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Navigating the galaxy
« on: September 09, 2016, 08:33:58 AM »
 

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Whenever I got my loadout fully built and ready and when I finished the Atlas path, I decided to go for the centre. I remember being disappointed with the amount of space that a black hole would bring me towards the centre so was already hoping for even more powerful ways of travelling when Art told me that he could, with his maxed out hyperdrive, easily make jumps with a distance of 1000 light years, so I figured that should be the best way of travelling known to us so far.
I started aiming for the giant distant star, that looks as if it's the centre of a star-system in the distance. There's only one of these huge lights in the galaxy so I thought that this must be the core. When I later checked the distance I had won towards the core it wasn't much more than 200 light years, while I had made a jump with a linear distance of close to 1400 light years. apparently it is not the centre :-D
So I tried different direction, using the bright light ball as a 'compass' of some kind. Think of it as the North pole; I tried travelling to the North-West, and the North-East. Both didn't make a difference when checking the result toward galaxy centre. Hmmm. Let's try going up a bit; North-Up and North-Down even got me a worse progress of something like 30 lightyears, whilst still traveling with steps of 1400 light years each. Strange! I couldn't find any logic behind this but I did find out that somehow the galaxy wants you not to look up or down. Whenever I navigate away from the basic 'disc' in which the giant light ball is North, the game tends to bend me back towards the original 'disc' as soon as I select a star. Some sort of auto-equilibrium making sure you don't forget what's up and what's down. Since navigating towards up and down gives you even smaller progress towards the core, I imagine the galaxy being a giant disc, instead of what I had expected, I giant ball.
Anyway; I started following the yellow 'path towards the centre' to see if this would get me any closer in a somewhat more reasonable way. Despite being far from a linear line in a single direction, it does take me towards the centre. One 'step' more than the other and sometimes even almost nothing, but it does give me little progress. It won't get any better than following a straight line to the North-West or North-East though, sometimes even worse. So; what's the logic behind all this? :-\\
I have no clue. The only logic I could extract from this info, is that for now the best way to travel large distances is taking the black-hole-bus :-()
However, doing so even scrambled more logic I thought to have found in this universe; when completing a black hole jump, the game tells you how far your warp has brought you; that usually lays somewhere between 200000 light years and 1200000 light years. wtf :knockout
That means I overshot the galaxy core like 20 times. Imagine; the galaxy core is currently at a distance of 170000 lightyears, you take a black hole, and you travel 10 times that distance. And then you find yourself at 168500 light years from the galaxy core!!
I must've been driving circles instead of taking the shortcut, lol :o

So after trying to find logic behind the galaxy, the only logic I found is that there is no logic. The only thing I know is that black holes will give you the bigest progress towards the centre of the universe. Something like 1500 light years average. Nothing can beat that. I took around 70 now, and am currently at a distance of slightly less than 80000 light years from the core ;)
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Re: Navigating the galaxy
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2016, 11:13:41 AM »
 

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After writing this down I went for some exercise and thought the whole concept over once again. I couldn't believe it was so unlogic so I decided to do some more measurements.
Now I made sure I carefully moved in the following directions:
North (being the giant glowing star in the far distance, "core" from now on)
West (absolute left when looking towards the core)
East (absolute right when looking towards the core)
South (backwards while looking at the core)
Up (tilting the view as far up as you can; the game won't allow you to fully tilt 180 degrees, so you know you tilted 90 degrees when it stops)
Down (fully tilting downwards until you can't any farther, hence 90 degrees)

In all directions I tried to move more or less 1350 light years in a straight line from my starting point. Only moving up and down I overshot a bit, the points I went to were something like 1700 light years away.

DirectionDistance to starting pointdistance to coreprogress to core
North1,348.1 ly69246.8 ly337 ly
West1,378.6 ly69562.6 ly21 ly
East1,333.6 ly69582.7 ly1 ly
South1,410.7 ly69936.3 ly-353 ly
Up1,770.0 ly69582.7 ly1 ly
Down1,635.3 ly69584.6 ly-1 ly

These results show that the only real progress towards the core can be made by moving directly towards the light ball in the distance, what I call the core. Moving directly away from it (South) shows congress (oops :angel:) decline.
The fact that you do win or loose small distances when moving either West, East, Up or Down is likely caused by the fact that I always have to pick a star to have the game show me the distances from that point, and a star often is slightly away from the exact straight line. So I entitle these little value changes as negligible.

This doesn't explain why we only make 25% progress to the core compared to the real distance we travel using hyperdrive. But that value seems consistent.
It also doesn't explain why we have to travel somewhere between 200k ly and 1200 ly using black hole warp to come only 1,5k closer to the core, which is even less the 1% effectiveness towards the core. But at least we know now that the big light ball is the core and we have to go in that direction 8)
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2016, 02:45:56 PM »
 

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Nice bit of research Binn +1 :-X

I started on that course too, but I'm rapidly running out of steam. I've been following the path to the galactic core as far as I can before the path becomes too faint to see, then going into free-roam mode and trying to move in closer, staying on as true a path as I can to the bright core. I can get about a max of 1,600 light-years linear distance from my start point in one jump, but as you already discovered that equates to only about 300 light-years closer to the centre.

I've shaved off about 10,000 light-years, down to around 160,000 now, but it's a very tedious and time-consuming process, and I have a terrible feeling that it's not going to be worth very much for all the time put in, just a cutscene or a congratulatory message or something. I'd like to think I'm wrong, but the Atlas path turned out to be such a non-event that I don't hold out much hope.

I can't see anything strikingly new turning up either. Once you've got all the techs and done all the upgrades, gotten all the races' stories and done the Atlas path, I think that might be about it. You may be better off just playing with your ship, going for different ones and just exploring than spending hours jumping to the core. That's my gut feeling, anyway.

In fact, I may abandon the quest for the core altogether and just start from scratch - after a bit of a break. The most fun I have with this game is getting everything together. Once that's done, there's not a lot else to do as far as built-in game objectives go.
 

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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2016, 02:56:36 PM »
 

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I saw a post on Reddit that mentions getting to the core and what happens after. Spoilers, obviously.

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I could try to find the post if anyone is interested. From what I could tell, it was legit.
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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2016, 03:28:08 PM »
 

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I decided to read the spoiler. And I don't regret it. Thanks, D_B :) I'll take fragger's path, then :-D

And +1 :-X from me too, Binnatics, interesting read and nicely done :)

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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2016, 04:35:20 PM »
 

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I will wait with that spoiler D_B, I'm homing in already :-D Currently 50 light years from the core. If it is such a disappointment, let it be. I can handle it I guess :-()

I forgot to give you guys some important info regarding black holes:

Black hole discovered
Black hole discovered

This is what they look like. You can easily find them using free roam in the galaxy map. They are everywhere.

And this should be the core then (in the centre):

Galaxy Core
Galaxy Core
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Re: Navigating the galaxy
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2016, 05:58:32 PM »
 

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 :-X :)

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2016, 10:26:16 AM »
 

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Now I did read the spoiler. Well, it is true. But, there's a little more to it.

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 :)
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2016, 11:52:18 AM »
 

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Excellent. :-X :)

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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2016, 08:55:47 AM »
 

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Now I can say, "indeed, I know."  :-D

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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2016, 01:41:10 PM »
 

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Yes we are :)

And; Nice ship!!!
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cool. And thanks :)

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I moved on. I'm the new guy at Calypso's place. I hope that this Oedipussy guy has left the building, already :-D

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Calypso is remembered most for her role in Homer's Odyssey, in which she keeps the fabled Greek hero Odysseus on her island to make him her immortal husband.

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Nice info guys. I can say right now, I'll probably never get that far in the game.
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it's just a few jumps..

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it's just a few jumps..

 :-D That's like saying it's just a few miles from New York to Boston
 

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isn't it? (ambiguity intended)  :-D

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