM
So many games, so little time :)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 16, 2011, 02:39:34 AM
Gutted, BAC has a 360 save file bug, causing save files to disappear, I'm really afuckingnnoyed at this. WB dont even know whats causing it, let alone how to fix it.

http://www.technobuffalo.com/gaming/platform-gaming/batman-arkham-city-struck-with-save-file-disappearing-bug/ (http://www.technobuffalo.com/gaming/platform-gaming/batman-arkham-city-struck-with-save-file-disappearing-bug/)

Guess I'll be playing WITN as I cant return BAC, because I used the DLC codes.  :D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: spaceboy on December 16, 2011, 10:33:13 AM
hmm that 's a strange bug.  I wonder how widespread that really is though - things get blown up in the media as we all know.  What if after every session you make sure you copy the save file to USB?  I wonder when it is supposed to "goes missing".
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on December 16, 2011, 10:58:46 AM
Yes, you could save to a USB if you could be assed, but I couldnt be bothered, I'll wait until it's sorted.

Been playing WITN a bit, its a good game, I'm a bit annoyed with the fact I chose a Mage, but I spend most of my time going toe to toe with enemies as a melee character, thats just bad design, I see it has a NG plus as well, which is nice.

The spells dont look anything great so far, but tbh, I played LOTRO to lv 50 as a Loremaster and the spells kinda sucked there too, but its a Tolkien thing, they specifically wanted a muted kind of spell casting, as being more in keeping with the lore.

I think you should try Dungeon Siege III, the effects are pretty cool and theres a nice difference between the characters playstyles (Melee, Rifle, Mage). Also, Hunted : The Demons Forge is good, you can play as two characters, each have Ranged and Melee skills, but most people use the elf for ranged and the human for melee, its quite action orientated, people have described it as a Medieval CoD :)

But either way, yeah, I'm having a blast with WITN, I'll play it a few times, I kinda suck at finding the secrets though. I'm at a part where you meet the sons of Elrond and we fought against some enemies near a big crossbow thing and so far I have only found 1/4 secrets lol :)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on January 08, 2012, 11:42:42 AM
First impression here:
IamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBat
IamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBat
IamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBatIamtheBat
IamtheBatIamtheBat.... feelsgoodtobetheBatfeelsgoodtobetheBatfeelsgoodtobetheBatfeelsgoodtobetheBatfeelsgoodtobetheBatf
eelsgoodtobetheBatfeelsgoodtobetheBatfeelsgoodtobetheBatfeelsgoodtobetheBatfeelsgoodtobetheBatf
eelsgoodtobetheBatfeelsgoodtobetheBatfeelsgoodtobetheBatfeelsgoodtobetheBat!!!!! :-() :-() :-() :-() :-X




Edited by JRD... sentences were too long!!  ::)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on January 08, 2012, 12:04:14 PM
Okay, okay, well here's the first impression of Catwoman;
"I'm too sexy for my cat, too sexy for my cat
Too sexy by far
And I'm too sexy for my hat
Too sexy for my hat, what do you think about that?"

"But hey, why can't I get a wetsuit???"  8-X
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on January 08, 2012, 12:14:15 PM
I'm envying the henchmen who get my silent takedown :-D

prrrr, prrrr  8-X
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: PZ on January 08, 2012, 01:23:44 PM
 :-X :laugh:
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on January 08, 2012, 01:44:27 PM
...Holy mother... Am I really watching this cutscene AGAIN?? I thought I used to skip these before ????
Wow, you guys think I'm mad if I tell you I just saw these titties shake :o 8-X :angel:
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on January 08, 2012, 05:51:55 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on January 09, 2012, 03:21:30 PM
Okay, serious this time:
They customized the combat moves and possibilities a lot! Lots of different moves to choose from and of they also changed the keys to activate. Some basic fighting combos and keys haven't changed, so you do have some benefit of BM:AA experience. Also, the fighting situations are comparison, so there are not many surprises ^-^

All together, now that I'm beginning to manage the new fighting system a bit, I think the changes are for the best.
Some attack modes are easier to perform ('E' instead of 'lCtrl+RMB') but the amount had enormously increased. It seems that they have found logical combo's like e.g. the boost-grapple. Pressing space twice rapidly is easy to do when grappling through town. It feels all natural. Plus; when you aim right and boost-grapple where a thug is standing, you will instantly smack him down without extra button-pressing. Very cleaver ;)

So far no complaints, but to say that there are an awful lot of buttons to learn to manage. All the quicklaunch buttons for the gadgets, 'R', 'T', 'Y', damn it's gonna take time to get my 'fighting skills' back :-D

The open world way of moving through Arkham city is great. The open world aspect is real, and well thought out. Although the area isn't too big. But I can forgive them that, since it would be doable I guess to make it even bigger. Besides, the gameplay doesn't ask for more space. Well, as long as the Bat mobile doesn't get involved that is ;)
In fact, the first Batman was open world too, only there wasn't so much skillful moving outside which made it more like a collection of locations, free accessible through the Arhkam Asylum 'park'.
Besides that the side missions are well thought out and a pleasant extra imho.

I like the scene, the atmosphere of dark, sinister alleys and old A.A. Poe-like buildings. The gamesounds and the henchmen-talk makes it complete, and very recognizable. I like the fact that these Henchmen now can actually 'choose' for which badguy they wanna w@&k. I'll make them all run back to Joker at the end >:D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on January 09, 2012, 03:34:09 PM
I'm glad you are enjoying it, Binn  :-X

I agree with all you pointed out, it is a great game and I'm sure you won't be disappointed at all! As for the controls I customized some of them to make my life easier. Instead of double clicking 1,2,3,4, etc to quick fire gadgets I made it a single click so using those in combat are even faster.  ;) . Also I changed Y to antoer key so I can hit it easier too.

Looking forward to more impressions, mate! Enjoy Gotham.  >:D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on January 10, 2012, 06:55:38 AM
Lol, I didn't know I could customize controls. That's great news!!
Gonna do some of the same adjustments I guess, since 'q' seems still unbound and quite 'in reach' ;)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Fiach on January 10, 2012, 07:56:59 AM
its 19.50€ on green men gaming if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on January 10, 2012, 01:24:49 PM
I already tried to convince Art, which was a useless deed :-D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on January 10, 2012, 04:13:32 PM
Absolutely. That isn't just a game I'm not interested in. It is a game about and around stuff I absolutely despise.
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: fragger on January 11, 2012, 02:56:22 AM
Sounds like this game could be a much tougher sell than Portal2, Binn ;) I'd suggest another contest but something tells me there wouldn't be any winners this time :-D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on January 11, 2012, 08:29:17 AM
Same thought went through my mind Fragger :-D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on January 12, 2012, 11:59:27 AM
I have a contest for two particular people (who keep trying to convince a certain third person). The ingredients for the contest are:

One barrel big enough to put two people in at once

 and..

Extra-brutal genetically altered red fire ants to fill the space around said two people.
[smg id=3940 type=link align=center width=300 caption="Fire ants02"]

Anyone interested? I think we won't see any human winner in that contest, either.

  >:D

Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: PZ on January 12, 2012, 12:21:25 PM
My goodness, what a pain in the barse
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on January 12, 2012, 02:09:43 PM
Here's the requested Barrel:

[smg id=3943]

I hope the ant's size fits your imagination. If not, we can hire a bigger one, since Batman isn't afraid of anything >:D >:D >:D

Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: fragger on January 12, 2012, 02:41:44 PM
 :laugh: @ you guys!
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on January 12, 2012, 04:00:31 PM
 :laugh: :-X
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: fragger on January 13, 2012, 08:31:02 PM
Which is grammatically correct: two Batmans or two Batmen? ????
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on January 14, 2012, 01:41:32 AM
Maybe we should just say, two Batman wannabes :-D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Art Blade on January 14, 2012, 01:52:21 AM
I think both.

If a batman was something that usually only exists once, one of its type and kind, normally no more than one.. as if it wasn't really a man out of many men, then you'd regard it as a proper name (that happens to end in "-man" like talisman which correct plural isn't talismen but talismans) and just multiply it with an "s" as in batmans. So I think this sounds a bit awkward and just points out that you personally think "there can only be one" and make fun of that fact by calling more than one batman-s which is probably why you are wondering what to use :)

If batman was regarded as what he really is, a specific type of man of which there may exist more than one, then you'd say batmen just as you say henchman > henchmen.
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on February 07, 2012, 04:01:46 PM
Now that I'm done with all the things to do in the game, I'm reading all the content I missed so far about the Bat. Yesterday I read your rating, JRD, and today the first impressions. Had read some of it before I started, but I was far to excited about the game to keep reading all the posts. It was great though, reading through your detailed journal of Arkham City. I agree with all the different things you describe and it was great fun to follow your footsteps with my own memory at hand :-X :)
I too had difficulties with several henchmen with their damn shields and armours, and their knifes and, wow, these Rã's assassin babes are fast!!! I thought I would never manage these dodge tactics, let alone the combo takedown for these special knife attacks.
I also found the story somewhat confusing in the beginning, but had absolutely no problem with that, due to the entertaining gameplay. I love the riddler challenges. Damn smart things. I set myself to not 'cheat on the internet' to figure them out (funny how Riddler accuses you when you solve his riddles one by one ;))
I found it a relaxing way of further exploring the open world of Arkham. And these green henchmen that pooped up everywhere.... I can tell I was glad these didn't come back in the NG+. Had my belly full of green freaks on the streets  :-D
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Arcca on April 19, 2012, 08:21:01 AM
Hey guys! I know, it would seem like a weird request, but can anyone send me their save game file at 4%?
There's something wrong with the game, I cant get past 3%. Impossible to skip cutscene, where Batman get's filled with Jokers blood, and the game hangs after it.
I even tried to re-play from the beginning, and the same thing happens. :(
Help me, please?
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: PZ on April 19, 2012, 01:12:47 PM
Unfortunately I personally can't help because I'm not playing the game, but other OWG members might have a saved game.

All I can say is welcome to the site!  ;)
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: JRD on April 19, 2012, 06:18:15 PM
Hello Arcca and welcome to OWG.

I don't have my gaming PC at the moment and even if I had it's not working properly. I should take it to the shop for some maintenance but it can take several weeks now, sorry mate.

There's another member who also plays B:AC, Binnatics, who might help you out.

Have you tried also the official game site (http://community.batmanarkhamcity.com/)?

Good luck!
Title: Re: Batman: Arkham City - first impressions
Post by: Binnatics on April 20, 2012, 07:54:34 AM
Arcca, welcome!!!

First of all, I guess I'll have to disappoint you as well. I don't have savegames present since I deleted the game after completing it (using a SSD and it occupies like 20Gb of space, and I DID play it enough already ;))
Second, I'm afraid a savegame wouldn't help you out since this is connected to your Games for Windows Live ID, which might prevent you from loading another savefile, but I'm not sure about that.

I would also suggest to visit the official game site and see if you can find answers or savegames there. Good luck. If you can't find any solution I can do a new install and play a bit (until after that cutscene) to see if it's possible for you to use it.

The best should be that you find out what's bothering your own install.  ;)