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Title: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: OWGKID on November 30, 2015, 10:27:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_7EhU5Y59M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_7EhU5Y59M)  :laugh:
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Binnatics on November 30, 2015, 01:39:40 PM
 :laugh: :-X

That guy is hilarious :-()
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Art Blade on November 30, 2015, 06:43:00 PM
 :-D :-X
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on December 01, 2015, 08:04:23 AM
I liked the rocket to the knee on that one chick, though his commentary style leaves a lot to be desired. Shut up already.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Art Blade on December 01, 2015, 10:57:04 AM
 :-D I found the way he commented actually funny albeit I don't think I would want to listen to it for much longer than the length of that vid. :-()
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: OWGKID on December 03, 2015, 03:46:29 AM
Quote from: Dweller_Benthos on December 01, 2015, 08:04:23 AM
I liked the rocket to the knee on that one chick...

"I used to be an adventurer like you, but then, I took a rocket to the knee"  :-D
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: mandru on December 03, 2015, 06:12:56 AM
Rocket to the knee?

I came across a comment made by a FO4 player who enjoyed the fact that "If you target one of a Deathclaw's legs until it is shot off, it collapses immobilizing it so that you can have some fun taunting it."  ::)
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on December 03, 2015, 07:58:46 AM
I'll have to try that, once I get to a point where I can fight a deathclaw, right now my tactics are to run away very fast.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 03, 2015, 08:49:30 AM
Having the proper weapon sure is helpful to your longevity.  I'm using the super sledge still, and in the animations, noticed that it appears to be somewhat rocket or jet propelled when you take a swing.

Went into a facility filled with synths and when swinging, took off limbs, heads, etc. - sometimes even smashing them completely.

The fun part is that the weapons are so different from one another that you can have endless fun experimenting
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: KingRat on December 11, 2015, 08:53:12 AM
I have Cait setup with Hot Pink power armor and the upgraded super sledge. I also gave her a shotgun that doesn't need ammo and I give her all the grenades...needless to say, her armor needs a lot more repair than mine when we return to base  ;)
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 11, 2015, 09:12:01 AM
cool  :-X

I gabe Piper a sniper rifle and she did not want to use it, but I suspect that she does not have ammo
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: KingRat on December 11, 2015, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: PZ on December 11, 2015, 09:12:01 AM
cool  :-X

I gabe Piper a sniper rifle and she did not want to use it, but I suspect that she does not have ammo

I really don't know if Cait is using the one I gave her or her default double barrel, but she never runs out of ammo although she does ask for some every now and then. My own favorite is a shotgun that shoots exploding rounds and does AoE damage. On the Xbone I took the 'lone wanderer' perk and travel with dogmeat since he doesn't count as a companion with that perk.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 12, 2015, 10:17:05 AM
So, if dogmeat doesn't count as a companion, can you travel with him and another companion?
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: mandru on December 12, 2015, 11:37:47 AM
Dogmeat is a companion and can't be used when you are hooked up with one of the other companions.

I've seen spots in videos where Dogmeat first has to be released and sent away to one of his retrieval points (typically the Red Rocket station where you first met him) before the player can ask another companion to join up with them.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: KingRat on December 12, 2015, 07:23:15 PM
Quote from: PZ on December 12, 2015, 10:17:05 AM
So, if dogmeat doesn't count as a companion, can you travel with him and another companion?

He doesn't count with that perk(lone wanderer), if you switch to another companion you lose the buffs.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 12, 2015, 10:54:17 PM
I see... thanks - I'll need to apply a mod to travel with more than one companion  >:D
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: mandru on December 14, 2015, 08:46:37 PM
PZ, This is somewhat off topic but I wanted to ask you what graphics card are you using to play FO4?

I couldn't remember if we were still using the same GPU.  I'm playing on a Nvidia GTX 680 and I'm not sure if it has the guts to push FO4 at a playable frame rate.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 15, 2015, 08:44:17 AM
I'm using a GTX 980 currently and the nVidia app automatically set the game to maximum on all settings and am getting smooth as silk frame rates at a resolution of 2560x1440 and 144hz refresh with G-Sync

Here's a link to hardware requirements

http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=5013&game=Fallout%204 (http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=5013&game=Fallout%204)

The official Fallout 4 system requirements call for a GeForce GTX 550 Ti with 2GB of VRAM for 1280x960, minimum setting, 30 FPS gameplay,
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: mandru on December 15, 2015, 06:25:43 PM
Thanks PZ.

I'm setting up for an overhaul and upgrade on my system but the additional $650 for an EVGA Nvidia 980 (that has good enough reviews to even consider) is a pretty big bite.  With the jump to 16 GB Ram that's going to be installed I'd meet minimum but it would be a far cry from running any of the recent games at max levels.

I'll need to see what I can swing.  :-X
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: OWGKID on December 16, 2015, 02:29:03 AM
You can get a R9 390 for almost half the price of a GTX 980 ;) It has twice the amouth of VRAM too (8GB)
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: mandru on December 16, 2015, 08:35:55 AM
I appreciate the suggestion GKID7891, thanks.  However I'm not a big fan of AMD.

Ive had two systems that were AMD CPU and GPU based and they were the shortest lived, hottest running, and lowest performance computers that I've ever been burdened with.  I would say that they worked better as space heaters than computers if either of them (while running Myst  ??? ) could have lasted longer than a 20 minutes run time without a thermal crash.  In both of those earlier systems I had to pull the sides of the towers off and aim a 20 inch box fan running at high directly into them to achieve that 20 minute mark.

Fooled me twice, right?


I guess it's kind of a parallel to the age old Ford or Chevy argument.  While I know that Nvidia has regularly lied about the specs and performance of their GPUs (to fire up the fanboys and get them to dig into their wallets) my purchases of their products have always treated me better than the AMD components I've encountered.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 16, 2015, 09:05:59 AM
I don't have any experience with any graphics hardware other than nVidia - my first gaming rig sported a GTX295 (D_B and I were among the first on OWG to use them way back then) and the 980 is only my second, so the 295 lasted from 2009 to 2015 which is when I built the new rig (mainly due to GKID's prodding - thanks GKID)

My current rig is so quiet that I don't even hear it running despite a myriad of fans.  Interestingly, Fallout4 is less of a chore for the GPU than GTA5, with the fans hardly spinning at all and little warmth as evidenced by the monitoring apps.  I'm not sure if I am just lucky, but I've not experienced any problem with Fallout4 other than the vertical sync problem due to a monitor with too high a refresh rate.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: OWGKID on December 16, 2015, 10:37:40 AM
Quote from: mandru on December 16, 2015, 08:35:55 AM
I appreciate the suggestion GKID7891, thanks.  However I'm not a big fan of AMD.
My purchases of Nvidias products have always treated me better than the AMD components I've encountered.

No problem :) I'm happy with my MSI Radeon R9 290 so far. I guess it is a common habit for most people, to not buy any new products from a manufacturer they had some bad experiences with in the past.

Nvidia will release new GPUs based on a 16 nm chip and HBM2 memory next year. You could save your money for one of those cards or get a new card if you can't wait  :-()
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Binnatics on December 16, 2015, 12:32:49 PM
I also had a bad experience with AMD products. Basically, I had the idea my rig was cursed. Whatever I did there was something weird going on. And I had two AMD GPU's who went bonkers after a year. I still have some screenies of the weirdest artifacts in GTA with these cards. When I switched back to nVidia, all of that was over.

I think the biggest problem with AMD products is that the support in drivers and game design is poor. So it is most likely you get bugs with AMD, while nVidia cards usually have less trouble with new games.

PZ, the skihigh price of the GTX295 made me into buying AMD cards. First I had the double GPU HD4890, then the single GPU HD5780. Both died within a year. But the HD4890 gave me tho most joy in anticipation. There was a special offer on my favorite hardware store. It was a window sale. So I bought the card before I put the rest of the rig together. Only half a year later I put it into my newly put together machine. Which was dedicated to play GTA IV basically. I was so impressed by the cards physical appearance that I held it like a treasure in my locker until I had the rest of the rig delivered :-D
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 16, 2015, 12:47:13 PM
lol, good story, Binn!

I'm still using that 295 in my old rig, which I still use via remote desktop.  I never experienced any graphics problems in anything I did/played on that old PC
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Binnatics on December 16, 2015, 12:58:56 PM
We in Holland have a saying; "Goedkoop is duurkoop". Litteraly it means "Good-buy is expensive-buy". But goedkoop is our 'common' word for 'cheap'. So it is a commonly known expression to say that if you buy something cheap, usually you spend more in the end than when you buy something expensive.

I was lucky though, buth my AMD cards were replaced by the retailer because they failed on me within 2 years. My second replacement turned out to be the GTX570, a marvellous card that gave me many hours of joy :)

Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 16, 2015, 01:16:54 PM
Our saying is almost exactly the same: "the cheap comes out expensive"
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Art Blade on December 17, 2015, 07:45:24 AM
here a local dialect saying goes, "wat nix kost, dat is nix" -- something that does not cost anything is not worth anything. :)
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 17, 2015, 10:19:46 AM
Just goes to show you, "cheap" is a universal language.

I remember when I was a kid, anything made in Japan was considered junk.  Today Japanese products are trusted as much if not more than domestic products, and I can attest to that.  I've always had problems with Chrysler products, and my last truck was a Cummins Ram - leaked rain into the cab from day one (soaked the carpets if left out). I now have a newer Cummins Ram, and it has already been into the shop for three recalls. If not for the industrial diesel, I'd never have purchased another one.

Ever since the 1980's I've also had Japanese cars (Nissan, Honda, Subaru) - not a lick of trouble other than general maintenance.

Now, China is the new Japan - nothing but junk and pollution comes out of China.  Their pollution is even reaching the west coast of the US.  A few years ago I purchased LED Christmas lights from Costco, and bulbs that should last 50,000 hours lasted one season.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Art Blade on December 17, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
well, if it was one season with just a tad over 50,000 hours.. :-D
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on December 18, 2015, 05:37:35 AM
Quote from: PZ on December 17, 2015, 10:19:46 AM
Now, China is the new Japan - nothing but junk and pollution comes out of China.  Their pollution is even reaching the west coast of the US.  A few years ago I purchased LED Christmas lights from Costco, and bulbs that should last 50,000 hours lasted one season.

Not to mention the amount of lead that's in them, yeah.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 18, 2015, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: Art Blade on December 17, 2015, 11:36:00 PM
well, if it was one season with just a tad over 50,000 hours.. :-D

Indeed - 60 days x approximately 4 hours per evening is only 240 hours and doesn't even come close unless of course the Chinese hour is measured differently  :-()
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Art Blade on December 18, 2015, 10:50:35 AM
well -- we all have got a history but we also know that the Chinese have got a very long history. :-D
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 19, 2015, 10:44:28 AM
Perhaps their measure of the 60-minute hour is inversely proportional to the length of their history.  :-()
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Art Blade on December 19, 2015, 08:49:05 PM
so it would take several hours reading just this one line. ??? :-()
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 19, 2015, 09:08:31 PM
YES!  We'd need to do a study on exactly how many Chinese hours would be required - took even longer to write it

Something like 50,000 hours to read the average short story :-()
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Art Blade on December 20, 2015, 02:27:02 AM
 :-D

imagine the consequences. For instance, shaving. You'd never get a close shave because the beard would grow back faster than you could shave it off :laugh:
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on December 20, 2015, 10:26:58 AM
 :laugh:

I guess that is why so many Chinese art and photos depict men with long white beards
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Art Blade on December 20, 2015, 04:38:27 PM
Indeed :)

Confucius say: Man who cut self while shaving, lose face. :-D
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: fragger on December 20, 2015, 07:23:51 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Art Blade on December 21, 2015, 08:33:16 AM
 ^-^

I was just trying to imagine hunger and eating, with those Chinese hours in mind.

Confucius say: All men eat, but Fu Manchu. :-D
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: mandru on February 21, 2016, 04:55:09 PM
How to play Fallout 4?  ????   I'd suggest starting with a big bottle of horse tranquilizers if you don't have a previously established Steam account.

In spite of all my reservations about Steam we bought FO4 today.  :)

I was anxious to get FO4 up and running but to make sure everything on my end was ready for the install I accessed Steam to create a new account that would be linked to the name mandru and my associated email spam trap account.  I'd decided to save time and let my old abandoned Steam account stay dead rather than hassle with resurrecting it through the Steam Support Staff in order to start with a clean slate.  At least that was what I thought at the time.

Silly me, right?

Step #1 create new account - easy enough and done.
Step #2 download and install Steam - spent five minutes tops and done
Step #3 on completion of the install there was a check box to Launch Steam.exe - it seemed like a good idea but this is where the happy train flew off the rails and into the Devil's sewage pretreatment plant.  :D

Setting up my user account I wasn't able to simply use my name as mandru as it was too short so I tried something else easily remembered and I also had a password in mind that would be easy for me to remember.  On submitting my selections I received an email notice congratulating me on joining Steam but when I went to the download and install portion of this task that part went well but on launching Steam I was asked for the username and password I'd set up mere moments before and I was informed that the information entered was incorrect.

I know damn dead certain that there was no error in my entry.  I keyed and re-keyed the correct username and pass several more times only to be met invariably with the message that it was my error not theirs.  >:((

That's when I clicked the "I forgot my password link" (even though I hadn't) which sent me another email with a User re-verification link.  I keyed in the exact same info once more which the system once again accepted but when I returned to the Steam login page it still failed my attempts to login.  Next I submitted a Support Team request a few hours ago to get this mess straightened out so I can start my installation of FO4.  Infuriating!  The very same password and username will zip me right back into the Steam support team's login without a blink but I still can't access into Steam!

In the meantime I'm stuck here in the depths of what from my personal experience has been my long harbored memories of a Steam(y) purgatory awaiting solution for a problem that shouldn't even exist by a company that doesn't seem to care.  :'(

Who the hell needs aerobics to get their heart rate up to target?
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on February 22, 2016, 08:01:39 AM
Wow, you must have bad luck with Steam, always worked flawless for me, I know that doesn't help, but....

I do have some experience with Steam support, though. Back when I was on dialup, Steam would try to auto-update itself. This is fine, but on dialup, Steam doesn't think that's a fast enough connection. I would let it run literally hours, which even on dialup is enough time to download the ~80 MB or so for a Steam client update. I would have a network meter running to monitor how much data was received, and it would be in the hundreds of megabytes, but the auto-update monitor would show only 1 or 2% progress. A trip to Steam support would invariably return the reply "Too bad, get a faster connection", but of course, it would be much more polite. They never could explain to me why it was downloading hundreds of megabytes but never getting close to completion of a ~80MB download.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on February 22, 2016, 08:22:14 AM
Dang, mandru, I too have not had a problem even though I have a couple of Steam accounts due to my own ineptitude.

Have you tried your credentials in the browser version of Steam (i.e., the Steam site)? Might not make any difference, but at least you might feel better being able to log in somewhere.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: OWGKID on February 22, 2016, 09:10:22 AM
Steam support is almost non-existent (6 months to reply to tickets according to some users >:((), the PCMR community seems to praise EA for top notch tech support ;)
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Art Blade on February 22, 2016, 09:14:11 AM
I have never been in need of steam support so far. Sorry, no idea what went wrong there, mandru, but I certainly hope that you'll get it going soon.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: mandru on February 22, 2016, 09:16:31 AM
@ GKID  ???           Six freaking months?   :D

The old adage is "Lightening never strikes the same place twice".  We all know that is total hooey.  If something is hit once the odds are that it will be hit over and over.  The people who made up those old adages had very little actual understanding of physics.

The exact same username + pass has let me log into Steam support (now probably over 20 times) without fail but not into Steam's main login for their homepage.  So here I am over 18 hours later after filing a support request and still no resolution or even a reply for something so blasted trivial.  This really should be an easy fix and Steam's lack of response has pushed my opinion of Steam to an all time low.

So the question is now, do close out the existing support ticket and I keep on creating new user names and passwords until I'm able to find a working combination that sneaks in past Steam's ineptitude?
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Binnatics on February 22, 2016, 10:20:11 AM
Oh boy, I would certainly do so...

MandruManiac01
MandruManiac02
MandruManiac03... until they understand >:D
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: mandru on February 22, 2016, 10:37:28 AM
I get the idea.

mandru_steamhater01
mandru_steamsucks69
mandru_diesteamdie13


and so on.  >:((
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Binnatics on February 22, 2016, 10:43:46 AM
er, yes, that's the idea :-D
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: Art Blade on February 22, 2016, 06:08:49 PM
the moment the support team see a nick like that, they're likely going to "accidentally" close that ticket of yours with an angry smile. So I wouldn't do that. You can only get anywhere with them being patient and not aggressive (at least for starters) -- you can develop that kind of behaviour once a contact is established.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: fragger on February 22, 2016, 09:26:19 PM
I agree, better to be polite until they fix your problem, even though it grates, then put the boot in.

Things like this are why I hate online rego and activation :angry-new: Reminds me of the time I bought a physical copy of a game (can't remember which one exactly - might have been Modern Warfare 2) then had to wait two days to play it because Steam's official release date hadn't quite been reached, even though I had the disk in my hand and was raring to go :D

Sounds like there's some kind of clash happening with your old account details in the launch area of Steam, maybe it's an IP-related thing or something, I don't know much about how these things w@&k. Even though your username and password have changed, maybe it's also checking your IP address, seeing that it's the same as per your old account and that's causing a conflict. It shouldn't, though - should it? Like I said, I'm just stabbing in the dark. The fact that you can access Steam support but not the game installer/launcher indicates to me that there's some kind of lingering conflict with your old account.

Do you currently still have any other titles registered with Steam, such as Half-Life 2? Maybe that's a contributing factor.

In any case, sorry to hear about your hassles mandru, that stinks. Hope it gets sorted soon, I know how much you were looking forward to getting into FO4. One would think that it shouldn't be much of a prob for Steam to clean things up for you and start you off fresh.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: mandru on February 23, 2016, 05:30:43 AM
I went in starting from scratch and created a new account. I was able to get a second user name and pass to be accepted allow me to login on the Steam homepage.  Once that was accomplished I went back to the still unanswered support ticket and closed it.  By the time I was able to get that all wrapped up it was too late in the evening to start loading FO4 so I'll have to kick off that process a little later this morning.

Once I was logged in and setting up my account there was something about I had to give a browser a "friendly name" so I would recognize it among several other devices my Steam account would activate but I still have no idea what that was about.

In the Steam user agreement it says that once my account was created I'd be able to set preferences as to who I would allow Steam to share my contact info and identifying personal details with but I've torn all of the options up on site and can find nothing that allows me to muzzle that beast.  I guess it's good that I set Steam up to use my spam trap address for email.
Title: Re: How to play Fallout 4
Post by: PZ on February 23, 2016, 08:12:47 AM
One other thing that occurs to me when programs are failing in unusual ways - ports.  The Steam client requires certain ports, and firewalls plus other software can cause problems.  Here's a link to things to try in case anyone else develops issues.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1456-EUDN-2493