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Title: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: fragger on March 25, 2012, 03:50:34 AM
I particularly like some of the diamond case locations where there is a tableau of some sort hinting at some past drama. Like the one NE of the GP which in turn is NE of the Mine in Bowa-Seko. There's a pit that's been dug and a couple of dead mercs lying around, suggesting that they've been about to bury the case but got ambushed before they could do it (their shovels are still stuck in the ground at the rim of the pit). Then there's a few instances where you can follow a trail of blood on the ground and find the poor pathetic sod who was wounded and was trying to crawl away with his precious diamonds but didn't make it. Stuff like that :-X
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: Art Blade on March 25, 2012, 04:42:26 AM
What I remember of that watchtower was the way getting there held a surprise for me.. a merc with a rocket launcher patrolling the path near the river (on the "other" side where the watchtower is located). I didn't expect him in the least and man, did he give me a start  ??? :-D
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: fragger on March 25, 2012, 04:46:58 AM
 :-D
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: nexor on March 25, 2012, 05:25:39 AM
In all the play throughs i have never been on the other side of the river, thanks PZ    :-X
i'm going there now     
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: mandru on March 25, 2012, 05:47:02 AM
Traveling away from that blood and bone pit diamond case in S.E. Bowa mentioned by TheStranger and going up the draw to the next closest diamond case which is located at the big baobab tree with the glider caught in its branches there's the dead merc with his treasure where he had fallen to his death underneath it.  After arriving up on the level the baobab sits on and moving towards it there's another puzzling detail one of the developers tossed in.  There's a shovel out in the middle of nowhere with no clues to why it would be there standing up all by itself stuck in the ground.

I've always wondered if it's another piece of random weirdness or if I'm missing something significant.  :-\\
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: Art Blade on March 25, 2012, 05:07:38 PM
probably dropped off the glider before the crash landing  :-()
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on March 25, 2012, 08:13:08 PM
I always wonder when something appears on the landscape that you are not expecting.  Who knows, there may be more hidden gems like the one fragger recently found at the Polytechnic - the great vantage point from which to snipe all the mercs in the area.
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: TheStranger on March 26, 2012, 02:17:32 PM
Quote from: mandru  on March 25, 2012, 05:47:02 AM
Traveling away from that blood and bone pit diamond case in S.E. Bowa mentioned by TheStranger and going up the draw to the next closest diamond case which is located at the big baobab tree with the glider caught in its branches there's the dead merc with his treasure where he had fallen to his death underneath it.  After arriving up on the level the baobab sits on and moving towards it there's another puzzling detail one of the developers tossed in.  There's a shovel out in the middle of nowhere with no clues to why it would be there standing up all by itself stuck in the ground.

I've always wondered if it's another piece of random weirdness or if I'm missing something significant.  :-\\

Maybe he left the shovel so that when he came back with the glider and the case he could dig in the case. Or another guy left the shovel for him at that place as part of a deal - who knows?

The "stories" of the diamond cases add a great amount of atmosphere to the game in my opinion. Do you know any other story telling spots? Maybe this could be a thread of its own? :)

btw. I just want to start another playthrough with the new realistic weapons mod (didn't play that far with Quarbani). My fingers are itching and I want back to FC2, but first I have to do some exams - but afterwards I know a reward for me :) And I have to inspect closely my FC Collectors Edition Box which I got last autumn.
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on March 26, 2012, 03:38:54 PM
Good idea, TheStranger - now I have a reason to inspect those spots (and take pictures) to post in this CSI thread.  :-()

Enjoy your play through with the weapons mod.  I was just on the console using the AR16 with it's 3-shot burst limit - man I thought my weapon was broken after using the modded version on the PC!
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on March 26, 2012, 05:57:03 PM
Where is this crime scene?

Click for the map
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Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: Art Blade on March 26, 2012, 06:04:58 PM
 :lamp: :)

Spoiler
"behind" Weelegol, the whole road down to the bus stop shows signs of a massacre  :)
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on March 26, 2012, 07:40:41 PM
Kudos, AB!  :-X
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: Dweller_Benthos on March 27, 2012, 08:43:26 AM
I always liked the hang glider crash site as a good "diamond story". As for the one mentioned where the mercs are digging one up, or burying it, since the diamond is still there, my guess is that someone was either digging it up or hiding it and someone else came along and tried to relieve him of it, they both kill each other, leaving the hole, their bodies, and the diamond for you to find.
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: Art Blade on March 27, 2012, 01:19:59 PM
Cheers, PZ  :)

And yes, D_B, exactly what I had in mind when I saw that "crime scene"  :) :-X
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: TheStranger on March 30, 2012, 02:28:02 PM
Argh can't wait to start my new playthrough (actually a restart) and make some nice mercenary-tourist-photos ;)
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on March 30, 2012, 02:38:58 PM
Looking forward to your pics  ;)
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on April 06, 2012, 09:41:37 PM
Most of you likely know this location - the glider in the tree above a diamond case.  A question I had was where this glider might have come from.
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Going east past the safe house, you can find this glider
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Although my flight was short, I'm perhaps too heavy, or perhaps my flying skills are not what they should be.  Maybe the poor dead merc flying the glider that crashed in the tree made it a bit farther than I did.  :-()
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Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: fragger on April 07, 2012, 03:37:35 AM
Nice pics PZ, and cool idea :-X :) Is that the glider from near the Pipeline construction site?

Speaking of glider experiments, has anyone tried taking the glider from the lodge at Goka Falls and going back down the river on it instead of using it to get the nearby diamond? You can get an impressive distance downstream with it, almost all the way to that biggish riverside village with the dock. It's a fun flight but it's easy to get snagged and dumped by the riverside trees in places, so try and stay near the middle of the river.

Something else I want to try, now that I think of it: taking the glider from near the Railway Bridge in Bowa and seeing how far down the river I can get with it. Probably best to do it on a rainy or foggy night so as not to get shot down by the mercs at the riverside GP along the way, or by the sniper on the opposite bank. I've used that glider to get the diamond from on top of the rocks just past that GP (I've long since discovered that I don't need the glider for that) and I still had a good dollop of altitude at that point. I can't try it yet as I'm still in Leboa on my first 'thru since my PC rebuild and all my previously saved games died with the old hard drive. If anyone else is in a position to try it, or has already, I'd be interested to know how far you can get, or did get.
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: fragger on April 07, 2012, 04:50:30 AM
I've often wondered about this one, near the Weapon Shop in SW Leboa:

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Why is there a sledgehammer lying on the ground near him? The murder weapon? Doesn't seem to be any other reason for it to be there - there's nothing else there to use it on except the car wreck, which incidentally looks way older than the body. The body still has flesh on it and isn't a skeleton, while the car is an ancient, rusted-out, wheel-less hulk, so the bloke doesn't appear to have been the victim of an ambush or about to use the car for a fast getaway of some sort.

And if this is the body of a guy who was sledgehammered for his diamond case, why is the case still there, unopened? Or did someone shoot him and then try to use the sledgehammer to get the case open, but couldn't? Which doesn't make sense, seeing as how you can just open the case when you find it. And why would someone be carrying around a gun and a sledgehammer? And why not try to shoot the lock off the case, instead of hammering away at it? Maybe the sledgehammer-wielder was just an imbecile (duh, I can't get dis open...)

Or maybe the dead guy was the thick-headed sledgehammer user. There's no blood visible, so maybe he stupidly tried to bash his way into an already unlocked case until he tossed his sledgehammer at it in a fit of pique, collapsed and died from a deadly combination of heatstroke, exhaustion and crankiness.

Interestingly, there's another car wreck just a stone's throw away from this one, in a similar condition. Related?

Curious scene, Watson...
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: mandru on April 07, 2012, 07:03:20 AM
I'd lamented that we were unable to pick up and use those sledgehammers scattered around in FC2.  :-\\

It wasn't until I played AC:R (another UBI game) where Templar guards on the rooftops use the same sledges to tear down Assassin zip lines that I was able to kill guards and take their sledges.  >:D
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: TheStranger on April 07, 2012, 08:57:18 AM
Quote from: fragger on April 07, 2012, 03:37:35 AM
Speaking of glider experiments, has anyone tried taking the glider from the lodge at Goka Falls and going back down the river on it instead of using it to get the nearby diamond?

Sure and the canyon reminds of the one at Dogon village which has a similar "flight route". Don't know how often I crashed here.  ;D

Quote from: fragger on April 07, 2012, 04:50:30 AM
I've often wondered about this one, near the Weapon Shop in SW Leboa:

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Or maybe the dead guy was the thick-headed sledgehammer user. There's no blood visible, so maybe he stupidly tried to bash his way into an already unlocked case until he tossed his sledgehammer at it in a fit of pique, collapsed and died from a deadly combination of heatstroke, exhaustion and crankiness.

Interestingly, there's another car wreck just a stone's throw away from this one, in a similar condition. Related?

Curious scene, Watson...

I tend to that theory too, because it seems to be the most likely one. and I would have posted it exact that way.

In the next days I will also post some crime scenes ;)
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on April 07, 2012, 10:17:03 AM
@fragger - thanks, and yes, that's the pipeline glider.  You make good points about the crime scene - there must be some really stupid criminals to have missed the diamond case  :-()

@mandru - I never noticed that the rooftop guards would take down zip lines!
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: mandru on April 07, 2012, 11:55:57 AM
Back @ PZ  ;D

They don't actually take them down but on the West side of the map there's a few posted near the top end of a zip line and they're whacking halfheartedly on the support posts with the sledges.  You can hear the whacks from quite a ways away to alert you there's one in the area.

In fact while establishing the South Eastern Assassin den Leader (first of two missions) the game takes you right to one of these rooftop sledge bearers.  The assigned den leader you are escorting to speak to the community leader who is bribing the merchants at the market to favor the Stewards (Templars in disguise) will stop to fight with that Templar if you don't kill him first.  ;)
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on April 07, 2012, 09:19:19 PM
Ah, I see... I've played FC2 through a couple of more times now, and am almost ready to go back into AC - one of the good things about becoming old is that the memory of past plays through fades quickly  :-()
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: mandru on April 08, 2012, 04:45:27 AM
That's funny PZ, I get the exact opposite.  :-\\

It's the important things that I can't keep track of because of all the insignificant trivia that keeps clamoring for all the attention.  ???
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on April 08, 2012, 12:14:54 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: nexor on April 09, 2012, 09:30:24 AM
Quote from: PZ on April 06, 2012, 09:41:37 PM
Most of you likely know this location - the glider in the tree above a diamond case.  A question I had was where this glider might have come from.
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I would think it came from the nearby safe house, he probably tried to do a night flight and didn't see the Baobab tree in the dark or misjudged it's hight.

A very interesting article about the Baobab tree
Spoiler
Many African people refer to the Baobab tree as the "Tree of life", or the "Upside down tree".
A single tree can hold up to 4,500 litres of water, fibres from the bark can be turned into rope and cloth.
Fresh leaves are often eaten to boost the immune system,
and some hollowed-out trunks have been used to provide shelter for as many as 40 people.
And then, of course, there's the fruit. Baobabs can grow up to 30m high and their trunks can be up to 15m around.
One ancient tree in Zimbabwe is so large that 40 people can shelter inside.
Others have been turned into shops, prisons, bus shelters and bars.
The baobab fruit has three times as much vitamin C as an orange,
50 per cent more calcium than spinach and is a plentiful source of anti-oxidants,
those disease-fighting molecules credited with helping reduce the risk of everything from cancer to heart disease.
Until recently, this super-fruit was off limits to British consumers, 
But now the baobab fruit has won approval from EU food regulators.
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on April 09, 2012, 10:24:45 AM
That's interesting information about the Baobab tree  :-X
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: fragger on April 09, 2012, 07:10:21 PM
I never knew they produce fruit - interesting :-X

They also have amazing life spans. Some are estimated to be over 2,000 years old!
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: Art Blade on April 09, 2012, 07:15:49 PM
I want to eat one of those trees now :-D
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: nexor on April 10, 2012, 05:13:25 AM
We have some pretty big ones here, like this one......

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This is what it looks like from the outside....

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This is what it looks like from the inside

An article about this tree
Spoiler
This amazing tree is located in Limpopo, South Africa and it was transformed into a bar to keep the thirsty locals happy. But now more than 7000 tourists visit this place every year. The bar is inside a 155feet circumference baobab tree, with its own cellar and natural ventilation system. It takes about 40 people with their arms stretched to grasp the whole thing and the owner says one time he threw a party and managed to fit 54 people inside, although he doesn't think he'll ever do that again.
But the most impressing thing about this baobab is that, according to scientists, it's about 6.000 years old, older than most of the pyramids in Egypt. It actually makes this tree-bar the oldest living organism on the planet!
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: fragger on April 10, 2012, 06:37:46 AM
Impressive tree 8) :-X

I bet when it first germinated it never imagined it would grow up to be a pub!

Over-indulge in there and you could later say you got drunk in a trunk :-()
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on April 10, 2012, 10:20:28 AM
I half expected to see a hang glider in the branches.  ????
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: TheStranger on April 11, 2012, 08:08:25 AM
Very interesting information about the baobab tree  :-X

So and here are some new crime scenes, which I found (and photographed) during my current tour:

Erm how can I attach screenshots? :'( Usually I don't ask such questions  :angel:
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on April 11, 2012, 09:36:44 AM
Questions are always welcome, else members might be missing out on easy ways to do things.  You can upload your screenshots by clicking the Media button in the menu bar at the top, and then choose the Screencaps folder - look for the upload link.  Once the file is uploaded, you'll see some embed code on the page that looks something like this:

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Simply copy that code into a post and it will automatically appear.  You can do the same for multiple images.
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: Art Blade on April 12, 2012, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: fragger on April 10, 2012, 06:37:46 AMgot drunk in a trunk :-()

:laugh:
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: TheStranger on April 12, 2012, 12:01:31 PM
So I stumbled about a few more murder cases in Leboa-Sako (sorry I forgot the map for the exact locations, but I will take them in in future posts ;))


Case Nr. 1.:

Location: Eastern region in Leboa.

Time: Dunno

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No visible murder weapon, maybe a bullet or or the environment was used (rocks etc.)


Case Nr.: 2

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Location: North of Mokuba.

Time: Maybe afternoon

Like in case 1 no visible weapon even no blood stains - so maybe Ezio ( ;D). Seriously I don't know what he could have died from, maybe a stroke or something?


Case Nr.: 3

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Location: SE region maybe border to eastern region in Leboa.

Time: Morning but already too hot

Here we have to funny weapons which could have been used:

1. A rusty metal can (in the shadows)
2. A flip-flop (wtf :laugh:)

Maybe someone could help me solving these mysterious cases?


And I saw two other victims, but I think these cases are really old  :-D

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But I don't know if our department is also responsible for animal murder? Maybe there would be lots of w@&k to do if we would investigate every case  ;D

Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: Art Blade on April 12, 2012, 12:32:11 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on April 12, 2012, 12:01:31 PM
Case Nr.: 2Like in case 1 no visible weapon even no blood stains - so maybe Ezio ( ;D). Seriously I don't know what he could have died from, maybe a stroke or something?

I see the tape recorder there.. it was the murder weapon. He had to listen to the "Boot" tape all day long until he died from it.  :-D
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on April 12, 2012, 12:58:57 PM
Quote from: Art Blade on April 12, 2012, 12:32:11 PM
I see the tape recorder there.. it was the murder weapon. He had to listen to the "Boot" tape all day long until he died from it.  :-D

:laugh: :-X

Good post, TheStranger  :-X

I'll try my hand at a bit of analysis  :-()
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: TheStranger on April 12, 2012, 02:44:36 PM
Quote from: Art Blade on April 12, 2012, 12:32:11 PM
I see the tape recorder there.. it was the murder weapon. He had to listen to the "Boot" tape all day long until he died from it.  :-D

Hahahaha great  :laugh:
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on April 12, 2012, 03:19:04 PM
Case #1

The blood trail leads to the body from under the front end of the vehicle.  Perhaps this poor fool lifted the car using a jack to hide the diamond case beneath, the car fell on him, and he managed to drag himself a meter or so before he completely collapsed.  This also explains why the diamond is still there - he was not murdered.

A case of accidental death caused by foolish behavior - never jack a car in the sand.
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on April 12, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
Case #3 (I'll skip #2 because Art already did the analysis)

Diamond is still there so I'm leaning toward accidental death again.

I believe this poor chap was stumbling through the desert hungry and thirsty because he was avoiding the roads (didn't want his diamond stolen).  Consequently he became lost and was starting to starve when he chanced upon the rusty can which reminded him how starved he really was.  He ravenously plucked one of his sandals out of his pack and ate it.  The resulting bowel obstruction did him in.

The moral of the story - rubber is not digestible and offers no nutritive value.
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: nexor on April 13, 2012, 12:49:52 AM
Quote from: PZ on April 12, 2012, 03:24:25 PM

The moral of the story - rubber is not digestible and offers no nutritive value.

:laugh:  there's no hope for any of us........ ::)
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: fragger on April 13, 2012, 02:49:16 AM
 :laugh: Art and PZ

This is fun and entertaining, guys 8) :-X Nice post TheStranger, love to see some more :)

The flip-flop murder is worthy of Sherlock Holmes ???? I'm trying to figure out some way of offing someone with a tin can and a rubber shoe. Purely as a hypothetical exercise, you understand...
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: PZ on April 13, 2012, 09:49:44 AM
Quote from: fragger on April 13, 2012, 02:49:16 AM
The flip-flop murder is worthy of Sherlock Holmes ???? I'm trying to figure out some way of offing someone with a tin can and a rubber shoe. Purely as a hypothetical exercise, you understand...

:laugh:
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: mandru on April 14, 2012, 08:25:50 AM
Maybe the underground hired a ninja to do some dirty w@&k for them.   ;)
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: TheStranger on April 14, 2012, 03:00:08 PM
Quote from: mandru  on April 14, 2012, 08:25:50 AM
Maybe the underground hired a ninja to do some dirty w@&k for them.   ;)

This makes sense. The underground must have many ninjas fighting for them or did you ever see one of them fighting against the APR or UFLL? Did you ever see one? Thatswhy there must be ninjas...many ninjas  :-D
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: Jim di Griz on July 04, 2012, 02:40:12 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on April 14, 2012, 03:00:08 PM
This makes sense. The underground must have many ninjas fighting for them or did you ever see one of them fighting against the APR or UFLL? Did you ever see one? Thatswhy there must be ninjas...many ninjas  :-D
:laugh: that would explain those random cries of pain in the night and otherwise inexplicable deaths of mercs who are trying to get you - I've seen them suddenly fall over and die - gotta be Ninjas  :-X

Quote from: fragger on April 07, 2012, 04:50:30 AM
...Why is there a sledgehammer lying on the ground near him? The murder weapon? Doesn't seem to be any other reason for it to be there...Curious scene, Watson...
I think it fell from another glider - poor chap just happened to be in the wrong spot at the wrong time  ;)
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: fragger on July 05, 2012, 03:58:37 AM
 :laugh: That'd cause a headache...

Here's another curious scene, on the road heading west from the bus stop in SW Bowa:

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Looks like the Magical Mystery Tour from hell :-()
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: Art Blade on July 05, 2012, 11:25:18 AM
Nothing magical about that. Those are the guys who lost the competition I started: Who can eat the hottest BBQ sauce on the planet. Writing these lines I do prove that I am still alive.  :-()
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: fragger on July 06, 2012, 03:43:42 AM
You're definitely a survivor, mate :-()

Quote from: Art Blade on July 05, 2012, 11:25:18 AM
Those are the guys who lost the competition I started: Who can eat the hottest BBQ sauce on the planet.

Gone with the wind...
Title: Re: Crime scene forensics - diamond case mysteries
Post by: Art Blade on July 06, 2012, 07:11:49 AM
 :laugh: